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Please can anyone direct me to a typical illustration of a ’shellback’ tattoo that sailors of old on the windjammers used to have after ‘crossing the line’ (i.e. the equator)? Secondly does anyone know who can do one in the UK (near or in London)? Many thanks – SB.

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[snip] typical illustration of a ’shellback’ tattoo [snip]

What are the themes or recurring images that appear? Check out the following images or Seek Ye http://images.google.com http://mythesgrecs.free.fr/images/Poseidon/Triomphe%20de%20Neptune,%2… http://www.brumm.com/postcardsout/images/neptune.jpg http://www.wflinn.com/gonavy/images/shellback_1_front.jpg http://www.wflinn.com/gonavy/images/shellback_2.jpg http://www.users.qwest.net/~robbd01/Oldrobbpage/Shellback-5.jpg http://www.uss-ranger.org/shipmatepics/terryturner/Shellback%20Certif… http://www.thekingandiguesthouse.com/neptune.jpg Armed with this knowledge, head to several tattoo shops and peruse the albums of artist examples. Find an artist whose work you like and ask that person if they could work up a design for you. Enjoy your new tattoo. Remember, the words Imperium Neptuni Regis and Shellback do not necessarily have to appear in the illustration or your final tattoo design. — — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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Please can anyone direct me to a typical illustration of a ’shellback’ tattoo that sailors of old on the windjammers used to have after ‘crossing the line’ (i.e. the equator)? Secondly does anyone know who can do one in the UK (near or in London)? Many thanks – SB.

Harry Potter was in the Navy before he became a professional tattooist.  Works in Wickford, Essex.  Harry has been tattooing since the early 1950’s.  He’s probably forgot more about sailors tattoo’s than most of today’s tattooists will ever know. Lionel

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I know he has an agent in the states selling it and he’s doing pretty well from sales…plus he’s a sign writer….and sells plotters…so he does have pretty good product knowledge. Ken

And they are very helpful I’m running it on two machines and had a problum in reinstalling it on the second .  They got right back to me with what to do.  Yes you do need Corel which I had and like much better than Adobe.  It seems he has written some macros or VBA scripts that use the Corel features to make a lot of changes to a rather bland graphic fast. Cut a vinyl use your airbrush to tune it up clear it, weed it and stick it on.  Lot cheaper and more in control than the premade rolls. Steven E.

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What would be the cheapest program to buy to design stencils so a print shop could cut them out in vinyl? Thanks for any info, Kirk

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Ah….you’re right Paul…..I know what you mean. hehe…you’re right…as usual Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: NTL Newsgroups: alt.airbrush.art I disagree Vern. There’s nothing worse than having to keep popping a cd into the computer and then searching through it to find the info you want. Then you have to minimise the screen and try and remeber what it said while you do it in Corel. With a book you can have it open in front of you while you do it on the screen. Much easier. A book will last longer than a cd too. Paul. http://www.paulcorfield.com http://www.littlemisspinup.com Aloha Ken and all Airbrushers: Thanks for the info on Corel’s Manual / CD training. I think I will opt for the CD training instead. It’s so much better and interesting to watch and do vs…read / fall asleep / try and fall asleep again…hehe. I will look for it. Only thing is I don’g know what version it is. You’re saying Corel 10….I use a Macintosh so, I’m not sure what version it is. hmph. Anyway…thanks for the info…I would sure like to get a program that could at least draw simple stencils and stuff when it involves so much cutting. ex: stars on a flag or something. Though a shield may prove to be okay.. sometimes just placing a stencil on there is easier, and can be positioned better.  Though many other AB’s may think differently. Another thing is when you’re doing silouette cutting, say of a ‘dirt bike airborne’, that’s a lot of intricate cutting. Again..thanks Vern G’day Vern, You really need to get a book, there is also a CD training manual that together they make a great (and easy) way to learn. I paid $90 here in Oz for Corel’s manual…kind of steep…but it saved the day many times… also the video I got was perfect..called: Intro to CorelDRAW 10, by the Virtual Training Company. Inc. It follows the book’s chapters and is so damn easy to understand. I still use the CD to solve small problems. I also use a vector conversion program (to change bitmaps to Vectors), which now is the best I have ever found: AlgoLab Photo Vector v 1.97.7. This is their most receient update and it works pretty well. I still use Photoshop to paint my drawings…but to be honest, I’m better with my paints and airbrush. Considering I designed the Australian Airbrush Acrylic paints many years ago, I’m pretty much a master at using them..lol.. I only use the drawing programs for signage and stencils.. Ken

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I think Kirk…that if you were to buy a ‘plotter’ which is the type of printer that can cut vinyl.. it already comes with a program. I could be wrong….. My two Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Newsgroups: alt.airbrush.art What would be the cheapest program to buy to design stencils so a print shop could cut them out in vinyl? Thanks for any info, Kirk

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Aloha Ken and all Airbrushers: Thanks for the info on Corel’s Manual / CD training. I think I will opt for the CD training instead. It’s so much better and interesting to watch and do vs…read / fall asleep / try and fall asleep again…hehe. I will look for it. Only thing is I don’g know what version it is. You’re saying Corel 10….I use a Macintosh so, I’m not sure what version it is. hmph. Anyway…thanks for the info…I would sure like to get a program that could at least draw simple stencils and stuff when it involves so much cutting. ex: stars on a flag or something. Though a shield may prove to be okay.. sometimes just placing a stencil on there is easier, and can be positioned better.  Though many other AB’s may think differently. Another thing is when you’re doing silouette cutting, say of a ‘dirt bike airborne’, that’s a lot of intricate cutting. Again..thanks Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day Vern, You really need to get a book, there is also a CD training manual that together they make a great (and easy) way to learn. I paid $90 here in Oz for Corel’s manual…kind of steep…but it saved the day many times… also the video I got was perfect..called: Intro to CorelDRAW 10, by the Virtual Training Company. Inc. It follows the book’s chapters and is so damn easy to understand. I still use the CD to solve small problems. I also use a vector conversion program (to change bitmaps to Vectors), which now is the best I have ever found: AlgoLab Photo Vector v 1.97.7. This is their most receient update and it works pretty well. I still use Photoshop to paint my drawings…but to be honest, I’m better with my paints and airbrush. Considering I designed the Australian Airbrush Acrylic paints many years ago, I’m pretty much a master at using them..lol.. I only use the drawing programs for signage and stencils.. Ken

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Probably best to speak to the actual paint shop you are going to use. See what software they use and what file types are compatible with theirs and then source some software that will do the job. They may even be able to give you some ideas in that respect too. Paul. http://www.paulcorfield.com http://www.littlemisspinup.com

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Kirk said:  "What would be the cheapest program to buy to design stencils so a print shop could cut them out in vinyl?" Corel Draw 10 would be probably the cheapest. Most bridge programs handle that for the plotters or lazor cutters. Just check with the sign shop to see what format (usually vector) their cutting program works with. Plotters such as Roland’s "stitka" are pretty cheap in the States…but the sign programs are not….saying that most cutters come with drivers and a simple window’s cutting program….worthless for designing. I use Corel Draw 12 now for temporary tattoo design and cutting work with a $500.00 bridging program…it was just updated 2 months ago. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who sells plotters and can one be bought for under a $1000? Thanks, Kirk I think Kirk…that if you were to buy a ‘plotter’ which is the type of printer that can cut vinyl.. it already comes with a program. I could be wrong….. My two Vern Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Newsgroups: alt.airbrush.art What would be the cheapest program to buy to design stencils so a print  shop could cut them out in vinyl? Thanks for any info, Kirk

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G’day Vern, You really need to get a book, there is also a CD training manual that together they make a great (and easy) way to learn. I paid $90 here in Oz for Corel’s manual…kind of steep…but it saved the day many times… also the video I got was perfect..called: Intro to CorelDRAW 10, by the Virtual Training Company. Inc. It follows the book’s chapters and is so damn easy to understand. I still use the CD to solve small problems. I also use a vector conversion program (to change bitmaps to Vectors), which now is the best I have ever found: AlgoLab Photo Vector v 1.97.7. This is their most receient update and it works pretty well. I still use Photoshop to paint my drawings…but to be honest, I’m better with my paints and airbrush. Considering I designed the Australian Airbrush Acrylic paints many years ago, I’m pretty much a master at using them..lol.. I only use the drawing programs for signage and stencils.. Ken

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Aloha Ken… I have Corel Draw, with Trace and Paint. I bought it through Ebay, you’re right it was sort of cheap. Didn’t come with a book or anything. Damn, program is hard to use, I have no clue what does what. I’ve tried to import a picture, and change the color, I couldn’t even do that. It says you have to change to bitmap to change the color, so I did, but it wouldn’t take a color fill. Funny the program changes from ‘vector’, to bitmap, but not the other way. I have no clue what I’m doing there. I need to get a Corel Draw for Dummies or something, hehe. Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: http://groups.google.com Newsgroups: alt.airbrush.art Kirk said:  "What would be the cheapest program to buy to design stencils so a print shop could cut them out in vinyl?" Corel Draw 10 would be probably the cheapest. Most bridge programs handle that for the plotters or lazor cutters. Just check with the sign shop to see what format (usually vector) their cutting program works with. Plotters such as Roland’s "stitka" are pretty cheap in the States…but the sign programs are not….saying that most cutters come with drivers and a simple window’s cutting program….worthless for designing. I use Corel Draw 12 now for temporary tattoo design and cutting work with a $500.00 bridging program…it was just updated 2 months ago. Ken Who sells plotters and can one be bought for under a $1000? Thanks, Kirk I think Kirk…that if you were to buy a ‘plotter’ which is the type of printer that can cut vinyl.. it already comes with a program. I could be wrong….. My two Vern Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Newsgroups: alt.airbrush.art What would be the cheapest program to buy to design stencils so a print shop could cut them out in vinyl? Thanks for any info, Kirk

