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JHK I have gotten 6 tattoos on both my arms and they hurt alot less than JHK I got on my lower back.         if you’re still scarred, he put the ink in too deeply. also look for blowout as proof of this – ink blurring beyond where it should be.         tattoos hurt, but with the experience of six already, you should know the difference between "this body part hurts more" & "holy fuck, what the hell is he doing to me".         the smart thing to do would’ve been to stop him & finish with someone else. now all you can do is work on the scarring. see http://compunction.dyndns.org/healing.txt for methods. lish                                 "i can’t keep this up. it’s not in 40.1% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have gotten 6 tattoos on both my arms and they hurt alot less than the one I got on my lower back. The 6 tattoos that I got on my arms were done by one tattooist and the one on my lower back was done by another. After putting the stencil on my lower back of a lady on cross, the very first line was unbarerable, just above the crack of my ass. He used a 7 liner and had a very heavy touch. After he got the line drawing done I thought it was going to hurt less – Wrong. He then got out a 6 flat shader and put the color in – it hurt just as bad. He put in black, purple, red, green and blue from the crack of my ass to the middle back. After 3 and 1/2 hours I was glad it was over. It hurt so bad that I was sweating and shaking and had to bite my wallet to take the pain. He put the colors in deep and went over the same spots alot of time to get the colors in. A month later, the colors are dark and heavy and I still can feel the scar marks. After an experience like that, it really scares me to get another tattoo that hurts like that! The guy that did my 6 tattoos on my arms had a lite touch and felt like bee stings instead of a electric knife cutting through skin. I would go back to him but he’s in jail now. Kimo

I was with you all the way there, then those last five words made me PMSL. Ghostman.

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I have gotten 6 tattoos on both my arms and they hurt alot less than the one I got on my lower back. The 6 tattoos that I got on my arms were done by one tattooist and the one on my lower back was done by another. After putting the stencil on my lower back of a lady on cross, the very first line was unbarerable, just above the crack of my ass. He used a 7 liner and had a very heavy touch. After he got the line drawing done I thought it was going to hurt less – Wrong. He then got out a 6 flat shader and put the color in – it hurt just as bad. He put in black, purple, red, green and blue from the crack of my ass to the middle back. After 3 and 1/2 hours I was glad it was over. It hurt so bad that I was sweating and shaking and had to bite my wallet to take the pain. He put the colors in deep and went over the same spots alot of time to get the colors in. A month later, the colors are dark and heavy and I still can feel the scar marks. After an experience like that, it really scares me to get another tattoo that hurts like that! The guy that did my 6 tattoos on my arms had a lite touch and felt like bee stings instead of a electric knife cutting through skin. I would go back to him but he’s in jail now. Kimo —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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Greets, I’m getting ready to get a tattoo on my shoulder blade, and was curious what to expect- is a tattoo in this area usually done while you’re laying on your stomach, or while sitting up?  I’ve got some disc problems in my lower back that make sitting for any length of time w/o a backrest very uncomfortable. Thanks for any info…

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Greets, I’m getting ready to get a tattoo on my shoulder blade, and was curious what to expect- is a tattoo in this area usually done while you’re laying on your stomach, or while sitting up?  

It depends on the studio’s equiptment and the artist’s preference. You should call the artist who will be doing the work and ask how he/she usually works. My regular artist usually has his customers sit backwards on the chair and reclines it a bit so they can lean forward/lay against the back. Another guy in town has you lay on your side. One upper back tattoo I saw worked on in Chicago, the guy was sitting on a short stool and leaning/laying forward onto the dentist style chair. I would voice your concerns about positioning for the tattoo before-hand and work it out with the artist involved. good luck. —Angie a.k.a. dstrss "On second thought, I think I am more crazy than my goat." – Remedios Varo

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Greets, I’m getting ready to get a tattoo on my shoulder blade, and was curious what to expect- is a tattoo in this area usually done while you’re laying on your stomach, or while sitting up?  I’ve got some disc problems in my lower back that make sitting for any length of time w/o a backrest very uncomfortable. Thanks for any info…

Personally I work with them sitting back toward me….but most artist can work it out with you if you have a problem. talk to your choosen artist and work with them, it can be as simple as taking multiple breaks if need be. Rev

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I’m getting ready to get a tattoo on my shoulder blade, and was curious what to expect- is a tattoo in this area usually done while you’re laying on your stomach, or while sitting up?  I’ve got some disc problems in my lower back that make sitting for any length of time w/o a backrest very uncomfortable.

Just tell the tattooist and the two of you can work out a position that satisfies both his needs and your disk. It may be necessary to use cushions or pillows or some kind of auxiliary support, but fear not, your special requirements can (and will) be satisfied. — Skookums Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

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I had the occasion of having a physical a few days ago by what is best described as an insurance company doctor. Little did I know that they wanted an x-ray of my back right behind my navel. So I got undressed and put on the paper gown thing that they give you, and had no alternative but to remove my 1/2" 14 ga CBR with no pliers. It came out relatively easily and painlessly, and I thought nothing more of it until blood began to show on the paper gown. I looked at my underwear, and they were soaked on the front, all the while waiting for the doctor to come in any minute. I got the underwear off and wadded them up with my other clothes on the chair. Fortunately there was a sink and paper towels so that I could clean the blood off my skin. Amazingly, I got it clean before she came in. There was what looked like a small blood blister around the upper hole, and of course she wanted to know what that was. Not thinking too clearly by now, I said it was something the cat must have done! I was not interrogated further about it. Now I know that I should have told her that it was just a navel piercing, but it was not a very healthy looking one at the time. I got to put in a new curved barbell which looks and feels better, so it wasn’t an entirely unpleasant experience. I’m curious about how experiences others on r.a.b. have had with doctors. I can’t be the only one who has had negative or unusual experiences with doctors. — Blaine Hamrick Irving, Texas http://home1.gte.net/hamrick

