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Does anyone know where I can find pictures of daoist (taoist) tattoos?? thanks, bobo

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BvP Does anyone know where I can find pictures of daoist (taoist) tattoos?? daoists don’t get tattooed. it’s against their religion.

And just the fact that you’re discussing it means it isn’t Tao.  It’s a tricky bitch, that Tao. — WyrdWoman http://www.mindspring.com/~amy.webb/

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BvP Does anyone know where I can find pictures of daoist (taoist) tattoos??         daoists don’t get tattooed. it’s against their religion. lish 29.9% / 32

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BvP Does anyone know where I can find pictures of daoist (taoist) tattoos??    daoists don’t get tattooed. it’s against their religion.

There is nothing actually preventing someone from getting tattoo’d and being a taoist.  It just happens that most people who have a taoist based relaity tunnel going also have additional ideas in place which preclude tattooing. Thus, there arent any tattoos which correspond with being a taoist since they dont tend to get tattoo’d (certainly not in organized groups) but you could easily get a tattoo and be  a taoist. Erik Sprague a.k.a. The Lizardman Now appearing with the Jim Rose Circus http://members.aol.com/spidergod5/index.html

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   daoists don’t get tattooed. it’s against their religion.

S There is nothing actually preventing someone from getting tattoo’d and be S taoist.  It just happens that most people who have a taoist based relaity         i was lying to the idiots again, erik.         someone’s got to. lish 29.9% / 32

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i was lying to the idiots again, erik.    someone’s got to.

damn and here I thought you were quoting one of the many ‘pop’ works on the subject.  I’ve seen pretty much everything fun (body mod, anal sex, drugs, etc ) be described by self-proclaimed taoist experts as being forbidden by taoism.  You often wonder if they have ever even seen the texts… Erik Sprague a.k.a. The Lizardman Now appearing with the Jim Rose Circus http://members.aol.com/spidergod5/index.html

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.  I’ve seen pretty much everything fun (body mod, anal sex, drugs, etc ) be described by self-proclaimed taoist experts as being forbidden by taoism.

Eric, you have been reading too much and it has confused you, that’s not the Taoists, it’s the Babtists Ray

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yet I saw a Daoist monk in China with a tattoo! How Dao is that? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BvP Does anyone know where I can find pictures of daoist (taoist) tattoos?? daoists don’t get tattooed. it’s against their religion. And just the fact that you’re discussing it means it isn’t Tao.  It’s a tricky bitch, that Tao. — WyrdWoman http://www.mindspring.com/~amy.webb/

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see that’s what I thought. Now I asked because I saw this daoist monk in China (Wuhan) who had an awesome little tattoo (not a character) on the inside of his wrist that looked a little like a rune, sort of like the ancient water character… ?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BvP Does anyone know where I can find pictures of daoist (taoist) tattoos??       daoists don’t get tattooed. it’s against their religion. There is nothing actually preventing someone from getting tattoo’d and being a taoist.  It just happens that most people who have a taoist based relaity tunnel going also have additional ideas in place which preclude tattooing. Thus, there arent any tattoos which correspond with being a taoist since they dont tend to get tattoo’d (certainly not in organized groups) but you could easily get a tattoo and be  a taoist. Erik Sprague a.k.a. The Lizardman Now appearing with the Jim Rose Circus http://members.aol.com/spidergod5/index.html

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yet I saw a Daoist monk in China with a tattoo! How Dao is that?

not all that Dao at all, really – technically there is no connection between the two (‘daoist’ and ‘monk’) – what you met was a monk who happened to be a taoist and/or a taoist who happened to be a monk.  I only bring it up because this is different than the case with most other religions. Erik Sprague a.k.a. The Lizardman Now appearing with the Jim Rose Circus http://members.aol.com/spidergod5/index.html

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see that’s what I thought. Now I asked because I saw this daoist monk in China (Wuhan) who had an awesome little tattoo (not a character) on the inside of his wrist that looked a little like a rune, sort of like the ancient water character… ??

Well, if a taoist were to be looking for a tattoo that would fit with their beliefs the chinese character (kanji) for water would certainly be appropriate Erik Sprague a.k.a. The Lizardman Now appearing with the Jim Rose Circus http://members.aol.com/spidergod5/index.html

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Yeah, water would be a good one. Since you want to be technical, the term monk is actually generally used for male and female Daoist "clergy" (yet another vague term) as the closest English translation of the Chinese term for Daoist priest (or monk if you will) "dao shi". See for example the Mysterious Secret Monk (no joke) at http://www.taorestore.org/monk1.html Also, the term "kanji" can technically only be used for Japanese characters, though they originate from ancient chinese "han zi", hence kanji. In tattoo circles you often hear peopole say "chinese kanji" which is an oxymoron. Anyway, who does the best Chinese tattoos around New York City, i’m also looking for someone who does good I Ching tattoos? B0b – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – yet I saw a Daoist monk in China with a tattoo! How Dao is that? not all that Dao at all, really – technically there is no connection between the two (‘daoist’ and ‘monk’) – what you met was a monk who happened to be a taoist and/or a taoist who happened to be a monk.  I only bring it up because this is different than the case with most other religions. Erik Sprague a.k.a. The Lizardman Now appearing with the Jim Rose Circus http://members.aol.com/spidergod5/index.html

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They call a tattooed monk daottooist – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – yet I saw a Daoist monk in China with a tattoo! How Dao is that?

