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My wife wants a white ink tattoo on the back of her neck, for starters, it would be her first tatt. We saw a woman who had one there in white and we both liked it, so I am relenting my mis-givings about her getting a tatt and I have even drawn some possible designs. Any ideas of designs would be welcome as well. If anyone has on-line pictures of white tatts, that would also be helpful. Anyway, we would like to find an artist who is anal-rententive about total sanitary conditions and experianced with white ink tatts. She also wants one above her genital region where the public hair grows (when it’s not being shaved that is), so it would be nice if the artist has experiance in that region as well. Any suggestions for such "clean-freak" artists with white-ink experiance in the San Francisco to San Jose California area? She got her nipple peircings at the Gauntlet in the Castro Dist. of San Francisco, but I don’t think they do tatts? By the way, how does one take a pencil drawing and make it ready for the artist to use? What I am doing now is to draw well over-size and then use the copier to reduce it to the proper size to fit the area. But I don’t really know what an artist will be expecting to be given for a custom design. What does the artist do with a custom design on paper? Do they free-hand it? Or do they have a process to make a template? Please clue us in, thanks. What I have drawn are pretty clear simple line-drawings depicting something of…. intimate interest to us. The drawings do not require shading-in. Thanks for any ideas and info. Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000.

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What I have drawn are pretty clear simple line-drawings depicting something of…. intimate interest to us.

it’s a tribal representation of gerbils, isn’t it? I won’t tell anyone… Thanks for any ideas and info.

I don’t have any white ink tattoos, nor do I know any artists personally in your area. A good artist will work from whatever you bring in in whatever way he deems appropriate to acheive the tattoo she desires. Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000.

oh… and yer sig file, though unique is TMI and a bit long. ok… i’m all out of info and ideas now. good luck. —Angie a.k.a. D-Strss (pull teeth to reply) "I am beginning to believe your annoyance is  something you look for."

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What I have drawn are pretty clear simple line-drawings depicting something of…. intimate interest to us. it’s a tribal representation of gerbils, isn’t it?

No, an idealised and slightly out of proportioned drawing of a female genital pierce called: triangle For SOME reason or other…. It looks like an abstract to anyone who has not seen such a pierce. I won’t tell anyone…

Good, then I don’t have to kill you. Thanks for any ideas and info. I don’t have any white ink tattoos, nor do I know any artists personally in your area.

Dang, are you even in my area? A good artist will work from whatever you bring in in whatever way he deems appropriate to acheive the tattoo she desires.

Uh, ok, but how exactly do they work? Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000. oh… and yer sig file, though unique is TMI and a bit long.

"TMI"? Too Much Info? I could have included our sexual interests too… Heck, it’s not even got half what I would like it to say. Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000.

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T My wife wants a white ink tattoo on the back of her neck, for starters, T it would be her first tatt.         sheesh. you have a LOT of questions. read the faq. try http://www.rabbithole.org.         white ink has a tendency to turn yellow. it’s all about what color undertones your skin has.         check for artists at http://compunction.dyndns.org/tattoos.html. lish 31.6% / 26

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T My wife wants a white ink tattoo on the back of her neck, forstarters, T it would be her first tatt.    sheesh. you have a LOT of questions. read the faq. try http://www.rabbithole.org.

How else does one learn quickly? Thanks, I shall.    white ink has a tendency to turn yellow. it’s all about what color undertones your skin has.

The one we saw was on a woman fairly similar in skin-tone to my wife, at least in that area and it looked fine, but was not obvious at first glance. We did not even see it untill we were all in bed and… ooops, sharing too much again… Anyway, the low-profile, the ability to have it with most people not even noticeing it is an important point for us. And when she grows her hair out long again, it will be prettyy much unseen except by us, sort of like a "private" location tatt hidden in plain sight…. Also the way you have to look at the pattern for a bit to really see it fully, fits our nature pretty well too.    check for artists at http://compunction.dyndns.org/tattoos.html.

Thanks. lish 31.6% / 26

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A good artist will work from whatever you bring in in whatever way he deems appropriate to acheive the tattoo she desires. Uh, ok, but how exactly do they work?

Well, basically, if the tattooist you go to is also an artist, they will take your design, clean it up and eliminate anything that won’t really ‘work’ for a tattoo (for instance, if you had a design of tiny little ants crawling around with little feelers and legs on a slice of fruit, they would tell you ‘all those tiny legs and feelers are gonna be blobs’), and they will look at where it’s going and size it.  They may have suggestions, they may not want to do it.  It will pay for you AND your wife to go to different artists in your area and explain what you want. Look at the portfolios and make sure you actually like what you see.  Talk to the artist who will be doing the piece and make sure you are comfortable with them, and DON’T go in ‘on a budget’ because you get what you pay for, and since she will be taking this to the grave, money really shouldn’t be much of an object. Good luck! TQ

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If anyone has on-line pictures of white tatts, that would also be helpful.

