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I posted this before but it never made it. I have learned that you should not copy any direct Maori patterns because it is disrespectful since it represents their bloodlines. Well, I am working on a scheme for my self. At the wrist , full work up to the shoulders. Predominatley black ink with the main lines about 1 1/2 inch thick. possibly spirals. I hope tthat the artists I have in mind have used something like a tapping blade. Anyhow, I was wondering how to get as close to a Maori look as I can, I am an admirer,  without offending an entire people? Any guidelines or rules? I can’t seem to locate any. thank ya kindly.

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I posted this before but it never made it. I have learned that you should not copy any direct Maori patterns because it is disrespectful since it represents their bloodlines. Well, I am working on a scheme for my self. At the wrist , full work up to the shoulders. Predominatley black ink with the main lines about 1 1/2 inch thick. possibly spirals. I hope tthat the artists I have in mind have used something like a tapping blade. Anyhow, I was wondering how to get as close to a Maori look as I can, I am an admirer,  without offending an entire people? Any guidelines or rules? I can’t seem to locate any. thank ya kindly.

Trevor Marshall www.oceanictatau.com. Let him design it.     Susan

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<snipMaori patterns <snipI hope tthat the artists I have in mind have used something like a tapping blade.

Wtf? "something like"? Do some research – which, in my mind, would include making phone calls, Googling, asking around? Anyhow, I was wondering how to get as close to a Maori look<snip

Well, the obvious, *find someone who has performed work with that aforementioned tapping blade*. Trevor Marshall www.oceanictatau.com. Let him design it.

Where are you located? And best of luck in your search. — Curt http://iam.bmezine.com/?curt http://www.curtjames.com/

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Well, the obvious, *find someone who has performed work with that aforementioned tapping blade*.

Highly unlikely, since it’s a *lost art* – the actual tool involved has been speculated to have been more on the order of a carving tool than a tapping blade. Ever seen photos of it? They’re grooves in the skin. That said, from what I understand not even Maori do it that way anymore.

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I scribbled: Well, the obvious, *find someone who has performed work with that aforementioned tapping blade*. Highly unlikely, since it’s a *lost art* – the actual tool involved has been speculated to have been more on the order of a carving tool than a tapping blade. Ever seen photos of it? They’re grooves in the skin. That said, from what I understand not even Maori do it that way anymore.

Angelina Jolie had an interview somewhere recently… got it: http://hot.ee/devangel/ar76.html | "It’s a protection prayer and it was done the traditional way with | the tapping." … where she said she’d gotten a tattoo done in Thailand using tapping. I’ve never seen photos of it, no. —

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Angelina Jolie had an interview somewhere recently… got it: http://hot.ee/devangel/ar76.html | "It’s a protection prayer and it was done the traditional way with | the tapping." … where she said she’d gotten a tattoo done in Thailand using tapping. I’ve never seen photos of it, no.

Apparently you have your geography a bit confused too. Maori == New Zealand Thai == Thailand They’re separated by quite a few miles. Angelina Jolie’s tattoo, however it was done, was NOT Maori if it was a Thai tattoo.

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I scribbled:<snip Apparently you have your geography a bit confused too. Maori == New Zealand Thai == Thailand They’re separated by quite a few miles. Angelina Jolie’s tattoo, however it was done, was NOT Maori if it was a Thai tattoo.

The OP stated Maori, yes, but he also mentioned tapping *and*: I was wondering how to get as close to a Maori look as I can

"Maori look"? Hey, if the OP wants a Maori-*style* or *look* tattoo, he can simply go to the neighborhood shop and plunk down his money, but if he wants an authentic Maori tattoo… you’re saying he can’t get one? And thanks for the geography lesson. —

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Apparently you have your geography a bit confused too. Maori == New Zealand Thai == Thailand They’re separated by quite a few miles. Angelina Jolie’s tattoo, however it was done, was NOT Maori if it was a Thai tattoo.

http://www.tamoko.org.nz/artists/uruora/faq.html has some info on it. The tools were actually chisels. They do claim on this site that there are modern-day practitioners of the art. However, I’ve heard that because there was a period of time during which ta moko was not allowed, much of the lore was lost. Although some artifacts have survived the actual techniques have not, and so the results now are often unlike the older examples. This was not the case in Samoa, where the practice went on pretty much uninterrupted, and they still use the traditional methods. So… I say again: go to someone like Trevor Marshall – he’s a New Zealander though not Maori, so understands that tribal moko is tapu. However, he’s made a study of the pacific/oceanic tribal styles and is knowledgeable enough  to design a tattoo which embodies the spirit of the Maori style while respecting the people.     Susan

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The OP stated Maori, yes, but he also mentioned tapping *and*:

You could I suppose call whacking a chisel with a mallet, "tapping."  I see a difference between the "tapping" of traditional japanese tattooing, lightly tapping a toothed tool,  and the skin chiselling done in ta moko. Another of the Maori arts is stone carving. Coincidence? I was wondering how to get as close to a Maori look as I can "Maori look"?