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Hey Bob; Chinese… I am not sure, but when I did my research for an artist for my tat, I didn’t look for someone who does Japanese "style" tattoos, I’ve been looking for a Japanese artist who knows the intricate symbolism of irezumi. I have found two, on is Kazz from Fly Rite Tattoo (500 Metropolitan Ave, Brooklyn), who was referred to me by Stacey who saw my request in here. Well, Kazz did not do my large piece (Horicho did it) but he added this Saturday some ink to an existing tattoo on my other arm. I saw his portfolio and he does a very nice job including designing. The other Japanese artist I met was at DragonFly Tattoo, but I forgot his name. They have two locations, both in walking distance, 6th Ave and W 4 and the larger shop on W4 around the corner. Hope that helped Chaoswolf

Anyway, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – who does the best Chinese tattoos around New York City, i’m also looking for someone who does good I Ching tattoos? B0b

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thanks Chaoswolf! b. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Bob; Chinese… I am not sure, but when I did my research for an artist for my tat, I didn’t look for someone who does Japanese "style" tattoos, I’ve been looking for a Japanese artist who knows the intricate symbolism of irezumi. I have found two, on is Kazz from Fly Rite Tattoo (500 Metropolitan Ave, Brooklyn), who was referred to me by Stacey who saw my request in here. Well, Kazz did not do my large piece (Horicho did it) but he added this Saturday some ink to an existing tattoo on my other arm. I saw his portfolio and he does a very nice job including designing. The other Japanese artist I met was at DragonFly Tattoo, but I forgot his name. They have two locations, both in walking distance, 6th Ave and W 4 and the larger shop on W4 around the corner. Hope that helped Chaoswolf Anyway, who does the best Chinese tattoos around New York City, i’m also looking for someone who does good I Ching tattoos? B0b

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Yeah, water would be a good one. Since you want to be technical, the term monk is actually generally used for male and female Daoist "clergy" (yet another vague term) as the closest English translation of the Chinese term for Daoist priest (or monk if you will) "dao shi". See for example the Mysterious Secret Monk (no joke) at http://www.taorestore.org/monk1.html

I’ll concede the ‘han zi’ v ‘kanji’ terminology points since I really dont know for sure, not my strong point.  The textual basis of thought for many oriental schools of thought however is a strong point for me and I will say that taoist priest is more of an oxymoron than chinese kani could ever be. Unless you specify the use of ‘priest’ in a special manner – similiar to what I said before, you could be a priest to a community and have taoist beliefs and in that sense be a taoist priest but that is alot different than being a catholic priest for example.  The idea of taoist clergy is absurd but also a reality and in that sense taoism is one the few religions that competes with christianity in terms of the majority of its practioners deviating so far from the philosophical message of its founders and texts. Erik Sprague a.k.a. The Lizardman Now appearing with the Jim Rose Circus http://members.aol.com/spidergod5/index.html

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I’ll concede the ‘han zi’ v ‘kanji’ terminology points since I really dont know for sure, not my strong point.

Well, technically this is true, BUT, now it comes down to a matter of English. We cannot say hanzi correctly, whereas kanji is pretty easy to pronounce. Therefore, we use that word for both Chinese and Japanese kanji. Dom Dom’s Kanji Tattoo Archive http://kanji.homepage.com {So tuck the kids in the safe tonight / shut the eyes in the cupboard} [Open up your skull, Ill be there climbing up the walls] You’re a dick and I’m tired of your dicketry! ~Stan

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Well put, and I  totally agree. I don’t think Lao Tzu (or Chuang Tzu) had any clergy in mind… Where did you study Eastern Philosophy? I did 5 years of that and East Asian studies in Ghent, Belgium, where I, incidentally, saw the Jim Rose Circus in 1988 or thereabouts and was very impressed. I also lived 3 years in China, studying and working. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, water would be a good one. Since you want to be technical, the term monk is actually generally used for male and female Daoist "clergy" (yet another vague term) as the closest English translation of the Chinese term for Daoist priest (or monk if you will) "dao shi". See for example the Mysterious Secret Monk (no joke) at http://www.taorestore.org/monk1.html I’ll concede the ‘han zi’ v ‘kanji’ terminology points since I really dont know for sure, not my strong point.  The textual basis of thought for many oriental schools of thought however is a strong point for me and I will say that taoist priest is more of an oxymoron than chinese kani could ever be. Unless you specify the use of ‘priest’ in a special manner – similiar to what I said before, you could be a priest to a community and have taoist beliefs and in that sense be a taoist priest but that is alot different than being a catholic priest for example.  The idea of taoist clergy is absurd but also a reality and in that sense taoism is one the few religions that competes with christianity in terms of the majority of its practioners deviating so far from the philosophical message of its founders and texts. Erik Sprague a.k.a. The Lizardman Now appearing with the Jim Rose Circus http://members.aol.com/spidergod5/index.html

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… and that is very true too, it always sounds strange to me though. Why not say Chinese "characters"? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll concede the ‘han zi’ v ‘kanji’ terminology points since I really dont know for sure, not my strong point. Well, technically this is true, BUT, now it comes down to a matter of English. We cannot say hanzi correctly, whereas kanji is pretty easy to pronounce. Therefore, we use that word for both Chinese and Japanese kanji. Dom Dom’s Kanji Tattoo Archive http://kanji.homepage.com {So tuck the kids in the safe tonight / shut the eyes in the cupboard} [Open up your skull, Ill be there climbing up the walls] You’re a dick and I’m tired of your dicketry! ~Stan

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– TATTOO=stained glass on my soul Contact me for your shop insurance needs http://home.att.net/~tat-ins/ Well put, and I  totally agree. I don’t think Lao Tzu (or Chuang Tzu) had any clergy in mind… Where did you study Eastern Philosophy? I did 5 years of that and East Asian studies in Ghent, Belgium, where I, incidentally, saw the Jim Rose Circus in 1988 or thereabouts and was very impressed. I also lived 3 years in China, studying and working.