I have a picture of mine at http://iam.bmezine.com/?saram I had some trouble finding a competant local artist who would do a white ink tattoo. I settled for less than the best and got a little screwed, but I still love it. I have since found a few people (alas, not in your area) who do white like I want it. It may be hard to find an artist who is experienced with all-white work, since it’s not that common. But some artists use a lot of white in some of their pieces (hi Cat), and lay it well, and you can get an idea of their skill from that. Be forewarned that white ink may not show up pure white, and that the color it looks can depend on the shade of your skin. Over time, especially with regular exposure to the sun, it can discolor. My piece is more off-white in some areas, and whiter in others (and greyish-blue in a couple of spots probably because of the tattooist). It’s often harder to get good white results than with other colors. By the way, how does one take a pencil drawing and make it ready for the artist to use?

If the tattooist is really an "artist," (s)he will take your sketch and ideas and turn them into a design which is tattooable and which everyone is happy with. Other tattooists less involved in the design process will often take your sketch, trace it or xerox it, and make a transfer for tattooing. What I am doing now is to draw well over-size and then use the copier to reduce it to the proper size to fit the area. But I don’t really know what an artist will be expecting to be given for a custom design.

That is a terrific start. What does the artist do with a custom design on paper?

They turn it into a tattoo! Do they free-hand it? Or do they have a process to make a template?

It depends on the design and the artist. I have seen both. Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000.

You get four lines, Mike. Sara — saram AT wam.umd.edu, RANA-85 http://iam.bmezine.com/?saram [make my address kosher to reply] Go to my iam page to bid on a piece of me!

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oh… and yer sig file, though unique is TMI and a bit long. "TMI"? Too Much Info? I could have included our sexual interests too… Heck, it’s not even got half what I would like it to say.

Sig file no more than four lines!  No soup for you! —–.

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   sheesh. you have a LOT of questions. read the faq. try

T How else does one learn quickly?         by doing research on your own before relying on others. a websearch would’ve quickly turned up BME & RAB’s website. T The one we saw was on a woman fairly similar in skin-tone to my wife, T at least in that area and it looked fine, but was not obvious at first         don’t count on that. i’m very white-pale, & the whitework on my leg is still yellowish. it’s so not-white that i may have it covered… if patrick ever makes it to my state, damnit. T glance. We did not even see it untill we were all in bed and… T ooops, sharing too much again…         psst. threesomes really don’t impress anyone here. that’s better kept to yourself. T Anyway, the low-profile, the ability to have it with most people not T even noticeing it is an important point for us. And when she grows her         instead of white, perhaps consider a color similar to any light birthmarks she may have. lish 31.6% / 26

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Sig file no more than four lines!  No soup for you!

Heheh – I haven’t been getting soup since I arrived. But then I don’t personally like that rule and boycott it based on my freedom of artistic expression. =P cheers! Cat — oO$8$Oo.,oo,.oO$$88$Oo 8$:`   .8$$8.  ’;8$’ 8$.   ,8$  $8,  :8$ `8$$..8$o..o$8..;8$ http://www.catbones.com/ http://www.acid.org/

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The-Trainers schrieb: If anyone has on-line pictures of white tatts, that would also be helpful.

http://www.worldsend.ch/pages/tattoo/genziana/genziana.html Nina — http://chaotropic.net C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur

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Christ – Politically Incorrect newsgroup nightmares all over again…

Any ideas of designs would be welcome as well.

A winged penis hovering above the White House, snorting coke (in honor of our last two Presidents). She also wants one above her genital region where the public hair grows (when it’s not being shaved that is), so it would be nice if the artist has experiance in that region as well.

A decent artist will be able tow rok anywhere on the body… By the way, how does one take a pencil drawing and make it ready for the artist to use?

Hand it to them. They should be able to handle it from there. Do they free-hand it? Or do they have a process to make a template?

Yes. Some kind of transfer process, as far as I understand. The drawings do not require shading-in.

Specifically look for someone adept at fine-line drawings, then. Thanks for any ideas and info. Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000.

Right. Somebody pass me another Three Wise Men.

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[...] T The one we saw was on a woman fairly similar in skin-tone to my wife, T at least in that area and it looked fine, but was not obvious at first    don’t count on that. i’m very white-pale, & the whitework on my leg is still yellowish. it’s so not-white that i may have it covered… if patrick ever makes it to my state, damnit. [...]    instead of white, perhaps consider a color similar to any light birthmarks she may have.