Yes, Maori LOOK. You do NOT want to STEAL a Maori moko. They do NOT take kindly to people who copy a tribal design which has great cultural and familial significance. There is a distinctive style to Maori tattooing, just as there is  to Samoan, to Marquesan, to Hawaiian, etc. They are not all the same. There are often motifs used in one that may not be common in the other. To lump them all together just because they’re black is simplistic. One thing about many of the oceanic styles is that they are designed *for the body*  Look at a Samoan pe’a – the shapes are created to wrap around the musculature around the hip, the buttocks, the thighs. Each one is different because the body it adorns is different. Hey, if the OP wants a Maori-*style* or *look* tattoo, he can simply go to the neighborhood shop and plunk down his money, but if he wants an authentic Maori tattoo… you’re saying he can’t get one?

No actually, he CAN’T go to the neighborhood shop and plunk down his money and get a GOOD Maori-style tattoo. Flash won’t cut it. And sure he COULD, maybe, get some ignoramous to copy an authentic Maori tattoo. But he’d better hope he doesn’t run into a Maori.     Susan

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There is a distinctive style to Maori tattooing, just as there is  to Samoan, to Marquesan, to Hawaiian, etc. They are not all the same. There are often motifs used in one that may not be common in the other. To lump them all together just because they’re black is simplistic.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a distinctive style to Maori tattooing, just as there is  to Samoan, to Marquesan, to Hawaiian, etc. They are not all the same. There are often motifs used in one that may not be common in the other. To lump them all together just because they’re black is simplistic. *** XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX

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The OP stated Maori, yes, but he also mentioned tapping *and*: You could I suppose call whacking a chisel with a mallet, "tapping."  I see a difference between the "tapping" of traditional japanese tattooing, lightly tapping a toothed tool,  and the skin chiselling done in ta moko. Another of the Maori arts is stone carving. Coincidence?

Correcting myself here: traditional japanese was "poking", not tapping. I believe Samoan and Hawaiian traditional style, among others, involved tapping.     Susan

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You do NOT want to STEAL a Maori moko. They do NOT take kindly to people who copy a tribal design which has great cultural and familial significance.

Yes, the OP stated as much. <snip interesting information Hey, if the OP wants a Maori-*style* or *look* tattoo, he can simply go to the neighborhood shop and plunk down his money, but if he wants an authentic Maori tattoo… you’re saying he can’t get one? No actually, he CAN’T

He can. (plunk his money down for a crap job) But, as you and he state, at the risk of insulting anyone Maori. go to the neighborhood shop and plunk down his money and get a GOOD Maori-style tattoo. Flash won’t cut it. And sure he COULD, maybe, get some ignoramous to copy an authentic Maori tattoo. But he’d better hope he doesn’t run into a Maori.

Okay. And: http://people.howstuffworks.com/tattoo3.htm Best of luck to the OP on getting an authentic Maori tattoo. I’m sure he can do that, too, with – as I stated in my first reply – some phone calls, Googling, and asking around. I asked where he was located when I saw where your recommended tattoo artist was located. Wait. I didn’t actually click your link. I just wondered if the OP and that artist were in the same time zone. —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The OP stated Maori, yes, but he also mentioned tapping *and*: You could I suppose call whacking a chisel with a mallet, "tapping."  I see a difference between the "tapping" of traditional japanese tattooing, lightly tapping a toothed tool,  and the skin chiselling done in ta moko. Another of the Maori arts is stone carving. Coincidence? Correcting myself here: traditional japanese was "poking", not tapping. I believe Samoan and Hawaiian traditional style, among others, involved tapping.     Susan

On a documentary I saw on the tele a few weeks ago, a crew of a tallship stopped in Polynesia and they got their tattoos done using the traditional method, of tapping and boars teeth. but it was done by locals, outside, very ceremoniously, so i am not sure if you can get it done under other circumstances.