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BH experience. I’m curious about how experiences others on r.a.b. have ha BH doctors. I can’t be the only one who has had negative or unusual exper         by the time word gets through reception about the metal-faced dreadlocked girl in the waiting room, the doctor’s already been primed for me. i haven’t had negative comments. i was once asked about breastfeeding; it’s an interesting paradigm shift to answer medical questions FROM your doctor. lish 31.6% / 25

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had the occasion of having a physical a few days ago by what is best described as an insurance company doctor. Little did I know that they wanted an x-ray of my back right behind my navel. So I got undressed and put on the paper gown thing that they give you, and had no alternative but to remove my 1/2" 14 ga CBR with no pliers. It came out relatively easily and painlessly, and I thought nothing more of it until blood began to show on the paper gown. I looked at my underwear, and they were soaked on the front, all the while waiting for the doctor to come in any minute. I got the underwear off and wadded them up with my other clothes on the chair. Fortunately there was a sink and paper towels so that I could clean the blood off my skin. Amazingly, I got it clean before she came in. There was what looked like a small blood blister around the upper hole, and of course she wanted to know what that was. Not thinking too clearly by now, I said it was something the cat must have done! I was not interrogated further about it. Now I know that I should have told her that it was just a navel piercing, but it was not a very healthy looking one at the time. I got to put in a new curved barbell which looks and feels better, so it wasn’t an entirely unpleasant experience. I’m curious about how experiences others on r.a.b. have had with doctors. I can’t be the only one who has had negative or unusual experiences with doctors. —

I think you have just pointed out how to make the experience less than positive. I answer their questions when they ask — after having seen the piercings.  It eh doctor can’t handle it, or wants to lecture me, it’s a new doctor for me.  But so far, that hasn’t had to happen. It’s always the way you handle the situation. Kavin

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I had the occasion of having a physical a few days ago by what is best described as an insurance company doctor.

i actually worked with a very cool plastic surgeon who liked to rib me for all my piercings and tattoos… he had a conference in philadelphia and during his lunch break, went down to 4th and south and went into infinite and asked if he could watch some piercings… he wanted to see how it was done so he could make repairs if a person didn’t want his piercings anymore… he was interested in the really large stretched things… i think that shows alot of respect for people and their preferences because he wants to provide the best care possible… — micehell (aka fuckbait) http://iam.bmezine.com/?micehell http://www.geocities.com/amicehell Before you buy.

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I had the occasion of having a physical a few days ago by what is best described as an insurance company doctor. Little did I know that they wanted

I’ve never had anything but positive comments about my full back tattoo and abdomen tattoo…  My OB actually did his best to ignore them and pretty much succeeded, which was weird. WHY did your navel bleed so much?  Was it new?  Did i miss that part? TQ

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I had the occasion of having a physical a few days … I can’t be the only one who has had negative or unusual experiences with doctors.

Negative…not yet…… Unusual…..yup! My regular physician is cool about my metal….. Question (during annual physical): Any new tattoos, or piercings? Answer: Yeah…. Response: OK…let’s have a look…Hmmmm, kind of neat. I did have one unusual incident, tho…. was hospitalized last year for a collapsed lung..ane to be discharged, had to have a physical…young female intern came to my rooom and asked me to disrobe….looked at my nipples, scanned down to my PA, frenum, and pallang, and promptly fainted across my bed…. Hope she doesn’t want to do surgery…. Mr. K Before you buy.

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MK My regular physician is cool about my metal….. MK Question (during annual physical): Any new tattoos, or piercings? MK Answer: Yeah…. MK Response: OK…let’s have a look…Hmmmm, kind of neat.         that’s the same reaction my dentist & dermatologist had. the latter was more amusing somehow. lish 31.6% / 25

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<snip I’m curious about how experiences others on r.a.b. have had with doctors. I can’t be the only one who has had negative or unusual experiences with doctors.

Doctors who’ve seen my tattoos/piercings don’t seem to react one way or the other. They appear to take them all in stride. The doctors staff who’ve seen them, however, are a completely different bunch though (nurses, administrative staff, etc.). I’ve received many positive comments about my tats/piercings from them all, including the ones they see with my clothes on and the ones they see with my clothes off. And the questions they ask me about them tell me they have tattoos/piercings also. I don’t know why, but I’d wager if someone polled the nursing, administrative, and non-doctor staff of any major hospital, they’d find a very high number of pierced/tattooed people working there. -briank Why isn’t phonetic spelled the way it sounds?

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I had the occasion of having a physical a few days … I can’t be the only one who has had negative or unusual experiences with doctors. Negative…not yet…… Unusual…..yup! My regular physician is cool about my metal….. Question (during annual physical): Any new tattoos, or piercings? Answer: Yeah…. Response: OK…let’s have a look…Hmmmm, kind of neat.

That’s pretty much the way it goes everytime I see my doc, too. He seemed very disappointed last month when I had nothing new to show him! Since he’s the only one aside from my husband who ever sees my piercings, I almost feel an obligation to appease him. I did have one unusual incident, tho…. was hospitalized last year for a collapsed lung..ane to be discharged, had to have a physical…young female intern came to my rooom and asked me to disrobe….looked at my nipples, scanned down to my PA, frenum, and pallang, and promptly fainted across my bed…. Hope she doesn’t want to do surgery….

Heh. Reminds me of a story of a friend’s right-wing Christian niece who dropped out of nursing school when she discovered that she was expected to learn about various gay male practices that could result in a visit to the ER. No room for the squeemish in the ER! momma

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had the occasion of having a physical a few days ago by what is best described as an insurance company doctor. Little did I know that they wanted I’ve never had anything but positive comments about my full back tattoo and abdomen tattoo…  My OB actually did his best to ignore them and pretty much succeeded, which was weird. WHY did your navel bleed so much?  Was it new?  Did i miss that part? TQ

It bled so much because I had just pulled out a 14 gauge, 1/2" CBR <without pliers to expand the ring!