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Who sells plotters and can one be bought for under a $1000? Thanks, Kirk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think Kirk…that if you were to buy a ‘plotter’ which is the type of printer that can cut vinyl.. it already comes with a program. I could be wrong….. My two Vern Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Newsgroups: alt.airbrush.art What would be the cheapest program to buy to design stencils so a print shop could cut them out in vinyl? Thanks for any info, Kirk

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Thanks guys for the help, I’ll check into this. Thanks, Kirk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mate, I make and cut airbrush tattoo stencils and airbrush shields all the time. There is no such thing as a "cheap" drawing program…that being said you can pick up corel draw 10 for $90.00 some places which should do the job. The newest one is Corel Draw 12. Most Lazor cutters and plotters can read Corel draw and many use bridging programs for their machines. Just make sure that your sign shop of choice can use your format. Many sign shops use sign programs (which have their own drawing program) with many costing a few grand. Most sign shops should have little problem with most vector graphics….but do check first. airbrush_ken

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Mate, I make and cut airbrush tattoo stencils and airbrush shields all the time. There is no such thing as a "cheap" drawing program…that being said you can pick up corel draw 10 for $90.00 some places which should do the job. The newest one is Corel Draw 12. Most Lazor cutters and plotters can read Corel draw and many use bridging programs for their machines. Just make sure that your sign shop of choice can use your format. Many sign shops use sign programs (which have their own drawing program) with many costing a few grand. Most sign shops should have little problem with most vector graphics….but do check first. airbrush_ken

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I have the official Corel book too Vern and it’s all simple once you have it all to look at step by step. I only work in Adobe Photoshop these days but what I learnt in Corel was easily transferred. Paul. http://www.paulcorfield.com http://www.littlemisspinup.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day Vern, You really need to get a book, there is also a CD training manual that together they make a great (and easy) way to learn. I paid $90 here in Oz for Corel’s manual…kind of steep…but it saved the day many times… also the video I got was perfect..called: Intro to CorelDRAW 10, by the Virtual Training Company. Inc. It follows the book’s chapters and is so damn easy to understand. I still use the CD to solve small problems. I also use a vector conversion program (to change bitmaps to Vectors), which now is the best I have ever found: AlgoLab Photo Vector v 1.97.7. This is their most receient update and it works pretty well. I still use Photoshop to paint my drawings…but to be honest, I’m better with my paints and airbrush. Considering I designed the Australian Airbrush Acrylic paints many years ago, I’m pretty much a master at using them..lol.. I only use the drawing programs for signage and stencils.. Ken

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Thanks Paul…. I will go look for the book / or CD so I can …too….be a Corel User. Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: NTL Newsgroups: alt.airbrush.art I have the official Corel book too Vern and it’s all simple once you have it all to look at step by step. I only work in Adobe Photoshop these days but what I learnt in Corel was easily transferred. Paul. http://www.paulcorfield.com http://www.littlemisspinup.com G’day Vern, You really need to get a book, there is also a CD training manual that together they make a great (and easy) way to learn. I paid $90 here in Oz for Corel’s manual…kind of steep…but it saved the day many times… also the video I got was perfect..called: Intro to CorelDRAW 10, by the Virtual Training Company. Inc. It follows the book’s chapters and is so damn easy to understand. I still use the CD to solve small problems. I also use a vector conversion program (to change bitmaps to Vectors), which now is the best I have ever found: AlgoLab Photo Vector v 1.97.7. This is their most receient update and it works pretty well. I still use Photoshop to paint my drawings…but to be honest, I’m better with my paints and airbrush. Considering I designed the Australian Airbrush Acrylic paints many years ago, I’m pretty much a master at using them..lol.. I only use the drawing programs for signage and stencils.. Ken

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Well according to the page: Just like a desktop printer, the STIKA includes a Windows driver that allows users to output directly from vector-based design software. It also comes with Dr. STIKA and CutChoice

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come collect your pennies. SHINY ONES AT THAT.

Ooh. Bright, shiny pennies. Happy little pennies. I think Mickey has finally gotten to me. Damn Orlando and the tourists. -=RaG_rb, themicearecomingtogetmethemicearecomingtogetmethemicearecomingtogetmethemic e arecomingtogetme — -=Doubt is not the opposite of faith; it is one element of faith.=- — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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i believe captain america named a fifth. TEN PENNIES TO WHOMEVER CALLS IT FIRST. I believe you mean "Captain Planet". And it was Earth, Wind, Fire, Water, and Heart. GO PLANET! So, the answer would be heart. Damn you. Now I have the theme song in my head. "Captain Planet, he’s our hero. Gunna take pollution down to zero."

Did you ever see the anti-drug episode, where everyone turns into drug crazed zombies? Classic. Cylence

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I have a band around my upper arm that shows E,W,F,W…if interested in seeing it I’ll take pics… All the best, Chris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been looking for information, artwork, and ideas to help me with a tattoo design concerning the four elements (fire, water, wind, earth).  If you have any idea where I can go to get history on this topic or where to find artwork please help.  Thank you.

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I have a band around my upper arm that shows E,W,F,W…if interested in seeing it I’ll take pics… All the best, Chris I have been looking for information, artwork, and ideas to help me with a tattoo design concerning the four elements (fire, water, wind, earth).  If you have any idea where I can go to get history on this topic or where to find artwork please help.  Thank you.

I’d love to see it.

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i believe captain america named a fifth. TEN PENNIES TO WHOMEVER CALLS IT FIRST.

r I believe you mean "Captain Planet". And it was Earth, Wind, Fire, Water, r and Heart. GO PLANET! r So, the answer would be heart.         ohhhhh yeah. that’s right. planet.         come collect your pennies. SHINY ONES AT THAT. lish                                          "i am the undisputed king 39.3% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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i believe captain america named a fifth. TEN PENNIES TO WHOMEVER CALLS IT FIRST.

I believe you mean "Captain Planet". And it was Earth, Wind, Fire, Water, and Heart. GO PLANET! So, the answer would be heart. Damn you. Now I have the theme song in my head. "Captain Planet, he’s our hero. Gunna take pollution down to zero." -=Me — -=Doubt is not the opposite of faith; it is one element of faith.=- — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I have been looking for information, artwork, and ideas to help me with a tattoo design concerning the four elements (fire, water, wind, earth).  If you have any idea where I can go to get history on this topic or where to find artwork please help.  Thank you.

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I have been looking for information, artwork, and ideas to help me with a tattoo design concerning the four elements (fire, water, wind, earth).  If you have any idea where I can go to get history on this topic or where to find artwork please help.  Thank you.

Can’t help you with the water, but here’s some history on the other three: http://tinyurl.com/g5sg — sarahmonster www.jerkasaurus.com iam.bmezine.com/?sarahmonster

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I have been looking for information, artwork, and ideas to help me with a tattoo design concerning the four elements (fire, water, wind, earth).  If you have any idea where I can go to get history on this topic or where to find artwork please help.  Thank you.

You might want to do a search involving the term "pagan", "calling the corners", or "wicca/wiccan". Cylence

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I have been looking for information, artwork, and ideas to help me with a tattoo design concerning the four elements (fire, water,  wind, earth).  If you have any idea where I can go to get history on  this topic or where to find artwork please help.  Thank you. Can’t help you with the water, but here’s some history on the other three: http://tinyurl.com/g5sg

Try this: http://images.google.com/images?q=%22the+4+elements%22&svnum=10&hl=en… -Marmalade

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M I have been looking for information, artwork, and ideas to help me M with a tattoo design concerning the four elements (fire, water, wind, M earth).  If you have any idea where I can go to get history on this         i believe captain america named a fifth.         TEN PENNIES TO WHOMEVER CALLS IT FIRST. lish                                             "i’m tangled & mangled 39.3% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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I was looking through some tat mags in L.A. about two weeks ago and found one that my wife would just LOVE to have but was in a rush and never got around to picking up the mag. I have since returned to the midwest where we have a very limited availability of not only tat shops but the mags as well and I was wondering if I could get someone to help me locate the picture and email it to me. I don’t know what magazine it was in, there were over a dozen, but it is of a blue harlequin/jester done either on someones chest or upper arm, I’m not sure which. ANY help in locating this picture or helping find the design would be MUCH appreciated. This will be wifes first tattoo!! TIA

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I was looking through some tat mags in L.A. about two weeks ago and found one that my wife would just LOVE to have but was in a rush and never got around to picking up the mag. I have since returned to the midwest where we have a very limited availability of not only tat shops but the mags as well and I was wondering if I could get someone to help me locate the picture and email it to me. I don’t know what magazine it was in, there were over a dozen, but it is of a blue harlequin/jester done either on someones chest or upper arm, I’m not sure which. ANY help in locating this picture or helping find the design would be MUCH appreciated. This will be wifes first tattoo!! TIA

The mood I’m in right now, this is just *too* tempting, but I think I’ll have more fun wathcing the Pro’s do it instead. — Dnc

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was looking through some tat mags in L.A. about two weeks ago and found one that my wife would just LOVE to have but was in a rush and never got around to picking up the mag. I have since returned to the midwest where we have a very limited availability of not only tat shops but the mags as well and I was wondering if I could get someone to help me locate the picture and email it to me. I don’t know what magazine it was in, there were over a dozen, but it is of a blue harlequin/jester done either on someones chest or upper arm, I’m not sure which. ANY help in locating this picture or helping find the design would be MUCH appreciated. This will be wifes first tattoo!! TIA The mood I’m in right now, this is just *too* tempting, but I think I’ll have more fun wathcing the Pro’s do it instead.

fellow finds a newsgroup and asks for some help..whats the problem ?

