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Why is it that so many people on Usenet have to be so rude? It can be rather offputting to those who are new to this exciting medium. So often, I see posts from people championing the right to freedom of speech and the ‘anarchic’ nature of usenet. Yet, as soon as someone steps out of line, people come down on them like a ton of bricks. I have x-posted this to a number of newsgroups which I have visited on occasion. Many regular posters on these groups are very friendly and tolerant. But there is a hard core of regulars who have obviously got something wide and long wedged up their rear-ends. How else can one explain their intolerance? So, I would appeal to the intolerant few to be a little more charitable when replying to "newbies". It is neither big nor clever to "flame" people or to post them long emails full of quite disgusting insults – yes, you people on alt.tasteless know who you are. Let’s have a little more give and take on usenet, please. Thank you. — Samantha Hotchkins (mother of two darling little boys)
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it that so many people on Usenet have to be so rude? It can be rather offputting to those who are new to this exciting medium. So often, I see posts from people championing the right to freedom of speech and the ‘anarchic’ nature of usenet. Yet, as soon as someone steps out of line, people come down on them like a ton of bricks. I have x-posted this to a number of newsgroups which I have visited on occasion. Many regular posters on these groups are very friendly and tolerant. But there is a hard core of regulars who have obviously got something wide and long wedged up their rear-ends. How else can one explain their intolerance? So, I would appeal to the intolerant few to be a little more charitable when replying to "newbies". It is neither big nor clever to "flame" people or to post them long emails full of quite disgusting insults – yes, you people on alt.tasteless know who you are. Let’s have a little more give and take on usenet, please. Thank you.
I think the reasons behind such intolerance and general abuse are probably similar to the reasons people get caught up in road rage – namely, the level of removal from the person who is being flamed/abused etc. In just about every news group you see response posts by people saying stuff that you could bet they would never say to the originator face-to-face or even over the phone. I mean, it’s pretty unlikely that if you flamed someone on a newsgroup they’re going to show up on your doorstep and punch your lights out. Ewan Ewan Dalton, Windows NT, 95 & Exchange Server MCP Information Systems, Logica UK Limited + My employer may share these, my, opinons +
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Why is it that so many people on Usenet have to be so rude? It can be rather offputting to those who are new to this exciting medium. So often, I see posts from people championing the right to freedom of speech and the ‘anarchic’ nature of usenet. Yet, as soon as someone steps out of line, people come down on them like a ton of bricks. I have x-posted this to a number of newsgroups which I have visited on occasion. Many regular posters on these groups are very friendly and tolerant. But there is a hard core of regulars who have obviously got something wide and long wedged up their rear-ends. How else can one explain their intolerance?
I would suggest that you read some of the mails I have recently received as a newbie. They give sound advice on where I went wrong. One bad point I can highlight already is that you are wrong to choose those particular groups in combination. The body art one is particularly inaappropriate (as they are to society in general it has to be said. In the army, the "sensible" soldiers were tattoed high on the arm. Those who chose hand/forearm tattoos were remarked upon on their medical records – a high proportion go on to commit violent crime in civvy street apparently). I was mercilessly attacked last week for some quite innocent comments which were taken the wrong way. It takes all sorts I suppose. — Alan J. Packer, Alpaca Products. Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Why is it that so many people on Usenet have to be so rude? It can be rather offputting to those who are new to this exciting medium. So often, I see posts from people championing the right to freedom of speech and the ‘anarchic’ nature of usenet. Yet, as soon as someone steps out of line, people come down on them like a ton of bricks. I have x-posted this to a number of newsgroups which I have visited on occasion. Many regular posters on these groups are very friendly and tolerant. But there is a hard core of regulars who have obviously got something wide and long wedged up their rear-ends. How else can one explain their intolerance? So, I would appeal to the intolerant few to be a little more charitable when replying to "newbies". It is neither big nor clever to "flame" people or to post them long emails full of quite disgusting insults – yes, you people on alt.tasteless know who you are. Let’s have a little more give and take on usenet, please.