This should be fun, Who’s got the biggest credentials dick waving contest. R

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This should be fun, Who’s got the biggest credentials dick waving contest. R

Answering my own post dam i’m asn idiot, I forgot to mention the eroic wins cuz he’s cooler and we’ve seen his penis. R

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Dear Ray, I realize wellacademic credentials don’t mean much in this country (though they do give people a fake sense of credibility), but I feel that having at least some sort of background on a certain topic helps when discussing it. Therefore, I mentioned mine, without putting down anyone else. Autodidact people are often much smarter, I know. And I don’t really feel the need to get into waving my penis, by the way. I didn’t realize that some people in this newsgroup are more into making smug remarks ("I have little to say about anything substantial, and because I have so much time on my hands I post useless messages about other people’s messages…") rather than talking about interesting topics, which I assume is what Erik (among others) likes to do. Anyway, thanks for the input. Bob (not an intellectual snob) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This should be fun, Who’s got the biggest credentials dick waving contest. R Answering my own post dam i’m asn idiot, I forgot to mention the eroic wins cuz he’s cooler and we’ve seen his penis. R

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see that’s what I thought. Now I asked because I saw this daoist monk in China (Wuhan) who had an awesome little tattoo (not a character) on the inside of his wrist that looked a little like a rune, sort of like the ancient water character… ??

Also it could have been the character meaning eternity which looks quite a lot like the water character. The only difference between the two is a stroke on top of the character and a notch on top of the middle stroke. The symbol for eternity is also the traditional kalligraphical practising symbol as it has almost all the basic brush strokes. -Pauli Nurmenkari

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you fucking cunt. don’t post in html, and don’t post binaries, fuckwit. j

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Dear Ray, I realize wellacademic credentials don’t mean much in this country (though

they Um Bob, take a big deep breath and relax, It was humor/whimsy. Ray

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Five people, not bad, but we could have done better ; This was actually a double munch because we ate twice We all met at my place around 1 pm on Saturday, I had prepared some food, and at around 3:30, we left to go to the convention. It was at a new location this year and I was curious to see how it turned out because it could only get better . Well, it was better. The hall was big, there were big spaces between the rows of booths, and the air was much better than last year . There were much less "silver jewelry-cheap knives-belt buckles" type of booths. Lots of local and regional studios (reassuring me once again that there are no good studios in Hannover), few well-known ones, except for Waldi from Austria and Lyle Tuttle (well, all we saw of him was his back, in the "VIP Lounge" , a secluded artists-only area). His booth was occupied by Tanja Nicklisch who had done a Kandinsky piece on Manfred, one of the munchers, a few years ago. And, surprise! We met HELMUT, who recognized me (after a hint) and was glad to hear that my rook had healed . We compared our wedding rings . He didn’t pierce at the convention though, so no spur-of-the-moment hole-in-the-ear for me . I did get a 14 ga CBR for my tragus at the Wildcat booth. The contests were "refreshingly unprofessional" with the announcer adjusting the lighting himself, not improving anything. I didn’t enter the contest, although my dragonfly tattoo was "always worth a second look", as the other munchers told me after observing passers-by, and once I got pulled into a piercing jewelry booth (Body Shock) and had to show off the tattoo . In between the different contest categories, they had a really boring strip show. I think we left at around 7 pm, and went to a steak restaurant for some more food. We sat there until about 11:30, and our conversation topics cycled about like this: tattoos-computers-piercing-computers-piercing-tattoos-computers On our way to my place, we dropped Andreas off at his hotel, and I had three men stay overnight while my husband was out of town ;^) Manfred, Bernd and Frank left on Sunday after breakfast which was more like a brunch due to the time, and Andreas stayed longer because his flight was leaving pretty late. As always, it was fun meeting fellow rabbits, and we hope (at least some of us) to meet in Berlin on December 6. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur http://www.critterwoman.de The progress of the German bodyart newsgroup: http://www.01019freenet.de/bodyart/

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We all met at my place around 1 pm on Saturday, I had prepared some food, and at around 3:30, we left to go to the convention.

Thanks again for the great food. I’m pretty sure Thomas will be jealous to hear that the chocolate-sauerkraut-cake he missed was simply great <g There were much less "silver jewelry-cheap knives-belt buckles" type of booths.

But there was one booth with a really scary sign: "Nose gunning: 20 DM [about $10] including jewellery". Aaargh. And, surprise! We met HELMUT, who recognized me (after a hint) and was glad to hear that my rook had healed .

And he was quite surprised to meet me there since he knows that I usually live next to him, so we had to tell him about munch tradition. [munching] our conversation topics cycled about like this: tattoos-computers-piercing-computers-piercing-tattoos-computers

Better little than no change at all Manfred, Bernd and Frank left on Sunday after breakfast which was more like a brunch due to the time, and Andreas stayed longer because his flight was leaving pretty late.

The aircraft flew quite low, the heavy turbulences were fun, the reading lights which randomly turned on and off due to some kind of short circuit were thrilling, the champagne was okay. BTW, your acrylic mini-plug easily slided through my lobe when I tried it today. I’ll donate some jewellery of your choice next time. Except diamonds though Andreas — The progress of the German-speaking bodyart newsgroup: http://www.01019freenet.de/bodyart/

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Thanks again for the great food. I’m pretty sure Thomas will be jealous to hear that the chocolate-sauerkraut-cake he missed was simply great <g

Most of the rest of it was devoured by my lab colleagues today . There were much less "silver jewelry-cheap knives-belt buckles" type of booths. But there was one booth with a really scary sign: "Nose gunning: 20 DM [about $10] including jewellery". Aaargh.

No, what was scary were the people exclaiming "Oh look, only 20 DM!" (Helmut) And he was quite surprised to meet me there since he knows that I usually live next to him, so we had to tell him about munch tradition.

We need to get him to post [munching] our conversation topics cycled about like this: tattoos-computers-piercing-computers-piercing-tattoos-computers Better little than no change at all

I didn’t mean to say it was bad, just funny The aircraft flew quite low, the heavy turbulences were fun, the reading lights which randomly turned on and off due to some kind of short circuit were thrilling, the champagne was okay.

Yeah, better than hitting a brigde while taking the train BTW, your acrylic mini-plug easily slided through my lobe when I tried it today.