Putting a drop of blue in the white ink at least partially counteracts the problem.  But it’ll all depend on how pale your skin actually is. My white tattoos are just barely off-white, and that looks chalk white unless I wear a white shirt.  But since I never wear white if I can avoid it, that doesn’t happen too often. My artist is good with white ink, but he won’t do a totally white piece (white outline and all).  It’s his opinion that white outlines don’t resist blurring as much as black.  He might be right, he really had to work the nasty, thick white pigment in to get a good color. — Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995).  Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"

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Regarding the white ink, I recently had my four dogs tattooed on me. All but one of them are predominately white. I have had the white re-done, but it’s still not as "there" as the other colors. I knew this getting the tattoo, that it might not hold as well, but outside of getting the dogs done in black, I had no choice. Keep this in mind. Marie

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B P A decent artist will be able tow rok anywhere on the body…         untrue. some artists have always worked in shops that disallow facial & hand tattoos, therefore they have no experience with that thin skin. i personally know terrific artists that are best left to the softer areas of the body simply because the amount of shading & overlapping work they put into a piece isn’t feasible to have over an ankle.         granted the nape & pubic regions aren’t that bizarre as to warrant a special search for an artist, your statement remains incorrect. lish 31.6% / 26

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She also wants one above her genital region where the public hair

^^^^^^ Your wife is the friendly type, I take it? *snicker* Sorry, bad joke. Siobhan — "She’s well liked among class-mates of both sexes. And yet, strangely, she turns my stomach." – Daria http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/donttellmewhatsizeimustb

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My artist is good with white ink, but he won’t do a totally white piece (white outline and all).  It’s his opinion that white outlines don’t resist blurring as much as black.  He might be right, he really had to work the nasty, thick white pigment in to get a good color.

It’s not whether white "blurs" or not, it doesn’t migrate once it’s put in any worse than other colors.. it’s just that it’s not as stark a contrast as darker colors and so it appears to be less distinct on the edges and in the small details. A capable tattooist can do an all white tattoo. There isn’t a lot of demand, and a lot of artists know that people will be coming back with their slightly off-white tattoo (since you’re looking down through the skin to see the white pigment, you’re seeing your own body’s melanin in the skin as well so a light "creme" color is the best that many people’s skin will show, unless we’re talking albino skin or damn near to it..) regards, Cat — oO$8$Oo.,oo,.oO$$88$Oo 8$:`   .8$$8.  ’;8$’ 8$.   ,8$  $8,  :8$ `8$$..8$o..o$8..;8$ http://www.catbones.com/ http://www.acid.org/

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She also wants one above her genital region where the public hair ^^^^^^ Your wife is the friendly type, I take it?

Well, yes, but how do you infer that from what I wrote? *snicker* Sorry, bad joke.

I didn’t get it. Siobhan

Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000.

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Christ – Politically Incorrect newsgroup nightmares all over again…

And, Pilgrim, this is PI because? Any ideas of designs would be welcome as well. A winged penis hovering above the White House, snorting coke (in honor of our last two Presidents).

Sounds way to complicated, besides, it has nothing to do with our lives, nor is it just an abstract or even a tribal. She also wants one above her genital region where the public hair grows (when it’s not being shaved that is), so it would be nice if the artist has experiance in that region as well. A decent artist will be able tow rok anywhere on the body…

Assuming they are allowed in their shop, I assume. I know some places have policies against certain types or locations. By the way, how does one take a pencil drawing and make it ready for the artist to use? Hand it to them. They should be able to handle it from there.

Ok, do I have to give it to them at 1:1 size? Or can they handle my over-sized original drawing? Do they free-hand it? Or do they have a process to make a template? Yes. Some kind of transfer process, as far as I understand.

Ah, then it would have to be 1:1 size. The drawings do not require shading-in. Specifically look for someone adept at fine-line drawings, then.

Ok, but the lines are fairly thick, just no shading-in of areas. Thanks for any ideas and info. Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000. Right.

That’s -RIGHTS<- actually. Somebody pass me another Three Wise Men.

Sorry, we don’t have any to spare. Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000.

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The-Trainers schrieb: If anyone has on-line pictures of white tatts, that would also be helpful. http://www.worldsend.ch/pages/tattoo/genziana/genziana.html

Very interesting effect of those white-lines tatts, especially under the chin. Thanks. Nina

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      sheesh. you have a LOT of questions. read the faq. try T How else does one learn quickly?    by doing research on your own before relying on others. a websearch would’ve quickly turned up BME & RAB’s website.