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My regular physician is cool about my metal….. Question (during annual physical): Any new tattoos, or piercings? Answer: Yeah…. Response: OK…let’s have a look…Hmmmm, kind of neat. That’s pretty much the way it goes everytime I see my doc, too. He seemed very disappointed last month when I had nothing new to show him! Since he’s the only one aside from my husband who ever sees my piercings, I almost feel an obligation to appease him.

I had occasion last week to have head and neck x-rays taken, and for the initial course of side shots, the radiologist forgot to ask me to remove jewelry.  After developing the films, he returned and said, "Okay, we have to re-take 2 of them because your jewelry sort of blocked the view…  I think you’ll only have to take out the (CBRs in my 2nd lobe holes)." It has to have been the most pleasant hospital experience I’ve ever had.

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26 hours later we finished the tattoo on my back and it turned out fabulous. Pictures at http://www.trancer.com/~tomg Phase 2 will be to do the background, but Trevor (the Artist) and I both need a break, so in a month or two I’ll make an appointment to continue.

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26 hours later we finished the tattoo on my back and it turned out fabulous. Pictures at http://www.trancer.com/~tomg Phase 2 will be to do the background, but Trevor (the Artist) and I both need a break, so in a month or two I’ll make an appointment to

continue. wow.  nice work.  it’s been great to follow the progress of your backpiece. david — RANA ~40   http://www.bmeworld.com/myneedle "Wow.  They have Nick Cave dolls now?  I want one."  –Bongwater, "Power of Pussy" CD, 1990

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Can’t seem to find any good pics of upper back tattoo’s for male. I have browsed hundreds of sites, without any success… can anyone help me with som good URL’s ? Thanks Bjarte

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Can’t seem to find any good pics of upper back tattoo’s for male. I have browsed hundreds of sites, without any success… can anyone help me with som good URL’s ? Thanks Bjarte

You know what could be a good idea? Get out of your house. Find a reputable tattoo shop and ask a tattoo artist to design one. Just for you. Good luck. Alice

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Can’t seem to find any good pics of upper back tattoo’s for male. I have browsed hundreds of sites, without any success… can anyone help me with som good URL’s ?

Why not just decide the general nature of the design and have your artist draw up a detailed layout for you? — Skookums Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

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Can’t seem to find any good pics of upper back tattoo’s for male.

Why do you want to find ‘good pics of upper back tattoo’s for male’? If it is to copy it for your own tat, that is lame. Design your own tattoo. (or get help designing one just for you) It will mean more to you and you will be happier about it in the long run. Tattoo’s are personal. Exercise (define) you own personality. If it is just to look at ‘good pics of upper back tattoo’s for male’, Tattoos are subjective. Keep looking. d http://dinc.freeservers.com Before you buy.

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I hate introductions as much as I do goodbyes, but here goes.  I’m a 23 yr old guy who lives in White Plains, which is about 40 mins from NYC. I’m in the process of sleeving both arms.  The sleeves are Western & Eastern interpretations of the elements.  The left arm will have fire, earth, and space, and the right arm will have water, air and life.  The fire is finished, and starts an inch above my wrist to the middle of my forearm. Under it encircling my wrist is Sanskrit writing that says "prototype of fire."  On the right arm I have the black work for the water done, with the coloring session set for Sep. 10th.  On the inside of my right forearm I have the dragon from Robert Jordans fantasy novels, which I got before I came up with the sleeve plan, but it integrated nicely.  Also on my stomach I have the dragon logo for the NYC hardcore band Sick of It All.  After the sleeves are complete, I’ll be getting a piece on the back of my neck, but I have time to plan that one. On the piercing front I have a tongue piercing and 2 gunned ear piercings, 1 lobe and 1 cartilage.  I regret getting the cartilage one gunned, because I don’t feel like it’s ever healed correctly, and still sometimes bothers me.  I had an eyebrow piercing but due to lazy cleaning it became infected and I had to take it out.  Around my birthday in October I might treat myself to a second tongue piercing, right at the tip.  I like the way a hoop looks with teh barbell behind it.  Anyone have this?  I’d be interested to hear about it. Also did I see a link posted a while back where RABbits could send pics of their work in? It wasn’t BME it was something else. Lazarus2000

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I looked through the FAQ and did not see this info. So, unless Im retarded, in which case you can direct me to the part of the FAQ which I overlooked, my question is: How much does one generally tip, percentage-wise, a piercer for services rendered? Or do you at all? Thanks melou

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Melou asked how much one was supposed to tip piercers…. the one and only keith answered:" *** Give ‘em a peach, an apple or a brownie. That, or 20 percent of the piercing fee." Thinking, thinking…. Which one do YOU expect/prefer ? Corine

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How much does one generally tip, percentage-wise, a piercer for services rendered? *** Give ‘em a peach, an apple or a brownie. That, or 20 percent of the piercing fee.

Or mail them cheese.

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How much does one generally tip, percentage-wise, a piercer for services rendered?

*** Give ‘em a peach, an apple or a brownie. That, or 20 percent of the piercing fee. k e i t h   a l e x a n d er www.modernamerican.com a  p  p     n  y  c @ D V 8 – e n d   o f   t r a n s m i s s i o n –

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Disclaimer:  "RTF" tells people that this is a FAQ pointer, so marked for those who wish to skip over FAQ pointers. Melou said I looked through the FAQ and did not see this info. How much does one generally tip, percentage-wise, a piercer for services rendered? Or do you at all?