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fellow finds a newsgroup and asks for some help..whats the problem ?

Yeah, what’s with the "Oooh, you’re sooooo going to get flamed" posts? There was one on the "Help getting into tattoo design?" thread too, and I thought both were perfectly reasonable questions. –Elena

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fellow finds a newsgroup and asks for some help..whats the problem ? Yeah, what’s with the "Oooh, you’re sooooo going to get flamed" posts? There was one on the "Help getting into tattoo design?" thread too, and I thought both were perfectly reasonable questions.

there is a certain school of thought that tattoo’s are personal things. I certainly could never sport a tattoo which I had blatently ripped off of someone elses – ie from a magazine photo! — Dnc

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – fellow finds a newsgroup and asks for some help..whats the problem ? Yeah, what’s with the "Oooh, you’re sooooo going to get flamed" posts? There was one on the "Help getting into tattoo design?" thread too, and I thought both were perfectly reasonable questions. there is a certain school of thought that tattoo’s are personal things. I certainly could never sport a tattoo which I had blatently ripped off of someone elses – ie from a magazine photo!

So basically what you’re saying, DNC, is that everyone who has ever had a tattoo of a heart with "Mom" on the ribbon ripped them off from the first individual that had it??? I’m confused… I was under the impression that when MOST people got tats it was from a picture of some type!  I personally have three that I did the artwork for myself and wouldn’t have a problem if anyone else wanted the same work for themselves. And what about the celtic knot you have? Is it the same design as the one I have? and have had for over 20 years??? Did you get the design from a book,  is it your own design or did you see mine in a mag somewhere and decide you wanted it for yourself? I suppose you have a problem with the Easyriders centerfold I have on my back that David Mann drew originally. It’s kinda odd, HE didn’t have a problem with it when he saw it! Extrya, Sunlight, thank you for your support. DNC, just remember, opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one and they all stink.

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Extrya, Sunlight, thank you for your support. DNC, just remember, opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one and they all stink.

Have you considered going to a tattoo shop and asking a competent artist to draw you up something?  Just a thought. — Cheers. Carol (knowing for sure she doesn’t stink; she just took a shower) Oh if you’re sad, and you’re feeling blue, go out and buy a brand-new pair of shoes.

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So basically what you’re saying, DNC, is that everyone who has ever had a tattoo of a heart with "Mom" on the ribbon ripped them off from the first individual that had it???

Is the Mom, font, typeset etc the same? Is the ribbon the same? Is it THE same tattoo? If so, then yes. however using concept is one thing, copying is another. I’m confused…

That’s okay – it happens to us all I was under the impression that when MOST people

Stop right there – that’s an assumption, cos you haven’t met MOST people, let alone studied their reasons and research behind tattoos, and we all know that assumption is the mother of all fuckups. Carry on, got tats it was from a picture of some type!

eh? they might get tattoos, (please note that "tats" are something entirely different to tattoos) OF a picture, but not necessarily FROM a picture. you’ve obviously done some research on me – care to tell me where my back piece came from? Hang on, I’ll save you the bother – my tattooist and I designed it together from scratch. Natch, I guess that doesn’t make me most people? Mission accomplished. I personally have three that I did the artwork for myself

Excellent to hear – you obviously have clue. and wouldn’t have a problem if anyone else wanted the same work for themselves.

That’s brilliant. For you. and for anyone who wants your tattoos. Why do I care about this though? And what about the celtic knot you have?

What about it? Is it the same design as the one I have?

Dunno, you show me yours, now you’ve seen mine, then we can compare. and have had for over 20 years??? Did you get the design from a book,

Nope is it your own design or did you see mine in a mag somewhere

  and decide you wanted it for yourself? I most certainly did not – I have my personal reasons for ahving that tattoo, and I’ll wager that if you have a _similar_ design, it certainly won’t be identical. Money where your mouth is time. I suppose you have a problem with the Easyriders centerfold I have on my back that David Mann drew originally. It’s kinda odd, HE didn’t have a problem with it when he saw it!

Nope – because the original artist didn’t (so you say and I don’t know you so I’ll take your word for it) have a problem with it. However, no-one has asked the owner of the tattoo that is being searched for, if THEY mind THEIR tattoo being copied by someone else. Extrya, Sunlight, thank you for your support. DNC, just remember, opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one and they all stink.

Oh the irony (that’s a kind of humour by the way). Right up until this statement, I thought this might have been a snesible sharing of opinions – however you just lost your "clue" as far as I’m concerned, but hey – don’t let that bother you, it’s no loss to either of us. — Dnc

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fellow finds a newsgroup and asks for some help..whats the problem ? Yeah, what’s with the "Oooh, you’re sooooo going to get flamed" posts? There was one on the "Help getting into tattoo design?" thread too, and I thought both were perfectly reasonable questions. –Elena

Could be the fact that this guy wants to copy someone else’s tattoo, rather than get his own damn design. Not that a blue harlequin jester is all that original, but the design and presentation certainly may be, and maybe the owner would prefer to keep it that way… I’m really not sure why people think that just because a tattoo is photographed and put in a magazine (usually because it catches the photographer’s eye as being different and unique) it automatically makes it "flash" to be used by all the unwashed masses. Try a going to a tattoo artist and saying that you want them to draw a blue harlequin jester. Is that so hard? Susan

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Extrya, Sunlight, thank you for your support. DNC, just remember, opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one and they all stink. Have you considered going to a tattoo shop and asking a competent artist to draw you up something?  Just a thought.

We’re pretty limited on shops around here and the ones we do have aren’t "First Rate" unfortunately. I have spoken with a few artist type people I know and one of them said he might be able to come up with something "maybe in a week or two", and unfortunately I’m just not good enough an artist to do the work myself. — Cheers. Carol (knowing for sure she doesn’t stink; she just took a shower)

LOL!! Thanks for the suggestion!

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there is a certain school of thought that tattoo’s are personal things. I certainly could never sport a tattoo which I had blatently ripped off of someone elses – ie from a magazine photo!

I wouldn’t either — it wouldn’t feel right, and what little tattooing work I’ve got is custom, if not hugely original and striking — but it makes no odds to me if someone else feels comfortable doing that.  It’s not really very quantatively different from ripping off a design from anywhere else, which people do all the time. Anyway, my point was this: if you’re going to flame, fine.  If you’re going to be helpful, fine.  Everyone’s going to do what they like anyway and I have no problem with that.  I just don’t get the "you’re going to be flamed / I’ll leave it up to someone else to flame you" posts.  What’s the point?

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We’re pretty limited on shops around here and the ones we do have aren’t "First Rate" unfortunately. I have spoken with a few artist type people I know and one of them said he might be able to come up with something "maybe in a week or two", and unfortunately I’m just not good enough an artist to do the work myself.

Nothing says "love" like a man who believes his wife isn’t worth more than a second/third/fourth rate artist/hack and a copied tattoo from someone else’s skin. ~christyn. ***yank me to reply***

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this picture or helping find the design would be MUCH appreciated. This will be wifes first tattoo!! TIA

Loser, that’s right steal someone else’s art. Go get some fucking flash TAZ for your slut R

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What’s the point?

What’s the point of any of this? jeez, it’s only Ascii. — Dnc

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What’s the point? What’s the point of any of this? jeez, it’s only Ascii.

Erm… okay.  No need to get existentialist on me.

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Have you considered going to a tattoo shop and asking a competent artist to draw you up something?  Just a thought. We’re pretty limited on shops around here and the ones we do have aren’t "First Rate" unfortunately.

I appreciate your predicament.  However, if you can’t find a good enough artist to draw this, who is going to put it on her body? — Cheers. Carol Oh if you’re sad, and you’re feeling blue, go out and buy a brand-new pair of shoes.

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locating this picture or helping find the design would be MUCH appreciated. This will be wifes first tattoo!! TIA Loser, that’s right steal someone else’s art. Go get some fucking flash TAZ for your slut

fucken hell dood…bit harsh..i didnt realise there was unspoken copyright on these things..better hope coke doesnt lose it when they see all the coca cola logos on certain ppl.. and i hope Tom Taggart doesnt see mine !

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Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tattoo on my lower back in another newsgroup.  I know they were trying to goad me into responding to them, but I just figure they are the ignorant ones for not being able to appreciate a fine piece of body art in one of the most sexy places to have it for a woman. Needless to say, I have unsubbed from that group.

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Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tattoo on my lower back in another newsgroup.

Ha ha, ass antlers. fr0glet

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Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tattoo on my lower back in another newsgroup. Ha ha, ass antlers. fr0glet

;o)  Does that mean you like it or not?

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my lower back Ha ha, ass antlers.