Ok, T The one we saw was on a woman fairly similar in skin-tone to my wife, T at least in that area and it looked fine, but was not obvious at first    don’t count on that. i’m very white-pale, & the whitework on my leg is still yellowish. it’s so not-white that i may have it covered…

Hmmm, I guess we will just have to wait and see then. if patrick ever makes it to my state, damnit.

"patrick"? Your prefered expert? T Anyway, the low-profile, the ability to have it with most people not T even noticeing it is an important point for us. And when she grows her    instead of white, perhaps consider a color similar to any light birthmarks she may have.

I don’t think she would like that as much as the white, even if it went off-white. Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000.

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oh… and yer sig file, though unique is TMI and a bit long. "TMI"? Too Much Info? I could have included our sexual interests too… Heck, it’s not even got half what I would like it to say. Sig file no more than four lines!  No soup for you!

That’s ok, I am not a big soup fan anyway. Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She also wants one above her genital region where the public hair ^^^^^^ Your wife is the friendly type, I take it? Well, yes, but how do you infer that from what I wrote? *snicker* Sorry, bad joke. I didn’t get it. Siobhan Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000.

Okay, what part of your typo ‘public’ instead of ‘pubic’ are you missing? Or does your wife indeed only have ‘public’ hair? Do you know Albert Jeffries? He’s a genius tattooer…. you might meet him on the short bus someday… you can introduce him to your wife, then. S.

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If anyone has on-line pictures of white tatts, that would also be helpful. I have a picture of mine at http://iam.bmezine.com/?saram

Yep. I saw that one, hard to tell from the photo though. I had some trouble finding a competant local artist who would do a white ink tattoo. I settled for less than the best and got a little screwed,

That’s always sad. but I still love it. I have since found a few people (alas, not in your area)

Dang, how about in Oregon or Nevada? who do white like I want it. It may be hard to find an artist who is experienced with all-white work, since it’s not that common. But some artists use a lot of white in some of their pieces (hi Cat), and lay it well, and you can get an idea of their skill from that.

I see. Be forewarned that white ink may not show up pure white, and that the

We have seen one close-up and we thought it looked just fine. color it looks can depend on the shade of your skin. Over time, especially with regular exposure to the sun, it can discolor.

We’ll keep that in mind. My piece is more off-white in some areas, and whiter in others (and greyish-blue in a couple of spots probably because of the tattooist). It’s often harder to get good white results than with other colors.

Sad to hear, it looks so …. right. By the way, how does one take a pencil drawing and make it ready for the artist to use? If the tattooist is really an "artist," (s)he will take your sketch and ideas and turn them into a design which is tattooable and which everyone is happy with.

Sounds good, still seeking a referance for an artist though. Other tattooists less involved in the design process will often take your sketch, trace it or xerox it, and make a transfer for tattooing.

With the design that I am leaning towards that would be fine, it’s a pretty clear and clean thick-line drawing. What I am doing now is to draw well over-size and then use the copier to reduce it to the proper size to fit the area. But I don’t really know what an artist will be expecting to be given for a custom design. That is a terrific start.

Thanks, I was just guessing on how to proceed. What does the artist do with a custom design on paper? They turn it into a tattoo!

LOL, that much I figured, but how was the question. Do they free-hand it? Or do they have a process to make a template? It depends on the design and the artist. I have seen both.

Opinions on which gets better results? Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000. You get four lines, Mike.

Including your name, yours is longer than that as well, mine is only longer by the last two words. Is the below mod better, it’s justmy name and four lines. Sara — saram AT wam.umd.edu, RANA-85 http://iam.bmezine.com/?saram [make my address kosher to reply] Go to my iam page to bid on a piece of me!

Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000. Is that better?

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A good artist will work from whatever you bring in in whatever way he deems appropriate to acheive the tattoo she desires. Uh, ok, but how exactly do they work? Well, basically, if the tattooist you go to is also an artist, they will take your design, clean it up and eliminate anything that won’t really ‘work’ for a tattoo

I think my thick-line drawing should be fine, no real detail, just curved thick lines and circles and arcs. (for instance, if you had a design of tiny little ants crawling around with little feelers and legs on a slice of

Yeeeeesh, we get enough ants at the house as it is, she would hate that! fruit, they would tell you ‘all those tiny legs and feelers are gonna be blobs’), and they will look at where it’s going and size it.  They may have suggestions, they may not want to do it.

Yeah, I was afraid that finding someone with white-ink experiance would be a pain or they may not want to try a 100% white-ink tatt. It will pay for you AND your wife to go to different artists in your area and explain what you want.