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There is a distinctive style to Maori tattooing, just as there is  to Samoan, to Marquesan, to Hawaiian, etc. They are not all the same. There are often motifs used in one that may not be common in the other. To lump them all together just because they’re black is simplistic.

KA *** XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX KA XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX         seconded. i may call saram’s "art nouveau" work "neo-tribal", but i’d never put samaon or hawaiian or any other ACTUAL TRIBAL STYLE in the "black spiky doodles" category. lish                        "you poor, simple fools. thinking you could 39.3% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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They’re separated by quite a few miles. Angelina Jolie’s tattoo, however it was done, was NOT Maori if it was a Thai tattoo.

AFAIR, it wasn’t a thai tattoo either, as she had it done in Cambodia. Some ancient Khmer script. I wonder if she’s going to play Ellia in a film adaptation of Eternal Darkness (which is probably inevitable). Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net

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You do NOT want to STEAL a Maori moko. They do NOT take kindly to people who copy a tribal design which has great cultural and familial significance. Yes, the OP stated as much.

Thanks, that  was exactly my point. I saw where your recommended tattoo artist was located. Wait. I didn’t actually click your link. I just wondered if the OP and that artist were in the same time zone. —

In FL. actually. I know several fellows with great skill, , but the guy I think could and would do it may be retired. But I have been researching this sluggishly for years. It will happen, it’s just a matter of having the $ at the right time. Thanks for every comment!

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On a documentary I saw on the tele a few weeks ago, a crew of a tallship stopped in Polynesia and they got their tattoos done using the traditional method, of tapping and boars teeth. but it was done by locals, outside, very ceremoniously, so i am not sure if you can get it done under other circumstances.

Anywhere in particular in Polynesia? Otherwise, your point is rather… pointless.     Susan

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You do NOT want to STEAL a Maori moko. They do NOT take kindly to people who copy a tribal design which has great cultural and familial significance. Yes, the OP stated as much. Thanks, that  was exactly my point.

Yes, yet Curt then seemed to completely miss that this is the reason why you said Maori STYLE. In FL. actually. I know several fellows with great skill, , but the guy I think could and would do it may be retired. But I have been researching this sluggishly for years. It will happen, it’s just a matter of having the $ at the right time. Thanks for every comment!

Well, you are "in the same timezone", at least during the summer – Trevor Marshall works out of NH in the summer, and also does guest stints at No Ka Oi Tiki Tattoo in Philly. He does come east for a week or so a month, erratically, during the winter, but primarily to work on large pieces in progress, not to start new work. It would seem that to you getting it done in the "traditional" manner is important. Shy of going to New Zealand and finding someone willing to work on you, or hoping that some Maori tattoo artist will start hitting the conventions a la "The Borneo Headhunters", you probably won’t get it done in that manner. But if you can give up that ambition, I doubt you could find anyone more knowledgeable about this subject than Trevor here in the states.     Susan

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i may call saram’s "art nouveau" work "neo-tribal"

*** I think "neo-tribal" is perfectly acceptable for all of the mislabeled shit that drives me crazy. KA — www.nootrope.net

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i may call saram’s "art nouveau" work "neo-tribal"

KA *** I think "neo-tribal" is perfectly acceptable for KA all of the mislabeled shit that drives me crazy.         if it doesn’t come from or is inspired by an actual tribe of people, it’s neo-tribal. no culture? no special designation. "art nouveau" up your ass. lish                                       "it’s so fuckingly, boringly 39.3% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On a documentary I saw on the tele a few weeks ago, a crew of a tallship stopped in Polynesia and they got their tattoos done using the traditional method, of tapping and boars teeth. but it was done by locals, outside, very ceremoniously, so i am not sure if you can get it done under other circumstances. Anywhere in particular in Polynesia? Otherwise, your point is rather… pointless.     Susan

Well I know the ship stopped in Puka Puka,  Raratonga (sp?) and Vanuatu , but I cant recall which island they got the tattoos on. sorry.

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You do NOT want to STEAL a Maori moko. I scribbled: Yes, the OP stated as much. nulllo said: Thanks, that  was exactly my point. Yes, yet Curt then seemed to completely miss that this is the reason why you said Maori STYLE.<snip

Uh, Susan? He never said Maori style. He said: | Anyhow, I was wondering how to get as close to a Maori look as I can And I didn’t *miss* the OP’s concern at potentially offending any true Maori recipients. I’m posting not just for nulllo, but for the world. <g Now take a moment and pull that geography textbook and the Maori moko But if you can give up that ambition, I doubt you could find anyone more knowledgeable about this subject than Trevor here in the states.