True dat! — Cheers. Carol (who has a petite little set of her own) ps-original poster person, why do you care? Oh if you’re sad, and you’re feeling blue, go out and buy a brand-new pair of shoes.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tattoo on my lower back in another newsgroup. Ha ha, ass antlers. fr0glet ;o)  Does that mean you like it or not?

Over used or not I like them on some hot Piece of Ass. If you are not a hot piece of ass that I would be inclined to grab ahold of the antlers andd ride the range on or they are poorly done they look silly. I always find the itty bitty ant ass antlers silly in general even if you are a hot piece of ass. — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo

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Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tattoo on my lower back in another newsgroup. Ha ha, ass antlers. fr0glet ;o)  Does that mean you like it or not?

As if my opinion (or anyone else’s) has any bearing on your life. PUH-LEASE! fr0glet

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FP Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tatto FP my lower back in another newsgroup.  I know they were trying to goad me FP Needless to say, I have unsubbed from that group.         wow, you’re easy. do you run away from ALL challenges, or just when people use words?         if *i* call you an ignorant bitch, will you leave RAB too? ’cause that’d take much less effort than usual. lish                                        "sometimes she’s more metal 38.5% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tattoo on my lower back Needless to say, I have unsubbed from that group.

Are you sure it’s safe to get a tattoo when you have such thin skin? Mara

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my lower back Ha ha, ass antlers. True dat! — Cheers. Carol (who has a petite little set of her own) ps-original poster person, why do you care? Oh if you’re sad, and you’re feeling blue, go out and buy a brand-new pair of shoes.

<g  I don’t.  Just thought I’d rant a little.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tattoo on my lower back in another newsgroup. Ha ha, ass antlers. fr0glet ;o)  Does that mean you like it or not? Over used or not I like them on some hot Piece of Ass. If you are not a hot piece of ass that I would be inclined to grab ahold of the antlers andd ride the range on or they are poorly done they look silly. I always find the itty bitty ant ass antlers silly in general even if you are a hot piece of ass. — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo

Well alrighty then!  haha  There’s not much itty bitty about mine.  Have a looksee if’n you wish. http://www.bme.freeq.com/tattoo/A20815/high/tribaltat.jpg

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tattoo on my lower back in another newsgroup. Ha ha, ass antlers. fr0glet ;o)  Does that mean you like it or not? As if my opinion (or anyone else’s) has any bearing on your life. PUH-LEASE! fr0glet

Um..okay..Still not sure how to take that. ;o)  I like it, so that’s what counts.  Just wanted to rant.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FP Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tatto FP my lower back in another newsgroup.  I know they were trying to goad me FP Needless to say, I have unsubbed from that group. wow, you’re easy. do you run away from ALL challenges, or just when people use words? if *i* call you an ignorant bitch, will you leave RAB too? ’cause that’d take much less effort than usual. lish                                        "sometimes she’s more metal 38.5% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

Nope…I don’t usually run away from challenges.  I am challenged everyday at work with confrontation such as that. Let’s just put it this way: 1. I felt that arguing with them was a waste of my time.  They were obviously trying to goad me into a fight that they would have lost. 2. I wasn’t in the mood to fight with a troll.  I’d had enough challenges yesterday to make my life complete. 3. If their going to make fun of a back piece, they aren’t worth it anyways. That’s my favorite spot. So are you gonna call me that too?  ;o)

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Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tattoo on my lower back Needless to say, I have unsubbed from that group. Are you sure it’s safe to get a tattoo when you have such thin skin? Mara

If I had thin skin, I wouldn’t have gotten that one or my second one.  I was raised that you never mark your body or anything like that.  So now that I have crossed to the dark side (haha), I really don’t care what they think, just wanted to rant a little. They just weren’t worth my time.

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ps-original poster person, why do you care? <g  I don’t.  Just thought I’d rant a little.

I think all the responses from this comes from you having unsubbed from the group, seemingly in a huff, over their objections to your ass-antlers. Then again, I’m just speaking for myself.  Others may have had alternate motives. — Cheers. Carol Oh if you’re sad, and you’re feeling blue, go out and buy a brand-new pair of shoes.

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http://www.bme.freeq.com/tattoo/A20815/high/tribaltat.jpg

BWAHAHAHHAA. I can’t bear to look. — k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9        Shinju! — e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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Well, I was just indirectly called an ignorant bitch for having a tattoo on my lower back in another newsgroup.  

*** If the tattoo fits. KA — k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9        Shinju! — e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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If I had thin skin, I wouldn’t have gotten that one or my second one.

I’m sorry.  Are we supposed to be impressed? I was raised that you never mark your body or anything like that.  So now that I have crossed to the dark side

Oooooh, you rebellious vixen, you.  Scary and all. I really don’t care what they think, just wanted to rant a little. They just weren’t worth my time.

Yet you were so very unaffected that you unsubbed from the ng, and you *do* have all this time to rant and rave about how YOU DON’T CARE WHAT ANYONE THINKS. Right. Mara

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My tattoo wasn’t even mentioned.  They were just saying that anyone with back, shoulder or back of the neck pieces were ignorant bitches because they had something to hide.

from this comes from you having unsubbed from the – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – group, seemingly in a huff, over their objections to your ass-antlers. Then again, I’m just speaking for myself.  Others may have had alternate motives. — Cheers. Carol Oh if you’re sad, and you’re feeling blue, go out and buy a brand-new pair of shoes.

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So don’t.

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No.  I’m not trying to impress anyone.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I had thin skin, I wouldn’t have gotten that one or my second one. I’m sorry.  Are we supposed to be impressed? I was raised that you never mark your body or anything like that.  So now that I have crossed to the dark side Oooooh, you rebellious vixen, you.  Scary and all. I really don’t care what they think, just wanted to rant a little. They just weren’t worth my time. Yet you were so very unaffected that you unsubbed from the ng, and you *do* have all this time to rant and rave about how YOU DON’T CARE WHAT ANYONE THINKS. Right. Mara

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So don’t.

*** I won’t. But I’m really curious. Please tell me which tribe your tattoo design comes from. Thanks in advance! — k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9      Kinbakku! — e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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Good. Hmm…Let’s see how about the Ignorant Bitch Tribe.  That work?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So don’t. *** I won’t. But I’m really curious. Please tell me which tribe your tattoo design comes from. Thanks in advance! — k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9      Kinbakku! — e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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Okay, Carol.  I just re-read what you said, and I apologize.  I didn’t mean to come across as a bitch.  I was frustrated with the ng for other reasons as well, and the tattoo bit was the straw that broke the camel’s back. I came here to hang out, talk about tattoos, listen to what others have to say and learn about experiences that others had.  Nothing more.  I’m not trying to impress anyone.  Not trying to appear like some stuck up piece of work either or like I’m thin skinned. So..Hey Gang..Sorry.  I didn’t mean to come across that way.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My tattoo wasn’t even mentioned.  They were just saying that anyone with back, shoulder or back of the neck pieces were ignorant bitches because they had something to hide. from this comes from you having unsubbed from the group, seemingly in a huff, over their objections to your ass-antlers. Then again, I’m just speaking for myself.  Others may have had alternate motives. — Cheers. Carol Oh if you’re sad, and you’re feeling blue, go out and buy a brand-new pair of shoes.

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No.  I’m not trying to impress anyone.

that’s good cuz you aren’t, BTW this is BOTTOM posting R

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My tattoo wasn’t even mentioned.  They were just saying that anyone with back, shoulder or back of the neck pieces were ignorant bitches because they had something to hide.