I guess it’s leg-work then. Look at the portfolios and make sure you actually like what you see.  Talk to the artist who will be doing the piece and make sure you are comfortable with them, and DON’T go in ‘on a budget’ because you get what you pay for,

Of course, the cost is of little importance here. and since she will be taking this to the grave, money really shouldn’t be much of an object.

It won’t be. Good luck!

Thanks, but I still have no reccomendations, I guess we will just have to go through the yellow pages one by one. See, 4 lines. Mike Trainer Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER! Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976, NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2000. Now voting ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms 2000.

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Hello I guess this would count as my delurk!!!!  So on to the question.  Back in 97 I first heard about white tattoo’s.  This caught my attention, I was very enticed.  However, aside from the mention from a friend and the section in the FAQ I have seen little else on the topic. I had put this idea on the back burner for awhile. Now that I am moving into a different stage of my life (Just completed grad school!!!!!) I have decided to pursue this!   What I would like from you, most excellent of rab’s, is any experiences.  I do have the pasty white skin as recommended in the FAQ.  Who has a white tat?  How long, and what does it look like now? Oh, and if by chance you have any URL’s for a white tat picI would be momentarily indebted….  I have never actually seen one…. Thanks all  

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(snip first part to save bandwith)   Who has a white tat?  How long, and what does it look like now? Oh, and if by chance you have any URL’s for a white tat picI would be momentarily indebted….  I have never actually seen one…. Thanks all  

My very good friend Lynn has a white buffalo on her forearm (done by Madame be "ground" into her skin, but the results were spectacular…..(sorry, got no pics to share) There is some white in my leg tattoo, but I felt no difference in it…and the Bright blessings to all — Stevie Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law…Love is the Law, Love under Will (remove "no spam" to e-mail)

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Welcome, Miss Matthias! Regarding white work: How long, and what does it look like now? Oh, and if by chance you have any URL’s for a white tat picI would be momentarily indebted….  I have never actually seen one….

http://www.best.com/~ardvark/pgfx/back1.jpg – Anne Greenblatt’s neck Question for Shannon:  I don’t have any photos of my tattoos.  Are you able to pull stills if I ever mail you that video of my acupuncture? ~ Rebekah http://www.bmeworld.com/rebekah/reasked-home.html Decorated Spice, Boston Breakfast Club/BoobCon ‘99 "Tattoos and piercing do not seem to attract moderates." ~ Geoffrey

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(snip first part to save bandwith)  Who has a white tat?  How long, and what does it look like now?

I have a white knot of eternity on my left upper wrist (outline only) and it has held up pretty good, even considering I usually forget to sunscreen it. I can see the ink in there, but it doesn’t have much contrast with my skin, and often when people actually do see it, they think it is a burn scar. It’s pretty tiny though (size of a penny), so you may have better luck with something larger. iniquity

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I guess this would count as my delurk!!!!  So on to the question.  Back in 97 I first heard about white tattoo’s.  This caught my attention, I was very enticed.  However, aside from the mention from a friend and the section in the FAQ I have seen little else on the topic. I had put this idea on the back burner for awhile. Now that I am moving into a different stage of my life (Just completed grad school!!!!!) I have decided to pursue this! What I would like from you, most excellent of rab’s, is any experiences.  I do have the pasty white skin as recommended in the FAQ.  Who has a white tat?  How long, and what does it look like now? Oh, and if by chance you have any URL’s for a white tat picI would be momentarily indebted….  I have never actually seen one….

        White ink tattoos are hard to predict how well it will show and how good it will look. When we tattoo we go under several layers of the skin, each of these layers has some pigment in it (yes even us pasty people have some pigment). The ink is seen thru this pigment. Kinda like looking at somthing thru a tinted window, the more tint, the less visible. With pale skin you chances are better that it will be visible. But, fair warning, the white may or may not appear white in your skin. Like you I am very pale, I have white in a few of my tattoos, mostly as accents. My white appears off-white to manilla colored. Also I discovered that my skin is not the same tone everywhere, in places where there are slight changes in skin color, the white appears diferently. In large areas this may make the white appear blotchy.         I met Anne Greenblat last halloween and I was amazed how great her white ink tattoos looked. She is one of thoose rare people that the white shows up perfect on. Unfortunately not everyone is so lucky. And the only way to find out how it will look on you is to get it done. If you do it please let us know how it went,                 Misha #