Great! I didn’t think 0.2 mm would make a difference I’ll donate some jewellery of your choice next time. Except diamonds though

Muahaha. Go to http://www.spiritone.com/~organic/  and become familiar with the prices of custom made hardwood plugs ;- It’s not really necessary. That plug would just have been collecting dust in my drawer Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                                Louis Pasteur http://www.critterwoman.de Bodyart discussions in German in de.rec.misc!

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Welcome to rec.arts.bodyart. If you are new or have questions, please visit these sites BEFORE you post your question here. I. Body-art FAQs (frequently asked questions and answers)   A. Piercing FAQ: info on procedure, healing, jewelry, professionals, &c.         <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/piercing-faq/   B. Tattoo FAQ: info on procedure, care, removal, &c.         <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/tattoo-faq/ II. Experiences and Photos:   A. BME (Body Modification E-zine), including experiences, pictures,      body-art related articles:         <http://www.bmezine.com III. R.A.B.-related information:   A. The rec.arts.bodyart survival guide:         <http://www.mutilation.net/yttrx/rabsurv.html   B. The Welcome and Netiquette FAQ, and RAB Charter:         <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/netiquette/   C. RAB sites:      1. The RABbit Hole: the official site of RAB, with links to the         faqs, munches, &c.            <http://www.rabbithole.org/      2. The Slug Fest: the "backstage" view of RAB            <http://www.ambient.on.ca/spako/   D. Frequently recommended resources:      1. The "Almost Complete Body Piercing Links List", with links to         piercing-related sites organized by category:            <http://www.piercinglinks.com   E. This list on the WWW:         <http://www.bmeworld.com/myrrh/rab.html IV. WWW and USENET resources:   A. Dejanews, a searchable archive of usenet posts:   B. WWW search engines (many exist, these are two):      <http://www.altavista.com <http://www.yahoo.com The answer to almost any question related to bodyart can be found in either the FAQs or on BME; others are readily answered with a quick DejaNews or web search.  We welcome all inquiries beyond the scope of these on-line resources; however, if you cannot be bothered to look for the answer yourself, please do not expect us to be bothered to find it for you. With that said, Welcome! And enjoy your time on r.a.b! — last modified Sun Sep 19 15:09:09 CDT 1999 by myrrh Please direct all comments/questions/suggestions regarding this auto-post to rec.arts.bodyart for discussion.

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What would the purpose of this newsgroup be if we can’t ask questions etc?, seems like anything you want to know are in those web pages which would make this NG worthless. Just an opinion… Bodyart Help wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Welcome to rec.arts.bodyart. If you are new or have questions, please visit these sites BEFORE you post your question here.

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What would the purpose of this newsgroup be if we can’t ask questions etc?, seems like anything you want to know are in those web pages which would make this NG worthless.

All legitimate newsgroups have FAQ’s.  If you had bothered to read the survival guide, you would have found that the purpose of this newsgroup IS NOT TO ANSWER *YOUR* QUESTIONS, BUTTHEAD! The purpose of this newsgroup is to have detailed conversations on the subject of body art covering things that are NOT covered in the FAQs.   This newsgroup is not for newbie questions.  If you want to know how much its going to fucking hurt to get your tongue pierced, stick a goddamned fork in it. p0ok

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This newsgroup is not for newbie questions.  If you want to know how much its going to fucking hurt to get your tongue pierced, stick a goddamned fork in it.

How much does it hurt to stick a fork in my tongue, p0ok?  Maybe we should add that to the FAQ now. WyrdWoman www.mindspring.com/~amy.webb/

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Welcome to rec.arts.bodyart. If you are new or have questions, please visit these sites BEFORE you post your question here. – FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions and Answers), including the   Welcome FAQ, Piercing FAQ, Tattooing FAQ; full of information   about procedure, healing, professionals, etc:      <http://www.rabbithole.org/faqpage.html – BME (Body Modification E-zine), including experiences, pictures,   body-art related articles:      <http://www.bmezine.com – The rec.arts.bodyart survival guide:      <http://www.mutilation.net/yttrx/rabsurv.html – The "Almost Complete Body Piercing Links List", with links   to piercing-related sites organized by category:      <http://www.piercinglinks.com – Dejanews, a searchable archive of usenet posts: – WWW search engines (many exist, these are two):      <http://www.altavista.com <http://www.yahoo.com The answer to almost any question related to bodyart can be found in either the FAQs or on BME; others are readily answered with a quick DejaNews or web search.  We welcome all inquiries beyond the scope of these on-line resources; however, if you cannot be bothered to look for the answer yourself, please do not expect us to be bothered to find it for you. With that said, Welcome! And enjoy your time on r.a.b!

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Welcome to rec.arts.bodyart. If you are new or have questions, please visit these sites BEFORE you post your question here. I. Body-art FAQs (frequently asked questions and answers)   A. Piercing FAQ: info on procedure, healing, jewelry, professionals, &c.         <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/piercing-faq/   B. Tattoo FAQ: info on procedure, care, removal, &c.         <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/tattoo-faq/ II. Experiences and Photos:   A. BME (Body Modification E-zine), including experiences, pictures,      body-art related articles:         <http://www.bmezine.com III. R.A.B.-related information:   A. The rec.arts.bodyart survival guide:         <http://www.mutilation.net/yttrx/rabsurv.html   B. The Welcome and Netiquette FAQ, and RAB Charter:         <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/netiquette/   C. RAB sites:      1. The RABbit Hole: the official site of RAB, with links to the         faqs, munches, &c.            <http://www.rabbithole.org/      2. The Slug Fest: the "backstage" view of RAB            <http://www.ambient.on.ca/spako/   D. Frequently recommended resources:      1. The "Almost Complete Body Piercing Links List", with links to         piercing-related sites organized by category:            <http://www.piercinglinks.com IV. WWW and USENET resources:   A. Dejanews, a searchable archive of usenet posts:   B. WWW search engines (many exist, these are two):      <http://www.altavista.com <http://www.yahoo.com The answer to almost any question related to bodyart can be found in either the FAQs or on BME; others are readily answered with a quick DejaNews or web search.  We welcome all inquiries beyond the scope of these on-line resources; however, if you cannot be bothered to look for the answer yourself, please do not expect us to be bothered to find it for you. With that said, Welcome! And enjoy your time on r.a.b! — last modified Tue Jul 27 21:49:21 CDT 1999 by myrrh Please direct all comments/questions/suggestions regarding this auto-post to rec.arts.bodyart for discussion.