Regarding So, unless Im retarded, in which case you can direct me to the part of the FAQ which I overlooked,

I sure don’t think you’re retarded! but I do have a FAQ pointer for you… kindasorta Regarding the "if at all" question, I couldn’t find it under the Piercing FAQs, but comments on offering gratuities DO appear in the Tattoo FAQs http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/tattoo-faq/part2/ Tattoo FAQ 2/9–Getting a tattoo I hope your piercing experience is tip-worthy! Good luck, Rebekah "… any good RABbit already knows that carrots *are* good for eyesight!" — Alan Crist, 2/3/99        To Reply, CASTRATE (= remove the .balls) FAQs: http://www.achilles.net/~dextra/spako http://www.eskimo.com/~rab/faqpage.html – list of all RAB FAQs"

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How much does one generally tip, percentage-wise, a piercer for services rendered? *** Give ‘em a peach, an apple or a brownie.

How about chocolate chip cookies for a cookie- deprived American in Germany ? Nina — http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman The subtle irony of a neurotoxin like acrylamide is that you are the last one to realize that you should have worn gloves.

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Nina wrote How about chocolate chip cookies for a cookie- deprived American in Germany ?

I make bitchen cookies. I already told you, do a house call here, because I can’t find my cat’s belly button under all the fur. I need the expertise of a critter woman. :B Rebekah "… any good RABbit already knows that carrots *are* good for eyesight!" — Alan Crist, 2/3/99        To Reply, CASTRATE (= remove the .balls) FAQs: http://www.achilles.net/~dextra/spako http://www.eskimo.com/~rab/faqpage.html – list of all RAB FAQs"

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Nina wrote How about chocolate chip cookies for a cookie- deprived American in Germany ? I make bitchen cookies.

Me too It’s not me who’s cookie- deprived (I’m not American either), it’s my artist (Sting) to whom I just mailed my ideas for a lower back tatTOO. WooHoo! ) I already told you, do a house call here, because I can’t find my cat’s belly button under all the fur. I need the expertise of a critter woman.

Or you could plug in that hair clipping machine and… Rest assured, there *is* a belly button. Nina

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I looked through the FAQ and did not see this info. So, unless Im retarded, in which case you can direct me to the part of the FAQ which I overlooked, my question is: How much does one generally tip, percentage-wise, a piercer for services rendered? Or do you at all? Thanks melou

Only about 15 degrees…..after that many of them lose their balance and fall over…. Tim Whetung, Websmith http://www.urbanprimitive.com

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OK, I came into this thread late, but just having gotten my first piercing (see earlier post) I completely didn’t think to tip. Should I have? She was so great and I was so overwhelmed by the sensation that I was not thinking about money at all. The cost of getting it done was so reasonable ( to me at least, about $37 including the 14g sss ring for my nip ) That I would gladly have tipped had I thought about it. Maybe I can make it up the next time I go, cuz I will go back for more! -Radixx — Those who give you a serpent when you ask for a fish, may have  nothing but serpents to give. It is then generosity on their part.                                                                   -Kahlin Gibran               Now let’s release the snakes…   N++ L! H- B– M– T! A! U++ I P F- S NC V- R– D+ PB–

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I’ve never heard of anyone tipping a piercer… they usually charge quite a bit over what the equipment and jewelry costs, so they make their money there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I looked through the FAQ and did not see this info. So, unless Im retarded, in which case you can direct me to the part of the FAQ which I overlooked, my question is: How much does one generally tip, percentage-wise, a piercer for services rendered? Or do you at all? Thanks melou

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I’ve never heard of anyone tipping a piercer… they usually charge quite a bit over what the equipment and jewelry costs, so they make their money there.

I always tip anyone who gives service beyond the basic level which is needed to accomplish the job. This includes waitresses, car wash personnel, my tattoo artist, and of course my piercer. It goes a long way toward a positive attitude and a good relationship. In general I tip a piercer about 20% or I will do things like buy them lunch and what have you. As tattoo artist I will tell you that I love when a client tips me. It is not so much the money, It is a show of appreciation that I have done a great job in their eyes I have treated them well and created a positive experience for them. Like I said it isn’t the cash, the best tip I had was a young lady who brought me flowers the next day. It made what was a difficult client worthwhile. Peace — JSin The Lost Generation Custom Tattoo and Design http://www.bigfoot.com/~lostgen "My right arm reaches out for her love only, But my left arm still embraces a life of Sin" – The Reverend Horton Heat

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I’ve never heard of anyone tipping a piercer… they usually charge quite a bit over what the equipment and jewelry costs, so they make their money there.

Ever wonder why that septum is a little crooked sporkboy. It’s a service field, any service field allows for tipping, although not mandatory ever if you are happy with the serivice it’s nice to let the piercer now, a gratuity is one way to do this, I gove my piercer cigars since we share a common interest in a decent stoogie and for a long time I worked for a distributor meaning my humidor is well above my means normally. I think that as a whole tipping has become way to formalized and all to often neglected. Anyway it’s been said before tip what you want and what you think is earned. Enough said, Chumley The Happy Clown ****Submissive Clown for rent to right party**** Master Piercee BMSGU Chicago Charter To reply via E-Mail remove the <tumor

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a question was asked I stated what I knew based on my expieriences SO QUIT SENDING ME EMAILS GETTING ONTO ME FOR IT geez people! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never heard of anyone tipping a piercer… they usually charge quite a bit over what the equipment and jewelry costs, so they make their money there. I looked through the FAQ and did not see this info. So, unless Im retarded, in which case you can direct me to the part of the FAQ which I overlooked, my question is: How much does one generally tip, percentage-wise, a piercer for services rendered? Or do you at all? Thanks melou

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a question was asked I stated what I knew based on my expieriences SO QUIT SENDING ME EMAILS GETTING ONTO ME FOR IT geez people!

—-your septum *is* crooked, isn’t it… <g -Manda ^v^

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I already told you, do a house call here, because I can’t find my cat’s belly button under all the fur. I need the expertise of a critter woman. Or you could plug in that hair clipping machine and… Rest assured, there *is* a belly button.