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    White ink tattoos are hard to predict how well it will show and how good it will look. When we tattoo we go under several layers of the skin, each of these layers has some pigment in it (yes even us pasty people have some pigment). The ink is seen thru this pigment. Kinda like looking at somthing thru a tinted window, the more tint, the less visible. With pale skin you chances are better that it will be visible. But, fair warning, the white may or may not appear white in your skin. Like you I am very pale, I have white in a few of my tattoos, mostly as accents. My white appears off-white to manilla colored. Also I discovered that my skin is not the same tone everywhere, in places where there are slight changes in skin color, the white appears diferently. In large areas this may make the white appear blotchy.    I met Anne Greenblat last halloween and I was amazed how great her white ink tattoos looked. She is one of thoose rare people that the white shows up perfect on. Unfortunately not everyone is so lucky. And the only way to find out how it will look on you is to get it done. If you do it please let us know how it went,

Misha.. You ever get clients whose skin just "eats" your white ink? I sometimes (probably 1 in 200) get people in who will take the ink just fine, but it seems to disappear almost immediately… well, not really disappear.. you can SEE that there is ink in there, but it never looks like anything other than skin tone, even when fresh. It’s most perplexing and annoying when it happens. iniquity

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   White ink tattoos are hard to predict how well it will show and how good it will look. When we tattoo we go under several layers of the skin, each of these layers has some pigment in it (yes even us pasty people have some pigment). The ink is seen thru this pigment. Kinda like looking at somthing thru a tinted window, the more tint, the less visible. With pale skin you chances are better that it will be visible. But, fair warning, the white may or may not appear white in your skin.

We found that mixing a drop of blue ink with the white before tattooing helped keep the ink from looking tan or yellow under the skin.  But white with white outline is more likely to fade into the background.  All three of my white pieces have bold black outlines, and either light blue or grey shading to give the piece some depth.   I’m lucky in that my skin takes white ink really well.  Even the piece on the back of my neck came out gorgeous.  There’s only one tiny spot where my shirt rubbed that’ll need to be touched up.  We’re talking about a maybe 1 sq cm spot.  But my artist was suprised the neck piece came out so well.  When he was working the skin, it didn’t look like the ink was taking so well.  Now that it’s healed, it’s incredibly bright and even.  He thinks it’s because the skin there is both very stretchy and quite coarse.  But it was one *long* conversation with the tattoo gods while he was working the white and blue inks in.   If you get white ink, be prepared to wear spf 45-50 sunblock all the time. — Member, Knights of Xenu (1995).  Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "There are some people who will argue whether the flames are blue or green, when the real question is that their arse is on fire."

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Lee’s post If you get white ink, be prepared to wear spf 45-50 sunblock all the time.

prompted me to finally look up this information. http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-tan.html "Meanwhile, debate continues on the necessity and effectiveness of higher SPFs. ‘I think there’s possibly some justification for SPFs up to 30. For someone with very fair skin, a 15 might not be enough,’ says Rippere. ‘But I think you get a diminishing return when you get to higher numbers. SPFs of 49 to 50 are absurd, in my view.’" For anyone who cares, there’s more FDA info about sunscreens here http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/health/sun.htm ~ Rebekah http://www.bmeworld.com/rebekah/reasked-home.html "The glass is always half-empty. And cracked. And I just cut my lip on it. And chipped a tooth."   janeane garafolo AOL now has kill files for online readers

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http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-tan.html . ‘But I think you get a diminishing return when you get to higher numbers. SPFs of 49 to 50 are absurd, in my view.’"

In his view only. I CAN and DO tell the difference between 20 and 50 . Even did the research . two locaqtions on my arm, one with basic 20 the other with baby faces 50 same day etc etc 50 area noticably whiter than 20 area always use 30 or better kiddies and protect that investment, tannming booths are the invention of the DEVIL. Ray — TATTOO=stained glass on my soul Contact me for your shop insurance needs

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Ray wrote In his view only. I CAN and DO tell the difference between 20 and 50 . Even did the research . two locaqtions on my arm, one with basic 20 the other with baby faces 50 same day etc etc 50 area noticably whiter than 20 area

Do you see a difference between 30 and 45?  There’s only supposedly a 2% difference between the two.  i have done well with 30… how about you? Sm00o0o0o0x! ~ Rebekah http://www.bmeworld.com/rebekah/reasked-home.html "The glass is always half-empty. And cracked. And I just cut my lip on it. And chipped a tooth."   janeane garafolo AOL now has kill files for online readers

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I only use 45 or 50 "test" with 20 was a one time thing. I use 20 on the rest of my body early in summer to build up the melonin content. I get really dark if I spend anytime at all in the sun. But If I could find SPF 1000 to cover my art I would use it DID you know that most white T-shirts would only be rated as SPF 15. Can’t remember where I read that little nugget.