While I agree with your thoughts in principle, it would probably be more helpful if you directed your words more specifically. Have you experienced such problems here in rec.arts.bodyart? How so? This group is one of the most tolerant I’ve ever encountered, so I have a hard time buying a generic complaint that has been posted in at least five other groups. To lump rec.arts.bodyart in with alt.fertility and alt.tasteless does not make sense to me and weakens your message in my eyes. I hope you understand that a lot of the flaming that goes on in many newsgroups is due to the large influx of newbies that have arrived on the Net within the past year or so who have been given no guidance by their ISPs as to what constitutes proper Netiquette. I’ve experienced many of these newbies say things like, "Who cares about Netiquette, *we’re* here now and we’ll do things as we like." I’ve seen many groups I used to love to read be destroyed by the callusness of newbie activity. So, a lot of groups, r.a.b included, have taken strong measures to protect the nature of the conversation. Perhaps if you directed a specific request or complaint to each group you’re unhappy with, instead of sending a blanket message, it might be more helpful. laura Who, if I cried out, would hear me among the angels’ hierarchies? And even if one of them pressed me suddenly against his heart: I would be consumed in that overwhelming existence. For beauty is nothing but the beginning of terror, Which we are just able to endure, And we are so awed because it serenely disdains to annihilate us. Every angel is terrifying. –Rainer Maria Rilke Laura Bryannan http://www.isp.nwu.edu/~laura/
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Why is it that so many people on Usenet have to be so rude? So, I would appeal to the intolerant few to be a little more charitable when replying to "newbies". It is neither big nor clever to "flame" people or to post them long emails full of quite disgusting insults – yes, you people on alt.tasteless know who you are. Let’s have a little more give and take on usenet, please. Thank you.
Stick it up yer arse. — Arnold Schwarzenegger IS Robert Burns – Get an Ethno-Celtic Swearing Bracelet http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/7433 As recommended by LOADED – For sheep who should know better
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In the army, the "sensible" soldiers were tattoed high on the arm. Those who chose hand/forearm tattoos were remarked upon on their medical records
The original reason for this was a question of rank. Until comparatively recently only officers wore marks of rank on their forearms. Other ranks, for example lance-corporals like yourself, wore their rank on their upper arm. Officers eventually started to wear their rank on their epaulettes and, unfortunately, common soldiers have now been allowed to adopt the habit. Dave
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~ In just about every news group you see response posts by people saying stuff ~ that you could bet they would never say to the originator face-to-face or even ~ over the phone. Actually, I am always particularly careful to make sure that I say nothing here that I would not be prepared to say in a Real Life discussion. — []=- Simon Gray, in Birmingham, EU <* // _-=__-= Don’t give in to censorship – boycott The Observer _/|] ) ___ & The Guardian. (_) ___/_(___)_| http://www.mahayana.demon.co.uk/
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the army, the "sensible" soldiers were tattoed high on the arm. Those who chose hand/forearm tattoos were remarked upon on their medical records The original reason for this was a question of rank. Until comparatively recently only officers wore marks of rank on their forearms. Other ranks, for example lance-corporals like yourself, wore their rank on their upper arm. Officers eventually started to wear their rank on their epaulettes and, unfortunately, common soldiers have now been allowed to adopt the habit. Dave
Thank you Dave. I never knew that. — Alan J. Packer, Alpaca Products.
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~ In just about every news group you see response posts by people saying stuff ~ that you could bet they would never say to the originator face-to-face or even ~ over the phone. Actually, I am always particularly careful to make sure that I say nothing here that I would not be prepared to say in a Real Life discussion.
I usually try to do the same on the internet. The only problem is that even with "emoticons", i.e. :-, certain concepts like sarcasm (which I use everyday in face to face discussions) do not translate very well. — "By the year 2000 we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God." — Gloria Steinem
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it that so many people on Usenet have to be so rude? So, I would appeal to the intolerant few to be a little more charitable when replying to "newbies". It is neither big nor clever to "flame" people or to post them long emails full of quite disgusting insults – yes, you people on alt.tasteless know who you are. Let’s have a little more give and take on usenet, please. Thank you. Stick it up yer arse. —
oh dear..you feel for it Iain..gotcha!. Mike W.
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one.org.uk writes ~ In just about every news group you see response posts by people saying stuff ~ that you could bet they would never say to the originator face-to-face or even ~ over the phone. Actually, I am always particularly careful to make sure that I say nothing here that I would not be prepared to say in a Real Life discussion.
Me too — Alan J. Packer.
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So, I would appeal to the intolerant few to be a little more charitable when replying to "newbies". It is neither big nor clever to "flame" people or to post them long emails full of quite disgusting insults – yes, you people on alt.tasteless know who you are. Let’s have a little more give and take on usenet, please. Thank you.
Samantha, do you fancy going out clubbing one night? Anna T.R.Olson Ltd – England’s oldist sellar of odd litle bits and peices
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it that so many people on Usenet have to be so rude? <snippet on alt.tasteless know who you are. Let’s have a little more give and take on usenet, please. Thank you. Stick it up yer arse. — oh dear..you feel for it Iain..gotcha!. Mike W.