What if thee cat were a vat-grown clone? Denise Robinson, CEO Ambient Inc. www.ambient.on.ca "Chaos is however much more fun since Anarchists tend to sit behind locked doors and grumble about the man. At least Chaos is active."    –Chumley The Happy Clown, 02/99

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I already told you, do a house call here, because I can’t find my cat’s belly button under all the fur. I need the expertise of a critter woman. Or you could plug in that hair clipping machine and… Rest assured, there *is* a belly button. What if thee cat were a vat-grown clone?

Or an alien sent to spy on us, I thought of that Nina — http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman Seeing that water is so important for life, it has to be a decision by an intelligent being to make water from H2O and not Oil from H2O.      -from alt.atheism.satire

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Well, last Wednesday I went in to get my second tattoo. It really is just an extention of my first, and the full design now spans the width of my lower back and is about 6" tall. The problem? I literally could not stand the pain this time. About 5 minutes into it, I was already asking for a break because I was afraid I was going to faint (yes, I had eaten). About 15 minutes in, I started crying. Now, while I didn’t ask my artist to stop, it was very difficult for him to continue through my sobbing. There were some parts where it felt like he was tattooing my kidneys. We ended up taking 3 breaks and only made it though the outline. The total time was just over an hour. My first tat was about a year ago and I remember it hurting, but I didn’t have a problem sitting though it (I think it took 1 1/2 to 2 hours total). My artist recomended I get some Valium for the coloring appointment, but I’m not sure if I will be able to get prescription. (No, I don’t think it is the artist. He’s the same artist who has done a lot (30 hours?) of work on Anna, and she says that he has the lightest touch she’s experienced.) And, ironically, I’m going to this artist precisely because he does the most beautiful color work I’d have access to in Colorado. My questions: 1) Should I try to get a Valium prescription? I’ve never taken it so I don’t have any experience. 2) What about codeine? I do have some of that laying around (from SO’s wisdom teeth), but I’ve never taken it, so I imagine I would need a test run before. 3) Relaxation techniques I could quickly learn? I was consentrating on my breathing, and trying to count in and out, but it didn’t seem to help any. 4) Any other suggestions? Normally, I would just accept that I’m not made out for tattooing, but I really want this tattoo finished, then I’ll call it quits. Thanks, wendy the wussie —          "Life is pain, Highness.  Anyone who says differently              is selling something." — The Princess Bride          

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Wasn’t planning for anyone to hear a real peep from me at least until peeps were in season, but it finally happened. After 11 months as a pierced person, someone asked me, "Did it hurt?" Not that I was feeling deprived, mind you, but it could be interpreted as a lacuna in my worldly experience. I should add, for those whose memory may be failing or for those who’ve been hitting the eggnog with enthusiasm, my only piercing (so far) is an ampallang. No. This was in the men’s locker room at the gym. And since the gym caters to an bohemian crowd, there are a lot of guys with bodmods, which is why I never felt the need to hide or mask my piercing. Most of the mods are tattoos, but there’s a good representation of a variety of piercings. But it does raise a question: how do people handle disrobbing in the locker room. It’s more a survey question, since I don’t see the need to change my habits. Meanwhile, Wishing you all happy holidays and a wonderful new year, JB

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But it does raise a question: how do people handle disrobbing in the locker room.

  When I used to go to the gym at my former school, I would just change normally, doing whatever I needed to do, regardless of whatever mods I had. People would normally spot my lower back tattoo first and while asking if it hurt, would notice some of the other stuff which would provoke various reactions (but no  fainting  Christine — </<=</<=</<=</<=</<   http://www.angelfire.com/ny/bonita80/ Last updated: 12/01/98

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But it does raise a question: how do people handle disrobbing in the locker room. It’s more a survey question, since I don’t see the need to change my habits.

*** I just go about my business. Let them "process" what the see. – k e i t h  a l e x a n d e r   www.modernamerican.com a.  p.  p     n.  y.  c. – e n d   o f   t r a n s m i s s i o n –

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OK, I spend about half my life (it usually feels like that anyway) at the gym – I alternate between feeling like I oughta wear a towel to and from the showers after I get a new piece of jewelry for PA or guiches (I like the bulky stuff) and wanting to go naked into the street – I rarely hear from any of the other folks at the gym (health club really – there -is- a difference) about any of the metal – usually it’s a didn’t-that-hurt remark, but on occasion it’s been a request for how to find a piercer (!) that I’m glad to help with.  Since this is mostly a business men’s club, I have been kinda surprised there haven’t been any deprecating remarks – there’s rarely anybody else there with piercings, and when there is they’re ears or at the most a nip – but everybody seems content to let me be the weird guy or whatever it is they think, and that’s fine by me. Just thought I’d offer . . .    Paul JBoorstein wrote snip how do people handle disrobbing in the locker room. It’s more a survey question, since I don’t see the need to change my habits.

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: But it does raise a question: how do people handle disrobbing in the locker : room. It’s more a survey question, since I don’t see the need to change my : *** I just go about my business. Let them "process" what the see.         Shit, I want to go lift weights with Keith.  :)  I bet you wear         a little danskin leotard with those big fat socks.         Jemshaid — Jemshaid Cheema The Johns Hopkins University: CTY 1991, AS 1998, EN 1998 http://www.ugrad.cs.jhu.edu/~cheemajn/index.html

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But it does raise a question: how do people handle disrobbing in the locker room. It’s more a survey question, since I don’t see the need to change my habits

I had lots of piercings while I was still in high school–pierced nipples did not go over well in the locker room of my ultra conservative bible belt locker room.  But it sure was fun…I handled it by ignoring the stares and other reactions of the other girls in my class, and enjoying the rumors they started. "To the truly pure nothing is impure."  –Oranges Aren’t the Only Fruit

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… No. This was in the men’s locker room at the gym. … But it does raise a question: how do people handle disrobbing in the locker room. It’s more a survey question, since I don’t see the need to change my habits.