Sm00o0o0o0x! ~ Rebekah

back atcha kiddo Ray

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<<DID you know that most white T-shirts would only be rated as SPF 15. Can’t remember where I read that little nugget. Hi Ray!    You got that tidbit from the PDTT seminar – at least one of the versions that we’ve taken. Take care, TeeJay

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I wasn’t the one who originally made the claim, but here’s my story on it. I went on a trip to the Badlands and while out there put a 45 on my exposed tattoo and a 30 on the rest of me.  My tat got a slight tan and the rest of me got a light burn.  I decided to go with the 45 all over after that. Michelle Do you see a difference between 30 and 45?  There’s only supposedly a 2% difference between the two.  i have done well with 30… how about you? Sm00o0o0o0x! ~ Rebekah http://www.bmeworld.com/rebekah/reasked-home.html "The glass is always half-empty. And cracked. And I just cut my lip on it. And chipped a tooth."   janeane garafolo AOL now has kill files for online readers

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:Ray scrobe: :<<DID you know that most white T-shirts would only be rated as SPF 15. Can’t :remember where I read that little nugget. :   You got that tidbit from the PDTT seminar – at least one of the versions :that we’ve taken. My bottle of 45, just mentioned, is referred to by my sun-damage-enhanced family as "better than a building sunscreen". What’s the average building rated again? Cass — "There are nights when the wolves are silent, and only the moon howls." -George Carlin

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:did the research . two locaqtions on my arm, one with basic 20 the other :with baby faces 50 same day etc etc 50 area noticably whiter than 20 area Children’s products, in my exeperience, always work better.  I think it’s because the only thing worse than having X problem is having 4 pre-10 children whining about the same problem.  Huh. Cassie, pround user of Waterbabies 45 on tattoos and most other places. "There are nights when the wolves are silent, and only the moon howls." -George Carlin

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:Ray scrobe: My bottle of 45, just mentioned, is referred to by my sun-damage-enhanced family as "better than a building sunscreen". What’s the average building rated again?\

apparently only about 44 Ray — Tattoo= stained glass window on my soul Contact me for your shop insurance needs

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: My bottle of 45, just mentioned, is referred to by my : sun-damage-enhanced family as "better than a building sunscreen". : What’s the average building rated again? My tattoo artist recommended some 45 goop from Neutrogena, I believe…his main love of it was how non-comodegenic it was. He referred to it as "Vampire Block". Hide from that nasty sunlight! *grin* -Takhisis

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Ray wrote In his view only. I CAN and DO tell the difference between 20 and 50 . Even did the research . two locaqtions on my arm, one with basic 20 the other with baby faces 50 same day etc etc 50 area noticably whiter than 20 area Do you see a difference between 30 and 45?  There’s only supposedly a 2% difference between the two.  i have done well with 30… how about you?

Supposedly according to who? As I understand it, the SPF is a multiplier of how much longer you could be in the sun before getting the same effect as with naked skin. So with SPF 2, you can stay in the sun twice as long as with no sunscreen (so you burn in 30 minutes instead of 15, if you’re pale and it’s a bright day). SPF 15 means you can be in the sun 15 times as long. In other words, being out for five hours with SPF 15 on is like being out for 20 minutes with no sunscreen. So SPF 45 should be one and a half times as effective as SPF 30. Yes, the FDA has proposed removing specific ratings about 30, apparently thinking that the difference between 6 and 8 matters, but the difference between 30 and 50 doesn’t. Many dermatologists oppose this, not only because it would make it harder for careful people to get the maximum available protection, but because it would remove an incentive for companies to research better sunscreen– why develop SPF 100 if you can’t tell people it’s more than three times as good as SPF 30? As it happens, I saw my dermatologist today–she complimented me on being careful about sun exposure, didn’t even mention the tattoo she hadn’t already seen, and said she wants to remove an "atypical" mole on my back (in an area I almost never expose to the sun) but it can wait a few months: it’s not cancerous, we’re just being careful. — Vicki Rosenzweig Survivability of dates past the end of the universe is uncertain. –RFC 2550

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Amanda, Any reputable establishment will refuse to tattoo a minor. Now knowing that, I’m sure that wherever you are from you will be able to get a tattoo regardless of your age, but please take into mind the fact that if they don’t care about the law are they really going to care about cross contamination, sterilization, supplying you with the proper information on aftercare or with a good tattoo.  Anything worth while is worth waiting for, isn’t it? Angel Murder Ink Tattoos and Body Piercing

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I’ve heard from many places that there’s a lot of places near St. Marks.  I’m quite aware of that, but i was just wondering if anyone knows how good the work is from where and can reccomend a good, clean place that does good work in New York.  Also…  do they have a policy for minors?  I’m 17, so i need to know whether i need to drag my mother in with me or not. Anything would be a great help, since my usual piercing place won’t tattoo me. Thanks… -Amanda

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I’ve heard from many places that there’s a lot of places near St. Marks.  I’m quite aware of that, but i was just wondering if anyone knows how good the work is from where and can reccomend a good, clean place that does good work in New York.  