See there you go you proved their point for them with every post here. R

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*** I realize that everyone is entitled to his opinion, and I respect this. I also hope that you will all respect mine as you read this posting. For openers, if  David Gartner had done his homework, he’d know that his nostrums are continually evolving into more and more nutty incarnations. Here, I’m not just talking about evolution in a simply Darwinist sense; I’m also talking about how if I may be so bold, David thinks we want him to adopt approaches that have not been tested to try to solve problems that have not been well-defined. Excuse me, but maybe he would have us believe that his magic-bullet explanations are good for the environment, human rights, and baby seals. Yeah, right. I am not up on the latest gossip. Still, I have heard people say that we must reach out to people with the message that I must eschew salacious demagogism if we are fully to appreciate the entire menace represented by macabre tricksters. We must alert people of that. We must educate them. We must inspire them. And we must encourage them to improve the physical and spiritual quality of life for the population at present and for those yet to come. David is like a magician who produces a dove in one hand, while the other hand is busy trying to make a big deal out of nothing. He not only lies, but he brags about his lying to his hangers-on. Alright, enough of that. Now let’s talk about something else. Let’s talk about how David is reluctant to resolve problems. He always just looks the other way and hopes no one will notice that he coins polysyllabic neologisms to make his insults sound like they’re actually important. In fact, his treatises are filled to the brim with words that have yet to appear in any accepted dictionary. Moreover, we need to look beyond the most immediate and visible problems with him. We need to look at what is behind these problems and understand that my cause is to knock some sense into him. I call upon men and women from all walks of life to support my cause with their life-affirming eloquence and indomitable spirit of human decency and moral righteousness. Only then will the whole world realize that if you were to tell David that only by taking risks and pushing boundaries with this letter can I keep our priorities in check, he’d just pull his security blanket a little tighter around himself and refuse to come out and deal with the real world. After watching David’s yes-men turn our country into an obstinate cesspool overrun with scum, disease, and crime, one might conclude that David et al. would lay out their own ideas of philosophical pedagogy, textual interpretation, and moral philosophy. Surprisingly, nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, you don’t have to say anything specifically about David for him to start attacking you. All you have to do is dare to imply that I should spread awareness of the discourteous nature of his conclusions. Come on, David; I know you’re capable of thoughtful social behavior. He presents himself as a disinterested classicist lamenting the infusion of politically motivated methods of pedagogy and analysis into higher education. David is eloquent in his denunciation of modern scholarship, claiming it favors stentorian boors. And here we have the ultimate irony, because the problem with David is not that he’s self-aggrandizing. It’s that he wants to make our lives a living hell. What he is incapable of seeing is that if the human race is to survive on this planet, we will have to discuss, openly and candidly, a vision for a harmonious, multiracial society. David’s demands have caused widespread social alienation, and from this alienation a thousand social pathologies have sprung. Last summer, I attempted what I knew would be a hopeless task. I tried to convince David that I see myself as a link in the endless chain of generations, with an inescapable responsibility to respond to his teachings. As I expected, David was unconvinced. All people, including petulant derelicts, ought to be kind and sensitive to one another, and every intellectually honest person knows it. If he is victorious in his quest to talk about you and me in terms which are not fit to be repeated, then his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity. Is this anything other than morally repugnant gangsterism? The answer is obvious if you happen to notice that David contends that women are spare parts in the social repertoire — mere optional extras. Sounds rather gormless, doesn’t it? Well, that’s David for you. Several things he has said have brought me to the boiling point. The statement of his that made the strongest impression on me, however, was something to the effect of how people are pawns to be used and manipulated. It is well known that David is proposing a cure for which there is no disease or, more likely, a disease for which there is no cure. But there is no place in this country where we are safe from David’s vicegerents, no place where we are not targeted for hatred and attack. Now that I’ve had time to think hard about his philosophies, my only question is this: Why? Why combine, in a rare mixture, bestial cruelty and an inconceivable gift for lying? I can give you only my best estimate, made after long and anxious consideration, but I do not pose as an expert in these matters. I can say only that you shouldn’t let him intimidate you. You shouldn’t let him push you around. We’re the ones who are right, not David. Trumpeted so many times, his reinterpretations of historic events have begun to feed on themselves, to generate their own publicity, to cow their opponents not by argument but by sheer repetition, and to initiate a reign of fickle terror. His views are definitely despised by everyone but cruel lummoxes. I always catch hell whenever I say something like that, so let me assure you that he pompously claims that anyone who resists him deserves to be crushed. That sort of nonsense impresses many people, unfortunately. I’m sure you get my point here. If David is going to talk about higher standards, then he needs to live by those higher standards. We must answer the antihumanist, viperine provocateurs who create an atmosphere of mistrust, in which speculations and rumors gain the appearance of viability and compete openly with more carefully considered theories. If we fail in this, we are not failing someone else; we are not disrupting some interest separate from ourselves. Rather, it is we who suffer when we neglect to observe that if David thinks that the most valuable skill one can have is to be able to lie convincingly, then he’s sadly mistaken. We’ve all heard him yammer and whine about how he’s being scapegoated again, the poor dear. David is like a broken record, using the same tired cliches about family and education and safer streets, yet the biggest difference between me and David is that David wants to encourage and exacerbate passivity in some people who might otherwise be active and responsible citizens. I, on the other hand, want to reverse the devolutionary course he has set for us. Now, I don’t mean for that to sound pessimistic, although that is no excuse for anything — and David knows it. He thinks it would be a great idea to expose and neutralize his enemies rather than sit at the same table and negotiate. Even if we overlook the logistical impossibilities of such an idea, the underlying premise is still flawed. Will the most beer-guzzling scumbags you’ll ever see ever make technical preparations for the achievement of freedom and human independence? Don’t bet on it. Almost every day, David outreaches himself in setting new records for arrogance, deceit, and greed. It’s indisputably breathtaking to watch him. Who is he to decide what is morally acceptable for us and what is not? Whatever else may be the case, it is certain that as that last sentence suggests, he has spent untold hours trying to enact new laws forcing anyone who’s not one of his helpers to live in an environment that can, at best, be described as contemptuously tolerant. During that time, did it ever once occur to him that he publicly disavows his ties to isolationism while secretly encouraging his accomplices to pursue a twofold credo of Comstockism and unilateralism? The only clear answer to emerge from the conflicting, contradictory stances that he and his stooges take is that his careless, morally crippled viewpoints arose out of an unjust system only to spread more injustice in their wake, proving that there is no end to indecent ethnocentrism. For future reference, some wayward autocrats actually suspect that everything David says is utterly and totally true. This is the kind of muddled thinking that David is encouraging with his commentaries. Even worse, all those who raise their voice against this brainwashing campaign are denounced as egocentric mafia dons. Stand with me, be honest with me, and help me tell you things that Mr. David L Gartner doesn’t want you to know, and together we’ll push the envelope on our knowledge of the world around us. We’ll clean up the country and get it back on course again. I’m counting on you. Thanks for reading this. — k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9 — e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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*** I realize that everyone is entitled to his opinion, and I respect this. I also hope that you will all respect mine as you read this posting. For openers, if  David Gartner had done his homework,

etc etc what? Ray

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*** I realize that everyone is entitled to his opinion, and I respect this. I also hope that you will all respect mine as you read this posting.

<snip Isn’t this one or those letter generators where you type in someone’s name and it does the rest?? Joy

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opined: Isn’t this one or those letter generators where you type in someone’s name and it does the rest??

*** No. I wrote it all, you twat. — k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9 — e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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opined: Isn’t this one or those letter generators where you type in someone’s name and it does the rest?? *** No. I wrote it all, you twat.

Yay me. I’ve officially been called a name by Keith Alexander

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I have been trying hard to keep a regular workout schedule for over a year now.  I am also about to get my first tattoo.  It will be between my shoulder blades.  Because of the permenancy of the tattoo I’m not interested in pushing for early workouts, I’m just curious as to how soon you all think I would be able to begin working out again.  I am mainly asking about bench presses and other bench work.  How long will I need to stay away from the bench? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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I have been trying hard to keep a regular workout schedule for over a year now.  I am also about to get my first tattoo.  It will be between my shoulder blades.  Because of the permenancy of the tattoo I’m not interested in pushing for early workouts, I’m just curious as to how soon you all think I would be able to begin working out again.  I am mainly asking about bench presses and other bench work.  How long will I need to stay away from the bench?

5 years. Any help would be greatly appreciated

get to know your body better and then you can help yourself. david

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I have been trying hard to keep a regular workout schedule for over a year now.  I am also about to get my first tattoo.  It will be between my shoulder blades.  Because of the permenancy of the tattoo I’m not interested in pushing for early workouts, I’m just curious as to how soon you all think I would be able to begin working out again.  I am mainly asking about bench presses and other bench work.  How long will I need to stay away from the bench? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

*Hi Craig, Why not try cautiously when your skin is back to normal again/looks healed, feels healed? Corine — Reality is a crutch for people who can’t cope with drugs. –Lily Tomlin

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following a tattooing session: I am mainly asking about bench presses and other bench work.  How long will I need to stay away from the bench?

I’d allow healing time since you said the tattoo will be on your back, but why not do some *non*-bench work?  Push ups still work.   Are you training at home or in a gym?   I’m sure you could rig up the "peck deck" to avoid the tattooed area.  Standing flyes with cables would work as well. Are you working out in a cycling program? Arrange your cycle so that your heaviest bench work arrives just as you arrive at your tattoo appointment.  Then take a much-deserved ten- to 14-day break from chest work. If you can’t stay out of the gym then hit your shoulders and triceps which will help keep your bench up even without the direct bench work. — Curt http://www.curtjames.com/

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C tattoo will be on your back, but why not C do some *non*-bench work?  Push ups C still work.   C If you can’t stay out of the gym then C hit your shoulders and triceps which C will help keep your bench up even         perhaps you hadn’t noticed, but moving your arms & shoulders to do pushups or presses affects your back.         i don’t believe the guy stated the size of this upcoming piece, but if it’s any bigger than your average TAZ, your answers are inappropriate. lish                         "do i look fat?" "only about the face neck 36.6% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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*Hi Craig, Why not try cautiously when your skin is back to normal again/looks healed, feels healed?

I do want to pay attention to my skin and the healing process, I just don’t have any experience to draw from so I wasn’t sure how long I would need to wait.  I’ve read about swimming and sun but not working out. Any thoughts?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – C tattoo will be on your back, but why not C do some *non*-bench work?  Push ups C still work.   C If you can’t stay out of the gym then C hit your shoulders and triceps which C will help keep your bench up even    perhaps you hadn’t noticed, but moving your arms & shoulders to do pushups or presses affects your back.    i don’t believe the guy stated the size of this upcoming piece, but if it’s any bigger than your average TAZ, your answers are inappropriate.

I didn’t get Curts posting yet so I’ve included it as well.  The design is a circular weave with a tribal background.  It will be about the size of a CD (4-5 inch diameter).  I figured that I could keep working the bicepts and tricepts (going to see how it feels).  I hadn’t thought about how push ups or other non-bench excercises using back muscles may or may not be appropriate.

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get to know your body better and then you can help yourself.

I was just looking for some opinions ahead of time.  I will be paying attention to my body during the time of healing.