In the year that I’ve been both pierced (currently 4ga curved bb PA) and going to "the club" I haven’t had any comments or obvious double-takes from the adults in the locker room. The kids, however, are another story. None have actually said anything to me, but the general expression is amazement and fear. — Alan C. Davis Please remove spam filter in Reply To: address —–   Find what scares you…and do it.  —–

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But it does raise a question: how do people handle disrobbing in the locker room. It’s more a survey question, since I don’t see the need to change my habits.

I usually get done working out, head over to my locker, get undressed, close my locker, and slip my combination Master Lock thru my PA, lock it, and then take a shower.  Seriously, I just go about my normal routine.  I don’t walk around making sure everyone there knows I have mods as to make a spectacle of myself, I just do what I gotta do and go.  I’ve had a few comments from people, mostly thee older gents saying bad things about me under their breath.  I’ve thought about giving them a good scare, but I don’t want someone’s heart attack on my concious.  ;)~ — G

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I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection.  I mean if i get it done i don’t want my tounge to fall off. I would also like some feed back on the subject. Like did it hurt, how long did it take to heal etc etc.  Please any information is helpful. Please.                                             sincerely,                                                     nick

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I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection.  I mean if i get it done i don’t want my tounge to fall off. I would also like some feed back on the subject. Like did it hurt, how long did it take to heal etc etc.  Please any information is helpful. Please.

I’m sure you’ll get a lot of replies – but here is mine: at 14, not a lot of piercers will pierce you – even with consent. As for infection, if you take care of it, no risk. did it hurt?  well, yeah – its a needle – DUH!   It didn’t hurt so much that I wouldn’t do it again, though.  healing teh first week sucked, but then it was fun.  I have had mine for about 3 months – and I have stretched from a 12 to a 6ga very easily.   I love mine, but as I said – you may just have to wait till you are a tad bit older.  Don’t go to a seedy place, just because they’ll pierce you.  It is worth the wait. Tim — Angry men don’t write the rules and guns don’t right the wrongs.         — Stephen Sondheim, "Assassins" —

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I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection.  I mean if i get it done i don’t want my tounge to fall off. I would also like some feed back on the subject. Like did it hurt, how long did it take to heal etc etc.  Please any information is helpful. Please.                                             sincerely,                                                     nick

Nick, I highly recommend that you DON’T get your tounge pierced. For one thing, it’s an extremely elusive part of one’s anatomy. I’m pretty experienced with piercing, and I don’t even know where it *IS*! If you insist on being pierced, I recommend either the knee pierce or the torso pierce. These are the two most popular piercings today and also the fastest to heal. If you opt for the torso pierce, however, make absolutely certain the needle goes directly through the spleen and doesn’t go around to the side. As with any piercings, these are best done at home, either by yourself or a loved one. Aftercare should include daily immersion of the pierced area(s) in a fifty-fifty mixture of kerosene and diesel fuel. Drinking a fifth or two of tequila twenty minutes before the piercing also aids in healing. Good luck! – Sterno — M’muh!

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Nick — Congratulations on having open-minded parents.  

Andira, did I ever mention that I loved ya? *Mwah* Ok–Nick, congrats from me on having open minded parents as well. We’re a rare breed of RABbit Hang around, ok? LA "Priests Don’t Swear Just ‘Cos Ya Want ‘Em To"

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I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection.  I mean if i get it done i don’t want my tounge to fall off. I would also like some feed back on the subject. Like did it hurt, how long did it take to heal etc etc.  Please any information is helpful. Please.                                             sincerely,                                                     nick

I just got mine done on Sunday and it didn’t hurt at all, but my roommate got her’s done today and she said it hurt.  I watched as they did my roommate’s and it looked like it hurt, my roommate said that the needle went right through mine. Jamie (from Pleasurable Pearcing in NJ) did both of ours, and I would go back there in a flash…. I just have to decide what I want next. Jenn

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At the risk of pissing off a bunch of people here…..I think your parents are F*ing Nuts for even considering it…. I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection.  I mean if i get it done i don’t want my tounge to fall off. I would also like some feed back on the subject. Like did it hurt, how long did it take to heal etc etc.  Please any information is helpful. Please.                                             sincerely,                                                     nick

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At the risk of pissing off a bunch of people here…..I think your parents are F*ing Nuts for even considering it….

Yes, I’ sure you’re right, Jim.  They’d be much better off if they’d just refuse permission before getting the facts, thereby letting the kid in on how much they care (and incedentally, instructing their offspring on how to carefully consider new situations).  "This is no time to think, we must simply REACT!!!" Other obvious advantages would be that now the child will do it his/herself or have it done by someone ~far~ less skilled/clean than a pro, setting up a)  A great opportunity for sickness or infection b)  (Possibly your fave, Jim)  SERIOUS interpersonal conflict in the family unit Really, I mean how can anyone expect to intellegently discuss ANY topic with their 14 year old kid.  It’s just a F*ing "nutty" concept, huh? BTW, you’re certainly not pissing ME off, at least not directly. Have a nice day, and say "hi" to the kids for me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection.  I mean if i get it done i don’t want my tounge to fall off. I would also like some feed back on the subject. Like did it hurt, how long did it take to heal etc etc.  Please any information is helpful. Please.                                             sincerely,                                                     nick — Jim Eller ==of course the opinions are mine! remove <sendnospam to e-mail me.

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Hmm..Jim said: At the risk of pissing off a bunch of people here…..I think your parents are F*ing Nuts for even considering it….