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I’ve heard from many places that there’s a lot of places near St. Marks.

Eeek! I was kidding! Don’t go to any of those places!! (snip) Also…  do they have a policy for minors?  I’m 17, so i need to know whether i need to drag my mother in with me or not.

If you have your mom’s permission you should be able to find a reputable place in Jersey that will tattoo you. I had work done in NJ  when I was underage (with my mom’s sig of course). Montclair’s not too far from the city- if you’d rather make that trek there instead, call the place Keith suggested… He won’t lead you astray. erica.

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Eeek! I was kidding! Don’t go to any of those places!!

I have actually heard and seen work done on a few friends of friends but never took the time to write down names of places…. If you have your mom’s permission you should be able to find a reputable place in Jersey that will tattoo you. I had work done in NJ  when I was underage

Unfortunately, like i said, NJ now has this law where they won’t tattoo ANYONE underage.  As far as waiting, I have waited, worked with my design and really thought about this for a long time, over a year.  This work would be something for me, not to show off or shock people with.  I’ve been through a lot in the past few months and I really want to mark this time life, and everything has just seem to fit into place.  I completely understand Angel when she says that anything worth while is worth waiting for…  I guess it’s just one of those really personal, internal things. That’s all for now…. -Amanda

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If it is a licensed tattoo artist in NYC, then they will not be able to perform any work on you until you are 18.. No matter if u have permission from God to have it done.. It is one of the laws written that no matter if one has permission or not, then they will not be able to get tattooed.. So, you have 2 options.. Wait until you are 18,  or go to NJ..

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So, you have 2 options.. Wait until you are 18,  or go to NJ..

She’s (mistakenly) mentioned before that NJ has a law that won’t allow any minors to be tattooed regardless of whether or not they have a parent’s sig, but that’s just not true. Look around at places in NJ. erica.

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She’s (mistakenly) mentioned before that NJ has a law that won’t allow any minors to be tattooed regardless of whether or not they have a parent’s sig, but that’s just not true. Look around at places in NJ.

Ummmm… I’m *sorry* if I’m wrong, but that is what three seperate places informed me.  If I am mistaken, as you say, would you be so polite as to reccommend some places in northern Jersey for me?  I’d greatly appreciate it. Thanks. -Amanda

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She’s (mistakenly) mentioned before that NJ has a law that won’t allow any minors to be tattooed regardless of whether or not they have a parent’s sig, but that’s just not true. Look around at places in NJ. erica.

I’m *sorry* if I was mistaken, but I was told by three seperate places that this was true.  Would you be ever so kind as to suggest some places in northern Jersey for me?  I’d greatly appreciate it. -Amanda "They may say, those were the days, but in a way, you know, for us, these are the days…"                              ~Perry Farrell

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Amanda wrote I’m *sorry* if I was mistaken, but I was told by three seperate places that this was true.  Would you be ever so kind as to suggest some places in northern Jersey for me?  I’d greatly appreciate it.

From the FAQs http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/tattoo-faq/part5/ Tattoo FAQ 5/9–Artist List (shows link to New Jersey State Legislature http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/)   A1621   Prohibits body piercing and tattooing minors without parental consent 1998 If your mom is willing to go with you, take some of the better shop suggestions you’ve gotten and shop around…. no need to settle for a second-rate shop if she’s gonna be that open-minded ~ Rebekah ~ Rebekah "Glam rock is making a comeback, I swear!" – Jim Weber http://members.aol.com/ta2intl/tattoo.htm – Tattoo International http://www.eskimo.com/~rab/faqpage.html: list of all RAB FAQs – look before you ask!!…..To Reply, CASTRATE (= remove the .balls)

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can anyone give me a link to some pics of white ink tattoos, im interested in getting one but havent had luck searching on the web..i saw a few a couple of weeks ago but didnt bookmark them. please help! thanks!!! Just Me Jessie (*)

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can anyone give me a link to some pics of white ink tattoos, im interested in getting one but havent had luck searching on the web..i saw a few a couple of weeks ago but didnt bookmark them. please help! thanks!!! Just Me Jessie (*)

We have a few on http://www.urbanprimitive.com …. I think they are in the Bodyart:Tattoos:Daemon:Ornamental section… I know that Daemon did them though…. Damn, I gotta get a search engine for this damn site! Sparrow

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hi, there is an article about white ink tats in the german t