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Welcome to rec.arts.bodyart. If you are new or have questions, please visit these sites BEFORE you post your question here.

I think it looks great.  Very concise. I added it here, even tho I doubt anyone will need it from there.  (just as another archive) http://www.bmeworld.com/rebekah/welcome.html ~ Rebekah http://www.bmeworld.com/rebekah/reasked-home.html "The glass is always half-empty. And cracked. And I just cut my lip on it. And chipped a tooth."   janeane garafolo AOL now has kill files for online readers

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wait….so…basically, you guys dont want any new people coming?? Just wondering cuz I mean…well i was just wondering

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wait….so…basically, you guys dont want any new people coming?? Just wondering cuz I mean…well i was just wondering

We want them to go look at those URLs FIRST, linthead. p0ok

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wait….so…basically, you guys dont want any new people coming?? Just wondering cuz I mean…well i was just wondering Reading comprehension is something that you should have mastered in grade school. …I’d love to be the one to disappoint you when I don’t fall down…

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wait….so…basically, you guys dont want any new people coming?? Just wondering cuz I mean…well i was just wondering

Like, you know, we don’t like dumbasses coming in here and acting all immature and stupid, cuz I mean it’s like really annoying… we be all filled up with idiots, so peeps who want to ask questions and not get slammed should just, you know, read the fucking FAQ!!! Like… yeah. Sara — http://welcome.to/sarasworld "you can look at my cover all you want.  there’s even a bunch of pictures  on it to help you figure out what’s inside." – josh burdette, 4/16/99

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yes i see, everyone in this newsgroup has to be such a dick right??

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yes i see, everyone in this newsgroup has to be such a dick right??

*Right! They actually EARNED the right to be and know how…by reading the FAQ’s. Nobody prevents you from becoming the next best dick around. TROLL! Corine "For four-fifths of our history, our planet was populated by pond scum."                       — J.W. Schopf to reply switch JustKermit for frog-n-clog at mindspring

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yes i see, everyone in this newsgroup has to be such a dick right??

Well, since you can’t seem to quote like an intelligent poster, I’ll never be quite sure, but… are you referring to me as a dick? I wanted to be an idiot like Nina. <pout Sara — http://welcome.to/sarasworld "you can look at my cover all you want.  there’s even a bunch of pictures  on it to help you figure out what’s inside." – josh burdette, 4/16/99

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<<Yes, you were. But that seems to be the way this group is going. Unfortunate, really, it used to be a good place to get information. Now it’s just a place to learn how to insult people. Keep in mind that certain new people may be sending incredibly nasty, unprovoked, and grammatically incorrect letters to certain regular RABbits after a tongue-in-cheek general reference to college students’ habit of wearing dirty jeans (not directed at anyone, really, and just the one line), and thus wholeheartedly deserve any subsequent wallop they receive in public. Such behaviour isn’t particularly endearing.  Luckily, I have now a nice e-mail filter to catch such nasty, unprovoked, and grammatically incorrect letters, should I receive any more from a certain AOL address in the future. -Meghan http://nettrash.com/users/meghan/enter.html "I think, therefore I’m single."  — Liz Winston

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<Yes, you were. But that seems to be the way this group is going. Unfortunate, really, it used to be a good place to get information. Now it’s just a place to learn how to insult people. Keep in mind that certain new people may be sending incredibly nasty, unprovoked, and grammatically incorrect letters to certain regular RABbits after a tongue-in-cheek general reference to college students’ habit of wearing dirty jeans (not directed at anyone, really, and just the one line), and thus wholeheartedly deserve any subsequent wallop they receive in public. Such behaviour isn’t particularly endearing.  Luckily, I have now a nice e-mail filter to catch such nasty, unprovoked, and grammatically incorrect letters, should I receive any more in the future.

dammit i was wondering why you weren’t answering my email — luke http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/7221 "and she’d call me an ugly american…"       — Blues Traveler

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<<Well, since you can’t seem to quote like an intelligent poster, I’ll never be quite sure, but… are you referring to me as a dick? No, that was a typo.  She meant "duck." <<I wanted to be an idiot like Nina. ‘Scuse me, babe, but *I* was the *original* idiot, as decreed by She of the Holy Lip Gloss. << <pout [Meghan waves the magical Idiot Stick, and waps Sara gently on the head.] You are now One Of Us. -Meghan http://nettrash.com/users/meghan/enter.html "I think, therefore I’m single."  — Liz Winston

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It’s for this reason that people make references available; an example is a telephone book, so that you don’t need to bother the operator every time you need a number,

Sarah, get me the police!  Thank you, Sarah. WyrdWoman www.mindspring.com/~amy.webb/

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yes i see, everyone in this newsgroup has to be such a dick right??

*** I really like you. You know how to tell people off. How did you hone that tongue to such razor sharpness? And it’s not a newsgroup! It’s a *board*, but that’s ok. BTW, skrew the FAQ. You don’t need it. These people are always YAMMERING about FAQ this and FAQ that. It’s like a some snobby thing. Right? Keep up the great work. — k e i t h   a l e x a n d e r w w w . n o o t r o p e . n e t www.modernamerican.com a p p   n y c – e n d   t r a n s m i s s i o n –

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wait….so…basically, you guys dont want any new people coming?? Just wondering cuz I mean…well i was just wondering

of course we want new people.  we just want intelligent people, that’s all. but you have potential. i think. david StickNeedlesInMe at aol dot com When, When I am a man, I will be an astronaut, and find Peter Pan Second Star on the right, Straight on ’til morning.     –Kate Bush, "In Search of Peter Pan" (from Lionheart), 1978

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slalomgrl9 complained: yes i see, everyone in this newsgroup has to be such a dick right??

looks like you hit the nail on the dickhead!  get used to it if you want to stay here. david StickNeedlesInMe at aol dot com When, When I am a man, I will be an astronaut, and find Peter Pan Second Star on the right, Straight on ’til morning.     –Kate Bush, "In Search of Peter Pan" (from Lionheart), 1978

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well no one really gave me a chance, i was bombarded with criticism…

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And it’s not a newsgroup! It’s a *board*, but that’s ok.