I think not, Mike. — Arnold Schwarzenegger IS Robert Burns – Get an Ethno-Celtic Swearing Bracelet http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/7433 As recommended by LOADED – For sheep who should know better
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ~ In just about every news group you see response posts by people saying stuff ~ that you could bet they would never say to the originator face-to-face or even ~ over the phone. Actually, I am always particularly careful to make sure that I say nothing here that I would not be prepared to say in a Real Life discussion. — []=- Simon Gray, in Birmingham, EU <* // _-=__-= Don’t give in to censorship – boycott The Observer _/|] ) ___ & The Guardian. (_) ___/_(___)_| http://www.mahayana.demon.co.uk/
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So, I would appeal to the intolerant few to be a little more charitable when replying to "newbies". It is neither big nor clever to "flame" people or to post them long emails full of quite disgusting insults – yes, you people on alt.tasteless know who you are. Let’s have a little more give and take on usenet, please. Thank you. Samantha, do you fancy going out clubbing one night? Anna
Sorry Anna, but due to a shortage of suitable Seals in UKoGB&NI, all clubbing-rights have been suspended by E.U. Commisionner Herr Martin Bangermann, especially as Seals don’t buy furniture and quite possibly ride nasty dangerous bikes. Or where you thinking of going clubbing in the Stone Age stereotypical way? "I don’t like your Usenet Carvings but I love your body *BASH* <f/x drag into cave" — Richard Bowles. Freelance Lighting Designer/Moving Light Idiot. Suzuki GSX-lunatic. — http://www.roadie.demon.co.uk/ <— … How’s this for diplomacy? Shoot them all! –Kirk
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~ In the army, the "sensible" soldiers were tattoed high on the arm. ~ Those who chose hand/forearm tattoos were remarked upon on their ~ medical records ~ ~ The original reason for this was a question of rank. ~ ~ Until comparatively recently only officers wore marks of rank on ~ their forearms. What about the ones who had the so called Edinburgh Tattoo ? — []=- Simon Gray, in Birmingham, EU <* // _-=__-= Don’t give in to censorship – boycott The Observer _/|] ) ___ & The Guardian. (_) ___/_(___)_| http://www.mahayana.demon.co.uk/
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~ The body art one is particularly ~ inaappropriate (as they are to society in general it has to be said. In ~ the army, the "sensible" soldiers were tattoed high on the arm. Those ~ who chose hand/forearm tattoos were remarked upon on their medical ~ records – a high proportion go on to commit violent crime in civvy ~ street apparently). What about the ones who had their dicks tattooed ? — []=- Simon Gray, in Birmingham, EU <* // _-=__-= Don’t give in to censorship – boycott The Observer _/|] ) ___ & The Guardian. (_) ___/_(___)_| http://www.mahayana.demon.co.uk/
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Why is it that so many people on Usenet have to be so rude?
Why is it that so many people on Usenet have to be so arrogant? OTOH I can’tbe bothered with this trollette. Followup-To: demon.local — <URL:http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1666 Team AMIGA Anoint, v.: To grease a king or other great functionary already sufficiently slippery. - Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil’s Dictionary"
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NO….M.D.Warren did not write this Anna….I did do a follow up though. Mike W. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -So, I would appeal to the intolerant few to be a little more charitable when replying to "newbies". It is neither big nor clever to "flame" people or to post them long emails full of quite disgusting insults – yes, you people on alt.tasteless know who you are. Let’s have a little more give and take on usenet, please. Thank you. Samantha, do you fancy going out clubbing one night? Anna T.R.Olson Ltd – England’s oldist sellar of odd litle bits and peices
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it that so many people on Usenet have to be so rude? <snippet on alt.tasteless know who you are. Let’s have a little more give and take on usenet, please. Thank you. Stick it up yer arse. — oh dear..you feel for it Iain..gotcha!. Mike W. I think not, Mike. — Iain C*mmings –
ok then..you didnt fall for it..;) MIke W.
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~ The body art one is particularly ~ inaappropriate (as they are to society in general it has to be said. In ~ the army, the "sensible" soldiers were tattoed high on the arm. Those ~ who chose hand/forearm tattoos were remarked upon on their medical ~ records – a high proportion go on to commit violent crime in civvy ~ street apparently). What about the ones who had their dicks tattooed ?
I don’t think they’d be doing anything too violent for a week or two … — leo
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T.R.Olson Ltd – England’s oldist sellar of odd litle bits and peices
Got any dictionaries? — Stuart Baldwin
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I usually try to do the same on the internet. The only problem is that even with "emoticons", i.e. :-, certain concepts like sarcasm (which I use everyday in face to face discussions) do not translate very well.
It is possible that concepts like sarcasm might not always go down very well in face to face discussions either, especially if you use them every day. — Stuart Baldwin – not a sarcasm fan
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What about the ones who had their dicks tattooed ? I don’t think they’d be doing anything too violent for a week or two …
My Brother, have ye never heard of the "itchies"…??? Tatrat
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Theoretically, long tattooing sessions could cause shock but I would think that you and your artist would probably catch on that it was time to stop before that happened. Long sessions can, however, take you ‘down’ a bit more than expected or anticipated. You can work your way up, in my experience I have found that I handle longer sittings better now than earlier. I can easily take 6-8 hours without missing a beat now, though my 13 hour stomach/ribs day left me very tired. Erik Sprague aka Snakeboy 
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