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: I have been trying hard to keep a regular workout schedule for over a : year now.  I am also about to get my first tattoo.  It will be between : my shoulder blades.  Because of the permenancy of the tattoo I’m not : interested in pushing for early workouts, I’m just curious as to how : soon you all think I would be able to begin working out again.  I am : mainly asking about bench presses and other bench work.  How long will : I need to stay away from the bench? Hi Craig, When I got my tat (about 4×4 on lower back) I skipped anything that would rub that part of my back.  So instead of dumbbell presses for chest I did standing cross overs with the cables.  Since yours will be in an area that will be affected by even that I would recommend staying away from chest exercises until the skin over your new tat is pliable enough to not crack or anything while doing these exercises.  I think it will be very dependent on how the tat heals. You’ll shorten your time away from the chest exercises by keeping the tattoo well moisturized so that it heals fast.  In my experience mine was probably well enough healed in 10 days to two weeks.  YMMV. Good luck, Caryn

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I do want to pay attention to my skin and the healing process, I just don’t have any experience to draw from so I wasn’t sure how long I would need to wait.  I’ve read about swimming and sun but not working out. Any thoughts?

*I understand your question, there is however no general answer to that : YMMV. Much depends how quick you heal, how the tattoo artist technique was, etc… As long as your tattoed area feels fine again, try and examine how it goes. Use caution. Corine — Reality is a crutch for people who can’t cope with drugs. –Lily Tomlin

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When I got my tat (about 4×4 on lower back) I skipped anything that would rub that part of my back.  So instead of dumbbell presses for chest I did standing cross overs with the cables.  Since yours will be in an area that will be affected by even that I would recommend staying away from chest exercises until the skin over your new tat is pliable enough to not crack or anything while doing these exercises.  I think it will be very dependent on how the tat heals. You’ll shorten your time away from the chest exercises by keeping the tattoo well moisturized so that it heals fast.  In my experience mine was probably well enough healed in 10 days to two weeks.  YMMV.

This is what I was looking for.  Its a little longer than I had expected but I do not want to rush it.  Thank you for the response.  I also want to thank those of you that told me just to watch my body. All of it was good advice.  I have a week of jury duty coming up anyway, I’ll make my appointment to burn that week during my excercise lull; I work out at lunch usually. Thank you all, Craig PS I drive over to Missouri, tomorrow, to check out a couple of shops that I have references for.  Not that it matters but I’m excited.

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[snip] | PS I drive over to Missouri, tomorrow, to check out a couple of shops | that I have references for.  Not that it matters but I’m excited. If you’re in the east side of the state, try to get down to St. Robert and check out Fay’s Tattoo.  They have some of the best artists in the state. One in particular is excellent.  His web portfolio is at www.catbones.com Patrick iam.bmezine.com/?Patrick www.iland.net/~drgnswrd/

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If you’re in the east side of the state, try to get down to St. Robert and check out Fay’s Tattoo.  They have some of the best artists in the state. One in particular is excellent.  His web portfolio is at www.catbones.com

That’s where I’m off to.  It’s good to hear another vote for him.  Two folks that I know here in Oklahoma had work done by Cat.  I was also told that Shane at East Coast Al’s does great stuff, by a co-worker. Unfortunately, he is no longer there.  My 14 hour road trip is down to ten, which isn’t all bad I guess.  I realize that Al is a well respected artist but I just like having seen Shane’s and Cat’s work in person.  Unless something at the shop spooks me I’m probably looking at a Cat piece.

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C tattoo will be on your back, but why not C do some *non*-bench work?  Push ups C still work.   C If you can’t stay out of the gym then C hit your shoulders and triceps which C will help keep your bench up even    perhaps you hadn’t noticed, but moving your arms & shoulders to do pushups or presses affects your back.

Perhaps *you* hadn’t noticed, but doing pushups and standing cable or dumbbell work will *not* involve rubbing your newly-tattooed back on a _bench_.   By avoiding the contact/friction of the bench with the skin of the back there will be no chance of scraping, scratching, or infection caused from using a bench. It’s not about using your muscles – as you suggest (or did I misread you?) – but rather about the contact (rubbing, pressure, friction) with the bench.    i don’t believe the guy stated the size of this upcoming piece, but if it’s any bigger than your average TAZ, your answers are inappropriate.

And why would that be?  The effect of his tattooed skin rubbing against the bench is what he’s – in my opinion – questioning. But, by all means, share your experience. — Curt http://www.curtjames.com/

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[snip] I hadn’t thought about how push ups or other non-bench excercises using back muscles may or may not be appropriate.

[snip] The non-bench work I was suggesting would work your chest, *not* your back. Pushups, standing cable flyes, wide-grip dips would all work your chest muscles without having your newly-tattooed back make contact with the bench and possibly disturbing (?) the tattoo. Best of luck with your tattoo (design sounds interesting) and your workouts. — Curt http://www.curtjames.com/

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Craig wrote… If you’re in the east side of the state, try to get down to St. Robert and check out Fay’s Tattoo.  They have some of the best artists in the state. One in particular is excellent.  His web portfolio is at www.catbones.com That’s where I’m off to.  It’s good to hear another vote for him.  Two folks that I know here in Oklahoma had work done by Cat.

Plus about half of rab . Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net

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C The non-bench work I was suggesting would C work your chest, *not* your back. C Pushups, standing cable flyes, wide-grip dips C would all work your chest muscles without C having your newly-tattooed back make contact C with the bench and possibly disturbing (?) the tattoo.         curt.         do a pushup & tell me your back isn’t affected.         having a freshly-tattooed back flat against a bench would be less detrimental than constricting & stretching the scabs the way you’re suggesting. lish                                            "they think you’re nice 36.6% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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It’s not about using your muscles – as you suggest (or did I misread you?) – but rather about the contact (rubbing, pressure, friction) with the bench.

Actually, it is. If you stretch healing skin, it cracks apart and doesn’t heal as well. At the very least, it means prolonged healing. It also could lead to infection, color loss and unevenness of the texture of the skin. Shut up and listen to your betters. Concentrate more on absorbing information andless on becoming an instant regular with your cutesy hyperfriendly crap. Just a thought. Jess

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Pushups, standing cable flyes, wide-grip dips would all work your chest muscles without having your newly-tattooed back make contact with the bench and possibly disturbing (?) the tattoo.

Stand up and have someone put some scotch tape on your back. Then do some pushups and tell us you don’t notice thow the tape is being stretched. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net

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…The effect of his tattooed skin rubbing against the bench is what he’s – in my opinion – questioning.

IMHO, one of the risks of going to the gym too soon after a tattoo is the risk of exposure to staph infections. For that reason alone I think it’s a good idea to simply stay away for a week or ten days. Yes, I know tattoo wounds seal up in about 24 hours, but you still have a large surface area sporting unhealed broken skin. Chee, I should google to see if anyone’s done research on the bugs that live on the equipment in typical gyms. Or does someone have this info at their fingertips? — Skookums Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

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Pushups, standing cable flyes, wide-grip dips would all work your chest muscles without having your newly-tattooed back make contact with the bench and possibly disturbing (?) the tattoo.

nina Stand up and have someone put some scotch tape on your back. Then do some pushups and tell us you don’t notice thow the tape is being stretched.

*What she says. While I don’t do push-ups I do fitness twice a week. Using a rowing machine that allows you to sit perfectly straight up affects your upper back skin and muscles. So does standing cable excercices, yaddayyaddayadda… And I am not even talking about very physical jobs beside working out. Corine ps: OExclusiveBodMod: I’ve got a piece of broken discus voyaging freely in my lower back. Should i get it pierced after removing ? — Reality is a crutch for people who can’t cope with drugs. –Lily Tomlin

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[snip] Using a rowing machine that allows you to sit perfectly straight up affects your upper back skin and muscles. So does standing cable excercices,

[snip] Yes, I agree with lish, Nina Baltes, and you, Corine, that pushups and cable work will stretch the skin of your back, but *not* incredibly.  The range of motion of pec or chest work is much _less_ than the range of motion of lat or back work, imo. I’m not expecting Craig to test this opinion, however. To wit, would you, lish, and Nina, and anyone else, please look at my original reply to Craig? http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Are+you+training+at+home+or+in+a+gy… See the second-to-last paragraph in my reply, fwiw. He mentioned bench work because, I’m assuming, he realized that there might be a problem with doing benches while having a fresh tattoo on his back. Elsewhere in this ng, I mentioned somatypes… http://www.femalemuscle.com/library/weekly/aa072800.htm … with regard to bodies and weight loss. People differ from other people according to their somatype, but also according to their skin type. Some have oily skin, some have dry skin, and some have _normal_ skin.  I’d be curious to know how the different skin types experience healing, scabbing, etc. Skin is not Scotch

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I had a dream the  whole tattoo faded..woke of sweating ..then had to check..phew..it is fine.. Annie

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I had a dream the  whole tattoo faded..woke of sweating ..then had to check..phew..it is fine..

I had a horrible dream the other night that I was eating a short, tattooed, self-loathing marshmallow prone to bad spoken word and even worse lyric writing. When I woke up, Henry Rollins was gone. Wonder what it means…. Regards, Shemyaza www.immortalcoildesigns.com Unique Dark tattoo design

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I had a dream the  whole tattoo faded..woke of sweating ..then had to check..phew..it is fine.. I had a horrible dream the other night that I was eating a short, tattooed, self-loathing marshmallow prone to bad spoken word and even worse lyric writing. When I woke up, Henry Rollins was gone. Wonder what it means….