Well… I don’t think his folks are nuts..I think they’re smart. If anything, I commend them for trusting Nick enough to take care of a piercing. Jim, tell me something–I know I’d never do so, but did you realize that if some kids are told "No", they’ll go off and do it themselves? I beleive Nick’s parents are looking out for both his health and happiness. Point blank–even if you don’t agree with it, you can’t stop it. (The above views are MY OWN. Mine. No-one ELSES. Thank you.) LA

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I agree, I got my bellybutton done when I was sixteen (lied to the guy and he didn’t ask for I.D.  And I have no problems with piercing now (navel, both tragus (sp??) and just got a toung ring) but I do think that 14 is too young to do something that ‘extreme’ — not really the word I want but can’t put it into better words. I can say that when I have kids, (if piercing is still as common as it is now) they will be free to get what they want, when they turn 18 and can sign for themselves. Jenn Christ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At the risk of pissing off a bunch of people here…..I think your parents are F*ing Nuts for even considering it…. I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection.  I mean if i get it done i don’t want my tounge to fall off. I would also like some feed back on the subject. Like did it hurt, how long did it take to heal etc etc.  Please any information is helpful. Please.                                             sincerely,                                                     nick — Jim Eller ==of course the opinions are mine! remove <sendnospam to e-mail me.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree, I got my bellybutton done when I was sixteen (lied to the guy and he didn’t ask for I.D.  And I have no problems with piercing now (navel, both tragus (sp??) and just got a toung ring) but I do think that 14 is too young to do something that ‘extreme’ — not really the word I want but can’t put it into better words. I can say that when I have kids, (if piercing is still as common as it is now) they will be free to get what they want, when they turn 18 and can sign for themselves. Jenn Christ At the risk of pissing off a bunch of people here…..I think your parents are F*ing Nuts for even considering it…. I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection<SNIPPO

Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting that folks should let lil Jonnie/Jane get perforated (I don’t know them, and don’t have a nickle in it), just that the open dialog concerning the kid’s desires is a healthy thing. IMO alot of folks just don’t take the time to speak intellegently with their offspring (especially with topics they’re unfamiliar with or against)  and then wonder, when the kid is no longer a kid, why they no longer communicate. That a parent would ‘consider’, not necessarily condone, things like this bodes well for the future of the relationship. As to whether 14 is too young, who’s to say?  Apparently the parents are attempting to find out what’s involved so that they can decide.  The person wanting the work done has either been charged with the responsibility of gathering info, or has begun the quest on his/her own.  Either way it’s a good sign, IMO.  You say your kids can get what they want when they’re 18…You haven’t met your kids yet;  maybe 18 will be too soon.  Several pros here have gone on record as having turned down piercing 17 year olds with parents presence, due to a demonstration of immaturity.  Chronological age is no guarantee of suitability. Lou K.

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Well… I don’t think his folks are nuts..I think they’re smart. If anything, I commend them for trusting Nick enough to take care of a piercing. Jim, tell me something–I know I’d never do so, but did you realize that if some kids are told "No", they’ll go off and do it themselves? I beleive Nick’s parents are looking out for both his health and happiness.

i definitely agree, i mean, you ALL were 14 once. I’m glad that somone’s parents are smart and open minded about consenting to their child’s tongue being pierced. yes it is stupid for the child to do it himself, but kids dont know any better. and the "teenage rebellion"? hmmm? remember you were 14 once too.. Point blank–even if you don’t agree with it, you can’t stop it.

 yup. kids *will* do it anyway. it’s not because they’re stupid, they’re just kids. (The above views are MY OWN. Mine. No-one ELSES. Thank you.)

but hey i agree!! (also bitched the same point when everybody was yelling about some lady piercing minors.) kim=) @                        i hate these things. @

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I agree a PRO doing it is best….however I still think 14 is still too young for this type of piercing….. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim Eller At the risk of pissing off a bunch of people here…..I think your parents are F*ing Nuts for even considering it…. Yes, I’ sure you’re right, Jim.  They’d be much better off if they’d just refuse permission before getting the facts, thereby letting the kid in on how much they care (and incedentally, instructing their offspring on how to carefully consider new situations).  "This is no time to think, we must simply REACT!!!" Other obvious advantages would be that now the child will do it his/herself or have it done by someone ~far~ less skilled/clean than a pro, setting up a)  A great opportunity for sickness or infection b)  (Possibly your fave, Jim)  SERIOUS interpersonal conflict in the family unit Really, I mean how can anyone expect to intellegently discuss ANY topic with their 14 year old kid.  It’s just a F*ing "nutty" concept, huh? BTW, you’re certainly not pissing ME off, at least not directly. Have a nice day, and say "hi" to the kids for me. I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection.  I mean if i get it done i don’t want my tounge to fall off. I would also like some feed back on the subject. Like did it hurt, how long did it take to heal etc etc.  Please any information is helpful. Please.                                             sincerely,                                                     nick — Jim Eller ==of course the opinions are mine! remove <sendnospam to e-mail me.

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Ok I agree…When I was younger I would have done it too…. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmm..Jim said: At the risk of pissing off a bunch of people here…..I think your parents are F*ing Nuts for even considering it…. Well… I don’t think his folks are nuts..I think they’re smart. If anything, I commend them for trusting Nick enough to take care of a piercing. Jim, tell me something–I know I’d never do so, but did you realize that if some kids are told "No", they’ll go off and do it themselves? I beleive Nick’s parents are looking out for both his health and happiness. Point blank–even if you don’t agree with it, you can’t stop it. (The above views are MY OWN. Mine. No-one ELSES. Thank you.) LA