LOL

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well no one really gave me a chance, i was bombarded with criticism…

Yes, you were. But that seems to be the way this group is going. Unfortunate, really, it used to be a good place to get information. Now it’s just a place to learn how to insult people. Dana Bitch 16  Wench 22  BS 23 ‘96 FXDS-Conv "Roxie"

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well no one really gave me a chance, i was bombarded with criticism… Yes, you were. But that seems to be the way this group is going. Unfortunate, really, it used to be a good place to get information. Now it’s just a place to learn how to insult people.

*** Oh come on now, stop it. You can learn OODLES around here if you have .5 of a brain. There are plenty of people here that help. And being told *USE A FUCKING SEARCH ENGINE, DUMBASS*, is actually a very good lesson. If yer not such an dumbass that you miss the point, that is. give a person a clue, they eat for a day, teach a person how to find clues, they eat for a lifetime. Or something. Please, admit that some people are just a little, um, well, they lack a little more common sense than most and are often a little too young to be running around on usenet, unsupervised. Be nice Dana, teach little miss manners to cut and paste/quote, will ya? And you HAVE to admit she deserved it. JUST like a handfull (heh) of others, SINCE DAY FRIGGING ONE. All we have out here, is our WORDS, pepooooooooole. Think as you type. If you come here sounding/typing like a mallrat, troll or whathaveyou, you’ll get treated less goodly. AND DON’T TELL ME WE HAVE TO BE NICE ALL THE FRIGGING TIME. We all have our own, little breaking points. — k e i t h   a l e x a n d e r w w w . n o o t r o p e . n e t www.modernamerican.com a p p   n y c – e n d   t r a n s m i s s i o n –

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wait….so…basically, you guys dont want any new people coming?? Just wondering cuz I mean…well i was just wondering

{deep breath} Let me attempt to explain, just once. It takes a *lot* of patience for a person to answer the same questions again and again. The fact is that it gets quite boring to explain things repeatedly. It’s for this reason that people make references available; an example is a telephone book, so that you don’t need to bother the operator every time you need a number, or a directory in a mall, so you don’t have to bother other shopkeepers when looking for a store. It would get *very* tedious for the operators/shopkeepers/RAB netizens to answer the same question over and over to all the people who come by. I like to think of the Read This First as a sort of RAB map. It tells people where to go to get the answers to the questions most of them have. The FAQs and BME are hugely valuable resources which several people have devoted a lot of time and effort to maintain. The "Read This First" is meant to point newbies to such resources which they may not have known about. The "Read This First" does say this: “We welcome all inquiries beyond the scope of these on-line resources” — we really do enjoy a new face. However, we’re not an answering service, and many of those who are regulars here resent being used as such. That’s all. In short: read the suggested reading first, come back here, lurk a while, and observe the dynamic. If you can see a role for yourself in this little circus, join. We are welcoming to new people, when those new people have shown enough interest to learn and contribute. myrrh (strike strike.)

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M [Meghan waves the magical Idiot Stick, and waps Sara gently on the M head.] M You are now One Of Us.         WE ACCEPT HER, WE ACCEPT HER         ONE OF US. ONE OF US. lish 33.2% / 32

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M [Meghan waves the magical Idiot Stick, and waps Sara gently on the M head.] M You are now One Of Us.         WE ACCEPT HER, WE ACCEPT HER         ONE OF US. ONE OF US.

I second that! After all, she’s a fashion victim for getting a dragonfly tattoo ; Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur http://www.critterwoman.de German bodyart newsgroup forum: http://www.dencity.com/forums/forums.asp?username=critterwoman

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*** Oh come on now, stop it.

Excuse me? Please, admit that some people are just a little, um, well, they lack a little more common sense than most and are often a little too young to be running around on usenet, unsupervised.

Of course. But they can’t all be perfect like you, Keith. Be nice Dana, teach little miss manners to cut and paste/quote, will ya?

Sorry, Keith, I have no more time for any of this. And you HAVE to admit she deserved it. JUST like a handfull (heh) of others, SINCE DAY FRIGGING ONE.

Maybe she did. I don’t think she deserved it from forty different people. Yes, some of the newbies need to be taught netiquette. But I’ve had enough of the constant cheap shots and insults. Big deal, you can all out-insult each other. Have a blast. All we have out here, is our WORDS, pepooooooooole. Think as you type. If you come here sounding/typing like a mallrat, troll or whathaveyou, you’ll get treated less goodly. AND DON’T TELL ME WE HAVE TO BE NICE ALL THE FRIGGING TIME.

I would never have said that. I am not a mallrat or a troll. And I’m not 18 years old. But I guess it’s ok for you to tell *me* to be nice, at the very beginning of your post. We all have our own, little breaking points.