I had a dream that some rancid glob of ass-spooge came to the group to promote its horrible site chock full o’ ugly designs, then posted one off-topic post to create the image that he’s one of the gang and therefore should not be reamed for his lack of taste and talent, or for spamming the group. I have not yet awakened. Jess

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I had a horrible dream the other night that I was eating a short, tat I had a dream that some rancid glob of ass-spooge came to the group to promote its horrible site chock full o’ ugly designs, then posted one off-topic post to create the image that he’s one of the gang and therefore should not be reamed for his lack of taste and talent, or for spamming the group.

Thanks for sharing. And to put a finer point on your spectacular intention detection skills, no, I am not creating an image of being "one of the gang"; I prefer closer contact in whom I choose to be considered "one of the gang" with, and seeing as you are currently a bunch of pixels on my screen, I’m afraid you fall rather short of my criteria. I have not yet awakened.

Some things are so obvious as to not need pointing out. Regards, Shem www.immortalcoildesigns.com Unique Dark tattoo design

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Some things are so obvious as to not need pointing out.

*Some things do need pointing… How about reading this before posting again? http://www.mutilation.net/yttrx/rabsurv Corine —  "That which we are unconscious to becomes our destiny."  Carl Jung

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<snip amazing!  this is the first post of yours that wasn’t quoted by someone else that i’ve seen in months!  i’m not getting TQ’s posts, either.  :( david

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amazing!  this is the first post of yours that wasn’t quoted by someone else that i’ve seen in months!  i’m not getting TQ’s posts, either.  :(

*Oh I’ve been posting allright I’m not always getting original posts too sometimes, only replies.. Usenet servers have a will of their own… Corine —  "That which we are unconscious to becomes our destiny."  Carl Jung

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I have recently begun working as a lifeguard at the local public baths, and since noone seems willing to make my day interesting by drowning themselves, I have little to do exept watch people’s bodyart. Somehow, it seems that all the tattoos I see can be placed into the following categories: 1) Faded old sailor stuff on 50+ y.o. men, mostly fouled anchors and other oldtimey flash designs. 2) Red roses on the shoulderblades of middle-age housewifes. and 3) Teeny-cutesy black pseudo-tribal stuff on girls who look underage. Usually real small so you could easily mistake it for a birthmark. I see noo large coverage or obviously custom designs, just flash or stuff that might as well have been flash. The only reasonably colorful tattos are category nr2. Nr1 all look greenish blue but may well have been black at one time; they probably looked just as crappy when new though. Nr3 is all blackwork. Do people with large and/or quality tattoos never go swimming? Or are there simply noone in my area with extensive tattoo coverage? Are teenage girls and middleage houswives overrepresented as tattoo customers? And how likely is a 45 y.o. housewife to choose a flash red rose as her first tattoo design? I guess none of the above make much sense, but I’m bored. So there. — Warg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have recently begun working as a lifeguard at the local public baths, and since noone seems willing to make my day interesting by drowning themselves, I have little to do exept watch people’s bodyart. Somehow, it seems that all the tattoos I see can be placed into the following categories: 1) Faded old sailor stuff on 50+ y.o. men, mostly fouled anchors and other oldtimey flash designs. 2) Red roses on the shoulderblades of middle-age housewifes. and 3) Teeny-cutesy black pseudo-tribal stuff on girls who look underage. Usually real small so you could easily mistake it for a birthmark. I see noo large coverage or obviously custom designs, just flash or stuff that might as well have been flash. The only reasonably colorful tattos are category nr2. Nr1 all look greenish blue but may well have been black at one time; they probably looked just as crappy when new though. Nr3 is all blackwork. Do people with large and/or quality tattoos never go swimming? Or are there simply noone in my area with extensive tattoo coverage? Are teenage girls and middleage houswives overrepresented as tattoo customers? And how likely is a 45 y.o. housewife to choose a flash red rose as her first tattoo design? I guess none of the above make much sense, but I’m bored. So there.

probably something to do with geography.  ive seen lots of tattooed people at the pool…some with custom stuff covering like 30 percent of their bodies.

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W Do people with large and/or quality tattoos never go swimming? Or are th W simply noone in my area with extensive tattoo coverage? Are teenage girl         some people worry about tanning in the sun. i worry about fading. lish 35.1% / 29                 that they cannot appreciate our genius." -hc

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onpxjneqf sbe fngna: Do people with large and/or quality tattoos never go swimming?

        in lakes, up north, at night.         ’tis better to risk fish poo than faded tattoo. carrie — * skerry [oot] ossuary [dawt] net * * don’t get upset girl, that’s just how it goes. * i don’t love you h0ez, I’m out the do’.

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onpxjneqf sbe fngna: Do people with large and/or quality tattoos never go swimming? in lakes, up north, at night. ’tis better to risk fish poo than faded tattoo.

Well, this is north of the arctic circle, so swimming in iced-over lakes is right out of the question. The pool is of course indoors, so no exposure to sunlight. Is pool water really that bad for tattoos? — Warg

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some people worry about tanning in the sun. i worry about fading.

and crosses, wooden stakes, and silver bullets. ; ) — jake

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some people worry about tanning in the sun. i worry about fading. and crosses, wooden stakes, and silver bullets. ; )

and i thought our concern was not getting her wet or feeding her after midnight. shit. ~christyn *** yank ME to reply ***

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some people worry about tanning in the sun. i worry about fading. and crosses, wooden stakes, and silver bullets. ; ) and i thought our concern was not getting her wet or feeding her after midnight. shit. ~christyn

*You wear a Swatch don’t you? Corine — Nothing is so firmly believed as that which is least known.  - Michel de Montaigne

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Hi,   First off, what tattoo parlours are recomended in this area? Has anyone had experiences with any somewhat locally? Secondly, I know that you can’t wear tight clothing around the area that you get tattooed. How long is that for? I want to get a tattoo of corset laces on my back, but until that heals up I won’t be able to wear my corsets because, obviously they are so tight. I was just wondering how long I would have to go without wearing it. Also, does anyone have any pics of anyone whos had similar tattoos that I can sow the tatoo artist to get ideas started rolling for my tattoo? Thank sanyone for their help.

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that you can’t wear tight clothing around the area that you get tattooed. How long is that for? I want to get a tattoo of corset laces on my back, but until that heals up I won’t be able to wear my corsets because, obviously they are so tight. I was just wondering how long I would have to go without wearing it. Also, does anyone have any pics

You can’t wear something as tight as a corset until the tattoo is healed.  Obviously.  That takes about 7 – 10 days, depending on how quickly you heal. As of helping your artist – wear your corset to the shop. Have a good, CLEAR photo of your back with the corset on for him to look and, i dunno, get the right number of eyelets. He should probably ‘get’ what you want without reference to anybody elses’ work. TQ

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Hi,   First off, what tattoo parlours are recomended in this area?

don’t they have telephone books in your area?  ask your mommy to show you how to use one.  Has anyone had experiences with any somewhat locally?

with any what?  telephone books?  i have experience with my local telephone book, mostly.  but in my adult life, i’ve lived in other cities and have used those telephone books as well. Secondly, I know that you can’t wear tight clothing around the area that you get tattooed. How long is that for? I want to get a tattoo of corset laces on my back, but until that heals up I won’t be able to wear my corsets because, obviously they are so tight. I was just wondering how long I would have to go without wearing it.

uh, when you figger out how to use a telephone book, you can get many of your questions answered by contacting a tattoo artist. Also, does anyone have any pics of anyone whos had similar tattoos that I can sow the tatoo artist to get ideas started rolling for my tattoo?

what does the term ‘artist’ mean to you? Thank sanyone for their help.

anytime.  i love to help. david

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<< don’t they have telephone books in your area?  ask your mommy to show you how to use one. Since when does the telephone book list recommendations for tattoo shops and artists? -Meghan

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<< don’t they have telephone books in your area?  ask your mommy to show you how to use one. Since when does the telephone book list recommendations for tattoo shops and artists?

do i really need to answer this?  can you really not figger it out on your own? ok, here goes: OP can look up names of shops, call and ask questions.  OP can go down to the shops and hangout and ask questions of the artists, people in the lobby, etc. david

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi,   First off, what tattoo parlours are recomended in this area? don’t they have telephone books in your area?  ask your mommy to show you how to use one.  Has anyone had experiences with any somewhat locally? with any what?  telephone books?  i have experience with my local telephone book, mostly.  but in my adult life, i’ve lived in other cities and have used those telephone books as well. Typical of the help and advice in this ng

i noticed that your advice wasn’t of much help either.  oh, that’s right, that’s because you didn’t *bother* to help the OP. you just posted more bitterness. RABbits tend to help those that help themselves.  OP didn’t do any home- or legwork before posting.  OP expected us to look up the names of tattoo artists in OP’s area and get recommendations for them.  RAB is not a service.  however, if you, kynoch, would like to do all that, feel free.  i’m sure everyone will love you and let you join in the reindeer games. david

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Typical of the help and advice in this ng

And you’ve helped, how? You know, Colin, it’s getting old.  You’ve implied your use of the English (real English) language is better, because, well, you’re Australian.  You’ve bitched about our answers, yet you’ve not answered a post directly yourself.  And you’ve pulled the old schoolyard taunt of "I was going to, but not now because I don’t like you" crap. I’ll bet you will spend your entire life here not answering one question on body art.  Not one on piercing.  Not one having to do with a tattoo design.  Nothing. And I bet you’ll even try to make a witty retort on this post. Kavin

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<< OP can look up names of shops, call and ask questions.  OP can go down to the shops and hangout and ask questions of the artists, people in the lobby, etc. "Hi, is this Tattoo Shop X?  Do you guys suck?  You don’t?  Okay, thanks." Sheesh.  Since when is asking for shop recommendations on a bodyart newsgroup worthy of a snarkypuss reply? -Meghan

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David RL Gartner schrieb: ok, here goes: OP can look up names of shops, call and ask questions.  OP can go down to the shops and hangout and ask questions of the artists, people in the lobby, etc.