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Lou You bring up a good point…… Discussion between parents and children a GOOD and neccessary but I still feel 14 is too young….. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree, I got my bellybutton done when I was sixteen (lied to the guy and he didn’t ask for I.D.  And I have no problems with piercing now (navel, both tragus (sp??) and just got a toung ring) but I do think that 14 is too young to do something that ‘extreme’ — not really the word I want but can’t put it into better words. I can say that when I have kids, (if piercing is still as common as it is now) they will be free to get what they want, when they turn 18 and can sign for themselves. Jenn Christ At the risk of pissing off a bunch of people here…..I think your parents are F*ing Nuts for even considering it…. I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection<SNIPPO Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting that folks should let lil Jonnie/Jane get perforated (I don’t know them, and don’t have a nickle in it), just that the open dialog concerning the kid’s desires is a healthy thing. IMO alot of folks just don’t take the time to speak intellegently with their offspring (especially with topics they’re unfamiliar with or against)  and then wonder, when the kid is no longer a kid, why they no longer communicate. That a parent would ‘consider’, not necessarily condone, things like this bodes well for the future of the relationship. As to whether 14 is too young, who’s to say?  Apparently the parents are attempting to find out what’s involved so that they can decide.  The person wanting the work done has either been charged with the responsibility of gathering info, or has begun the quest on his/her own.  Either way it’s a good sign, IMO.  You say your kids can get what they want when they’re 18…You haven’t met your kids yet;  maybe 18 will be too soon.  Several pros here have gone on record as having turned down piercing 17 year olds with parents presence, due to a demonstration of immaturity.  Chronological age is no guarantee of suitability. Lou K.

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I agree a PRO doing it is best….however I still think 14 is still too young for this type of piercing….. Jim

Quite frankly, I agree.  I’ve got a 12 yr old, and can hardly wait ’til requests like this start.  So far the habits I’ve found most disturbing revolve around the spice girls.  Blech. However, I stick to my view that it’s "their" decision, and am glad that the family is working on it together (or so it appears).  Nothing nuts ’bout that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim Eller At the risk of pissing off a bunch of people here…..I think your parents are F*ing Nuts for even considering it…. Yes, I’ sure you’re right, Jim.  They’d be much better off if they’d just refuse permission before getting the facts, thereby letting the kid in on how much they care (and incedentally, instructing their offspring on how to carefully consider new situations).  "This is no time to think, we must simply REACT!!!" Other obvious advantages would be that now the child will do it his/herself or have it done by someone ~far~ less skilled/clean than a pro, setting up a)  A great opportunity for sickness or infection b)  (Possibly your fave, Jim)  SERIOUS interpersonal conflict in the family unit Really, I mean how can anyone expect to intellegently discuss ANY topic with their 14 year old kid.  It’s just a F*ing "nutty" concept, huh? BTW, you’re certainly not pissing ME off, at least not directly. Have a nice day, and say "hi" to the kids for me. I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection.  I mean if i get it done i don’t want my tounge to fall off. I would also like some feed back on the subject. Like did it hurt, how long did it take to heal etc etc.  Please any information is helpful. Please.                                             sincerely,                                                     nick — Jim Eller ==of course the opinions are mine! remove <sendnospam to e-mail me. — Jim Eller ==of course the opinions are mine! remove <sendnospam to e-mail me. Killifish,Cichlids,Ponds,Goldfish, Hounds,Guns,PickupTruck, Girlfriend,Cats,Wife,etc..

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Jim said: Ok I agree…When I was younger I would have done it too….

See, I don’t speak for "Pierced Tongues on Under-18s" because I don’t have one. It’s not appropriate for me right now, because in my wonderful world, basically labrets, pierced eyebrows, lips, tongues aren’t seen as good things by most agents and casting directors. I don’t agree that it’s -the- best piercing for me right now, but hey–if it’s good for you, go for it! I’ve decided to wait for my upcoming birthday in December for my nostril =) xxx LA

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I’m 14 and i’m toatally into getting my tounge pierced.  My parents are thinking about letting me do it and i was just wandering what is the risk of infection.  I mean if i get it done i don’t want my tounge to fall off. I would also like some feed back on the subject. Like did it hurt, how long did it take to heal etc etc.  Please any information is helpful. Please.

        I’ve not had my tongue pierced (don’t really want it done, either; had enough of metally bits in my mouth with braces, thank you very much. but I’d hesitate before getting your tongue pierced purely because of your age.         Before anyone jumps on me, I’ll explain. At 14, your mouth/ teeth/jaw may not have totally sorted themselves out yet and I would be concerned that having a tongue pierce could cause you to develop bite problems or the like. At the very least, I’d check with a good dentist/orthodontist about the status of your mouth. (Ideally, one which was piercing friendly, so you could explain that you wanted a tongue piercing.)         Second, you should probably really think about *why* you want a tongue piercing. I do know a lot of people of varying ages who want such things and have really thought about it and want it for *them* (and the fact that you’re posting here indicates that you are thinking about it , but this is the sort of thing where you can’t really think too much about your reasons. (Also, being able to state precisely why you want it will make dealing with other people easier; well-thought out, reasoned arguements always worked better on my parents than "I just want it." Just make sure you want it because you want one, and not because you’ll be cool because you’re the only one in your class that has one, or some such. -Kris         (Who is 19, and has wanted a second set of holes in her ears since 12 or 13, but hasn’t gotten them yet because the time wasn’t right back then; too much other stuff going on to mess with having new pierces to take care of.)

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I just feel that a tongue pierce is something a "mature" individual should consider. Most and I emphasize "most" 14 year olds are getting their tongue pierced only because of peer pressure…or what they perceive as whats "cool" right now. If a tongue pierce is ok then how about a full back tattoo covering from nape to waist. Jim  Jim Eller responded to a 14 year old wanting a tongue pierce: At the risk of pissing off a bunch of people here…..I think your parents are F*ing Nuts for even considering it…. Okay. But WHY do you think that, Jim? Laura (not the least bit piddled off)  Laura Gitchel                                http://pobox.com/~pokey

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