Yep, and I’m past mine. I was waiting for Gol to get back to take my leave, but this is too much of a waste of time. It’s been real, and it’s been fun….. Dana Bitch 16  Wench 22  BS 23 ‘96 FXDS-Conv "Roxie"

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Please feel free to ask any question you want in this news group!  We are here to help  with anything you have to ask.  Please ignore the post before this one.  We want all the questions you can ask…. Thanks

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(Ink3936) writes: Please feel free to ask any question you want in this news group!  We are here to help  with anything you have to ask.  Please ignore the post before this one.  We want all the questions you can ask…. Thanks

Okay, Ink, you have officially left the realm of shear idiocy and entered the land of idiot trolls. Aside from damn near everything you post being wrong (the above included) you have some incapability of understanding how or why people have a problem with you. My god is it possible to operate a keyboard with so few functioning brain cells, or do you dictate and let someone else type. I realize you won’t lurk but at least learn some truths before spouting off, or better yet start your own group Rec.Arts.CrappyTattoos-n-bad-advice. — Chumley The Happy Clown "Can’t shake the devil’s hand and say you’re only kidding…" —- TMBG

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i’m new to this site but I was wondering how I can go about finding a body piercer with at least 2-3 years expiriance for my shop as soon as possible

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(Melis7720) writes: i’m new to this site

Newsgroup, dear.  Go read this: http://www.aol.com/netfind/scoop/newsgroup_etiquette.html And this: http://www.aol.com/netfind/scoop/newsgroup_glossary.html but I was wondering how I can go about finding a body piercer with at least 2-3 years expiriance for my shop as soon as possible

Can’t help you there.  Sorry. — *sarahmonster ^..^<

http://rhapsodee.org

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Melis7720   wrote   i’m new to this site but I was wondering how I can go about finding a body piercer with at least 2-3 years expiriance for my shop as soon as

possible app has a job board- safepiercing.org erik dakota’s co. has a job board- newvisionbodyjewelry.com or maybe post a new question once, asking for a piercer. if noone replies, stop, don’t keep asking. where is the shop, requirements other than piercing for 2-3 yrs. etc. good luck scott

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i’m new to this site but I was wondering how I can go about finding a body piercer with at least 2-3 years expiriance for my shop as soon as possible

hmmm.  let’s see.  uh, maybe place a want ad?  in the paper?  or online? nah, why do any of that?  you can just come in here and ask us.  surely we know where all the piercers with 2-3 yrs of experiEnce are.  uh, no. but thanks for playing. david http://hometown.aol.com/stickneedlesinme/myhomepage/index.html I’ll be impressed when somebody puts out a cigarette in his *eye*.  While on a unicycle.   Playing "Lady of Spain" on pan pipes.   –Meghan, rec.arts.bodyart 11/22/99

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Since a few people have been nagging me about wanting to see the wings better, I decided to try and use the scanner. I finally managed, without damaging myself or the equipment, to scan the dragonfly . Note how the tattoo looks a bit distorted: I have skoliosis, the tattoo looks straight when I’m standing up Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                                Louis Pasteur http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman

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http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman/bodyart.html nina wrote Since a few people have been nagging me about wanting to see the wings better, I decided to try and use the scanner. I finally managed, without damaging myself or the equipment, to scan the dragonfly .

the wings are great its body is AMAZING. ~ rebekah http://www.bmeworld.com/rebekah/reasked-home.html "The glass is always half-empty. And cracked. And I just cut my lip on it. And chipped a tooth."   janeane garafolo AOL now has kill files for online readers

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nina wrote Since a few people have been nagging me about wanting to see the wings better, I decided to try and use the scanner. I finally managed, without damaging myself or the equipment, to scan the dragonfly .

      Very neat!             -Kelli

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NB Since a few people have been nagging me about wanting to see the wings NB better, I decided to try and use the scanner. I finally managed,         nice. are those touches of white in the wings?         i am pleased. you remain in my good graces. lish 32.1% / 32

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Good thing it was not one of those scanners with a document feeder. Geoffrey

: Since a few people have been nagging me about wanting to see the wings : better, I decided to try and use the scanner. I finally managed, : without damaging myself or the equipment, to scan the dragonfly . : Note how the tattoo looks a bit distorted: I have skoliosis, the : tattoo looks straight when I’m standing up : : Nina : — : C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot. :                                Louis Pasteur : : http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman

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Since a few people have been nagging me about wanting to see the wings better, I decided to try and use the scanner. I finally managed, without damaging myself or the equipment, to scan the dragonfly . Note how the tattoo looks a bit distorted: I have skoliosis, the tattoo looks straight when I’m standing up

Oh, wow, wow, wow! Those wings are so detailed! I am most definitely envious. It is very beautiful, Nina. You make me want to scan my breasts. Maybe I can do that this weekend with my visiting RABbits hiding my naked chest from view of the security cameras and prying eyes of the attendant at the public lab… Sara, proud owner of lots of little dragonfly goodies, like hairclips and tank tops — http://welcome.to/sarasworld

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   nice. are those touches of white in the wings?    i am pleased. you remain in my good graces.

I guess that means I can put away the razors, ropes and guns now Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                                Louis Pasteur http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman

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Good thing it was not one of those scanners with a document feeder.

That would not have been a problem Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                                Louis Pasteur http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman

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You make me want to scan my breasts.

I don’t think anyone has ever said that to me Please try Sara, proud owner of lots of little dragonfly goodies, like hairclips and tank tops

Unfortunately, the craze hasn’t made it over here. But I saw "my" dragonfly by a lake today Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                                Louis Pasteur http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman

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My dragonfly tattoo is finished . I went and got the final four hours and 15 minutes -5 hours counting the breaks for Sting’s prolapsed disks and my brownies . My T-shirt stuck to it overnight and I inadvertently pulled it (the shirt) off when I got up this morning . It didn’t hurt, so I hope there was no damage done. I have started the clinical trial on hemp oil for aftercare . The body shop started carrying the hemp oil products recently- like I had expected, the Americans were our guinea pigs I’ll try to have Steffen take pictures today. But since we don’t own a digital camera, it will take a few days. Thanks to Geoffrey and Thomas Leisch for giving me their opinion on my ideas, and to Geoffrey for an almost FBI- worthy background- check on Sting ). Now the rest of me looks kind of bare… Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                                Louis Pasteur http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman

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My dragonfly tattoo is finished .