Careful, David. You’re acting even more stupid than usual. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net

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blah

KT And I bet you’ll even try to make a witty retort on this post.         has there been wit yet? i’ve TOTALLY missed it.         someone should compile a best-of. lish 35.1% / 28                           "Don’t think we care.  Ever." -k.t

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<< OP can look up names of shops, call and ask questions.  OP can go down to the shops and hangout and ask questions of the artists, people in the lobby, etc. "Hi, is this Tattoo Shop X?  Do you guys suck?  You don’t?  Okay, thanks." Sheesh.  Since when is asking for shop recommendations on a bodyart newsgroup worthy of a snarkypuss reply?

Seems to be par for the course here. Particularly from complete sprogs like David Colin Kynoch

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<< OP can look up names of shops, call and ask questions.  OP can go down to the shops and hangout and ask questions of the artists, people in the lobby, etc. "Hi, is this Tattoo Shop X?  Do you guys suck?  You don’t?  Okay, thanks." Sheesh.  Since when is asking for shop recommendations on a bodyart newsgroup worthy of a snarkypuss reply?

i noticed that you haven’t given any recommendations to the OP. at least not in *this* forum. if i have to spell it out for you, then your intelligence levels have sunk far, far below sea level. i’m done with the meghan aspect of this thread. david

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First off, I’d like to thank Tabaqui for his/her great advice and I hadn’t even thought of going into the tattoo place wearing my corset, I was just looking for pictures to get ideas from. Letting the artist see my back in a corset is going to be the best model to go by. Thanks again. And as for the idiotic dribble of a reply I received from David, I just have a few things to say. First off, a phonebook is a list of shops, not any sort of description or review of them. Perhaps its you who have never used a phonebook? I would think that any shop I call would extoll their own virtues and prowess and downplay the skills, cleanliness, etc of their competitors. Secondly, I have a professional full time job and don’t have the time to "hang out" in all of the tattoo places in town and chit-chat with every tattoo affiliated person I run into. Thirdly, I’ve spoken with people I’ve run into and know who have tattoos and tried to get personal recommendations and advice, but the vast majority of them have either gotten their tattos done by artists not affilitaed with a tattoo place, or gotten them done out of town/state/country. Lastly, one of the main uses of the internet today is for research, especially on subjects that one may have trouble finding local information about. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – that you can’t wear tight clothing around the area that you get tattooed. How long is that for? I want to get a tattoo of corset laces on my back, but until that heals up I won’t be able to wear my corsets because, obviously they are so tight. I was just wondering how long I would have to go without wearing it. Also, does anyone have any pics You can’t wear something as tight as a corset until the tattoo is healed.  Obviously.  That takes about 7 – 10 days, depending on how quickly you heal. As of helping your artist – wear your corset to the shop. Have a good, CLEAR photo of your back with the corset on for him to look and, i dunno, get the right number of eyelets. He should probably ‘get’ what you want without reference to anybody elses’ work. TQ

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Secondly, I have a professional full time job and don’t have the time to "hang out" in all of the tattoo places in town and chit-chat with every tattoo affiliated person I run into.

But you will ask strangers you have never met, whose work (either on, or by) you didn’t request to look at and have not seen? You don’t have to "hang out" everywhere, but you can tell a lot by walking in a place or two. And, since you have time to post at work, I’m sure you have time to call a place or two.  And honestly, a drive to Atlanta is an excursion I would recommend. Lastly, one of the main uses of the internet today is for research, especially on subjects that one may have trouble finding local information about.

And you believe EVERYTHING on the net, don’t you? If it has to be Augusta, and we don’t know anyone in Augusta, the phonebook is the place to start.  if you don’t have the time to do minimal research, I’m not sure you have time for a tattoo. After all, you’ll live with the tattoo for the rest of your life.  There are people here who did their research for a year. Kavin

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First off, I’d like to thank Tabaqui for his/her great advice and

Never mind him. He’s the virtual village idiot. I hadn’t even thought of going into the tattoo place wearing my corset, I was just looking for pictures to get ideas from. Letting the artist see my back in a corset is going to be the best model to go by.

Have you seen the ones here: http://www.oceanictatau.com , in the "women’s backs" section? You might want to travel . Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net

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After all, you’ll live with the tattoo for the rest of your life.  There are people here who did their research for a year.

Or ten. nj"or more"m "…those forearms.  Yowsa."

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"marirene" wrote Hi,   First off, what tattoo parlours are recomended in this area? Has anyone had experiences with any somewhat locally? Secondly, I know

ga.: cap szumski, deano cook, tony olivas. try a local chat room or try a search on google about augusta+tattoo. just go to atlanta or marietta.

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"marirene" wrote Hi,   First off, what tattoo parlours are recomended in this area? Has anyone had experiences with any somewhat locally? Secondly, I know ga.: cap szumski, deano cook, tony olivas.

Yeah, Cap!  He rocks, and is the NICEST guy you’d ever want to know. TQ

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"marirene" wrote Hi,   First off, what tattoo parlours are recomended in this area? Has anyone had experiences with any somewhat locally? Secondly, I know ga.: cap szumski, deano cook, tony olivas. try a local chat room or try a search on google about augusta+tattoo. just go to atlanta or marietta.

Or Debi Kienel (Dallas and Marietta). Kavin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << OP can look up names of shops, call and ask questions.  OP can go down to the shops and hangout and ask questions of the artists, people in the lobby, etc. "Hi, is this Tattoo Shop X?  Do you guys suck?  You don’t?  Okay, thanks." Sheesh.  Since when is asking for shop recommendations on a bodyart newsgroup worthy of a snarkypuss reply? i noticed that you haven’t given any recommendations to the OP. at least not in *this* forum.

Maybe they have no experience in Augusta GA. Maybe you didn’t think of that. if i have to spell it out for you, then your intelligence levels have sunk far, far below sea level.

Still miles higher than your then. <snip Colin Kynoch

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blah KT And I bet you’ll even try to make a witty retort on this post.         has there been wit yet? i’ve TOTALLY missed it.         someone should compile a best-of.

Done Following is the best of the wit in rec.arts.bodyart Hope you enjoyed it Colin Kynoch

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – blah KT And I bet you’ll even try to make a witty retort on this post.         has there been wit yet? i’ve TOTALLY missed it.         someone should compile a best-of. Done Following is the best of the wit in rec.arts.bodyart Hope you enjoyed it

Of course, I’m sure you understood Lish was sarcastically suggesting we make a best of list of "your" witty retorts, since, again, you understand you have yet to make your wit apparent. Actually, that makes your post ironic, I believe. Kavin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi,   First off, what tattoo parlours are recomended in this area? don’t they have telephone books in your area?  ask your mommy to show you how to use one.  Has anyone had experiences with any somewhat locally? with any what?  telephone books?  i have experience with my local telephone book, mostly.  but in my adult life, i’ve lived in other cities and have used those telephone books as well. Typical of the help and advice in this ng i noticed that your advice wasn’t of much help either.  oh, that’s right, that’s because you didn’t *bother* to help the OP. you just posted more bitterness.

I don’t have the misfortune to live in the USA so What ‘help’ could I be in this case.  You are the moron who answered a reasonable question with derision. RABbits tend to help those that help themselves.

Guess you aren’t a RABbit then, more RAbid OP didn’t do any home- or legwork before posting.  OP expected us to look up the names of tattoo artists in OP’s area and get recommendations for them.

Or maybe they thought that there was someone in Augusta, GA that may have had some personal experience in that area and coul offer a recommendation, I know this would be a foreign concept to an imbecile like yourself, but hey as far as giving advice on this ng you aren’t Robinson Crusoe. RAB is not a service.

No it is, unless it is different to all reasonable newsgroups, a froum to exchange ideas, recommendations, advice and general discussion.  If it isn’t maybe you could point me to the section in the FAQ that says that all queries by non-regular posters should be belittled and treated with contempt, if on the other hand it isn’t there, maybe you will realise that you are a selfish, ill-mannered prick. If you don’t want OP to post questions may I suggest you set up a closed group where you can mutually masturbate to your hearts content. <snip Colin Kynoch

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And you’ve helped, how? And the majority of posters on the ng help how??????

the point is: don’t complain unless you’re willing to do something about it. note" "do something about it" does not include complaining. or trolling. — I’m in it for the whole egocentrical koala

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"kynoch" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "marirene" wrote Hi,   First off, what tattoo parlours are recomended in this area? Has anyone had experiences with any somewhat locally? Secondly, I know ga.: cap szumski, deano cook, tony olivas. try a local chat room or try a search on google about augusta+tattoo. just go to atlanta or marietta. Careful Scott apparently being helpful and polite in this ng is against the rules.

fuck off. oh, and don’t reply to this.

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