Yay! Dragonflies are beautiful. I think that the one you picked from your guides was absolutely gorgeous. I can’t wait to see pictures. Congratulations. My T-shirt stuck to it overnight and I inadvertently pulled it (the shirt) off when I got up this morning . It didn’t hurt, so I hope there was no damage done.

I hope so, too… oh, speaking of dragonflies and t-shirts, have you noticed how popular insects are on "trendy" clothing this summer? I was looking around for a tank top with a dragonfly in about the same location as my  tattoo, just for kicks, and saw some beautiful shirts. I ended up with some nice dragonfly stuff. I have started the clinical trial on hemp oil for aftercare .

Keep us informed on your hemp oil-aided healing. I decided against trying it out on my first tattoo, and a risky one as well. My body doesn’t need new ideas on how to reject ink. Not to mention, the clerk at my local natural products store couldn’t locate a bottle of it. I’ll try to have Steffen take pictures today. But since we don’t own a digital camera, it will take a few days.

Waiting very impatiently… but feeling a little bad about not having pictures to show myself. Now the rest of me looks kind of bare…

…and the thoughts and research will begin tomorrow for the next one? I’m happy for you, Nina. Good luck healing. I’m itchy as hell, but nothing too unbearable. Sara — http://welcome.to/sarasworld "Many of today’s swing devotees are punk  fans; both movements share an interest  in dressing up and dancing hard."       — Doug Stewart, "Smithsonian"

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I hope so, too… oh, speaking of dragonflies and t-shirts, have you noticed how popular insects are on "trendy" clothing this summer? I was looking around for a tank top with a dragonfly in about the same location as my  tattoo, just for kicks, and saw some beautiful shirts. I ended up with some nice dragonfly stuff.

I haven’t noticed. Then again, I haven’t been shopping for clothes lately :} BUT- If you need dragonfly bike clothes, <shameless plug Primal Wear (www.primalwear.com) </shameless plug will have some soon. I took care of that . They’ll get lizards too. I have started the clinical trial on hemp oil for aftercare . Keep us informed on your hemp oil-aided healing. I decided against trying it out on my first tattoo, and a risky one as well. My body doesn’t need new ideas on how to reject ink. Not to mention, the clerk at my local natural products store couldn’t locate a bottle of it.

At first, our local Body Shop didn’t carry the stuff, I went to a head shop and got some pure hemp oil. It’s kind of thick, much thicker than the Body Shop stuff, so when that came out here, I got some. …and the thoughts and research will begin tomorrow for the next one?

They’ve long begun I’m happy for you, Nina. Good luck healing. I’m itchy as hell, but nothing too unbearable.

I’m not really looking forward to the itching :-} Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman

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My dragonfly tattoo is finished . I went and got the final four hours and 15 minutes -5 hours counting the breaks for Sting’s prolapsed disks and my brownies .

Congrats & happy healing! Now the rest of me looks kind of bare…

Sounds like "…but not for very long" BTW, I had an interesting talk with Helmut this week, including the convention last May. He even remembered pinching your ear Andreas

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Congrats & happy healing!

Thanks. Summer sucks for tattoos… I’d have had it done much earlier i Sting hadn’t been to the US and in hospital. Now the rest of me looks kind of bare… Sounds like "…but not for very long"

Yep. Until the right idea and a bag of money hit me BTW, I had an interesting talk with Helmut this week, including the convention last May. He even remembered pinching your ear

Hee hee . You can tell him it’s doing fine. Why, if I may ask, were you there? Getting more piercings done? Addicted??? Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman

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Yep. Until the right idea and a bag of money hit me

Already tried to train your bacteria and sell them to a circus? BTW, I had an interesting talk with Helmut this week, [...] Why, if I may ask, were you there? Getting more piercings done? Addicted???

Yes, definitely! Well, after we finished browsing through his box of "office compatible" stuff, I left with a 14ga stud through my left lobe. He said my lobes are good candidates for stretching, so maybe, some day, as soon as I have successfully distributed your Bad Influence ™ at work… Andreas

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Yep. Until the right idea and a bag of money hit me Already tried to train your bacteria and sell them to a circus?

I’m still busy with Geoff’s day-glo Percheron horse Yes, definitely! Well, after we finished browsing through his box of "office compatible" stuff, I left with a 14ga stud through my left lobe. He said my lobes are good candidates for stretching,

Cool! My right ear is now at 0 ga, which is where I’ll stop. Really. . I don’t want the shape of my earlobes to change. so maybe, some day, as soon as I have successfully distributed your Bad Influence ™ at work…

Here, have some more <sprinkle: how about a navel piercing? Pretty unnoticeable, and unusual on men. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                                Louis Pasteur http://members.xoom.com/critterwoman

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: : I’m still busy with Geoff’s day-glo Percheron horse : If you accomplish this AND the horse can pass the vet check in customs OR you simply send the appropriate sticks of semen and they take as advertised OR a pregnant Mare that foals as advertise and passes the vet check … I promise that I will pay for any and all tattoos that you may require. Yes, I do recognize that getting a day glow horse to pass through customs could be more difficult than actually produce one.  So … if you come to this country and produce a day-glo Percheron for me, then I will fund 1/2 the cost of any tattoos you may require. This is a most solemn promise. : Here, have some more <sprinkle: how about a navel piercing? Pretty : unnoticeable, and unusual on men. : I have a 6ga in my navel. Geoffrey

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Cool! My right ear is now at 0 ga, which is where I’ll stop. Really. . I don’t want the shape of my earlobes to change.

You lost, Nina. You can’t use that lobe for holding a chopstick at any further munches since it will fall through Here, have some more <sprinkle: how about a navel piercing? Pretty unnoticeable, and unusual on men.

Hmmm… I think I will have a break on "peripheral" piercings for now since it’s already quite tricky to put a T-shirt on and off while having to take care of both nipples, my septum and a lobe while all of them are not healed yet. But thanks for the suggestion anyway, I will consider that one at a later time Andreas

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My dragonfly tattoo is finished .

Congrats Nina!!   =:)) ….oh, today we have more than 30