Went back and clicked on the link you provided. Awesome art and I love the way his galleries are set up. Thanks for that URL. —

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They’re separated by quite a few miles. Angelina Jolie’s tattoo, however it was done, was NOT Maori if it was a Thai tattoo. <snipshe had it done in Cambodia<snip

Well, apparently she has more than one tattoo. The link (elsewhere in this thread) provided the following quote attributed to Jolie: "I have a new one on my back that I got in Thailand —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They’re separated by quite a few miles. Angelina Jolie’s tattoo, however it was done, was NOT Maori if it was a Thai tattoo. <snipshe had it done in Cambodia<snip Well, apparently she has more than one tattoo. The link (elsewhere in this thread) provided the following quote attributed to Jolie: "I have a new one on my back that I got in Thailand

Ah well, it’s still Khmer. So it’s still not a Thai tattoo. Predicting your next reply: http://www.sawadee.com/thailand/hilltribes/khmer/ Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net

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Hello, I’m looking at having a tattoo of one of Kozik "love bunnies" (http://www.posterpop.com/merchandise/cartitems/kzs29.html for an example image). However, unlike Coop and Alan Forbes, there doesn’t seem to be any Kozik tattoo flashes that I can find. Does anyone know if there are Kozik tattoo flashes about, or am I going to need to find someone to draw it themselves? I’m a newbie, so sorry if this is a dumb question. Any help much appreciated, Vic

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However, unlike Coop and Alan Forbes, there doesn’t seem to be any Kozik tattoo flashes that I can find. Does anyone know if there are Kozik tattoo flashes about, or am I going to need to find someone to draw it themselves?

Buy the poster, or if you’re really cheap, buy the sticker.  Bring it to a good tattoo artist.  Shouldn’t be too difficult.  If you’re willing to have this on your body forever, you for damn sure should be willing to have it hanging in your house. Kozik rocks. — Cheers. Carol http://iam.bmezine.com/?munkylvr If everyone likes you, you have no personality.

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Does anyone know if there are Kozik tattoo flashes about, or am I going to need to find someone to draw it themselves?

 i am pretty sure pleasureable has kozic flash. check them out for yourself. http://www.pleasurable.com/ if you don’t see it there give them a call. -pH www.stealbodyjewelry.com

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Thanks Carole – thats what I’m hoping. I’ve just sent the images to "Middleton Tattoo Studio" in Manchester, which seems to have a good repuation, to see if Louis there can do them – if he can, then I’ll go visit the studio and have a good look round. Kozik does indeed rock, and I do indeed have the posters. Well, some of them anyway…I’ve spent far too much money on them! (grin) Cheers, Vic

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Buy the poster, or if you’re really cheap, buy the sticker.  Bring it to a good tattoo artist.  Shouldn’t be too difficult.  If you’re willing to have this on your body forever, you for damn sure should be willing to have it hanging in your house. Kozik rocks. — Cheers. Carol http://iam.bmezine.com/?munkylvr If everyone likes you, you have no personality.

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Hi, Thanks for the link – none in their online store (although they did have a couple of posters!), so I’ve emailed them. Cheers, Vic

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know if there are Kozik tattoo flashes about, or am I going to need to find someone to draw it themselves?  i am pretty sure pleasureable has kozic flash. check them out for yourself. http://www.pleasurable.com/ if you don’t see it there give them a call. -pH www.stealbodyjewelry.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m looking at having a tattoo of one of Kozik "love bunnies" (http://www.posterpop.com/merchandise/cartitems/kzs29.html for an example image). However, unlike Coop and Alan Forbes, there doesn’t seem to be any Kozik tattoo flashes that I can find. Does anyone know if there are Kozik tattoo flashes about, or am I going to need to find someone to draw it themselves? I’m a newbie, so sorry if this is a dumb question. Any help much appreciated, Vic

Save the image to your hard drive. Then print it. You can even make it the size you want. If you don’t have a printer find a friend who does or go to Kinko’s. -jaalyn

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Where can I get cheap catalogues of common flash?

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"Lu"  wrote … Where can I get cheap catalogues of common flash?

what did you find on google.com?

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"Lu"  wrote … Where can I get cheap catalogues of common flash? what did you find on google.com?

I didn’t search the archives, I did do several searches with my engine though and didn’t find anything like what I’m looking for. Got any ideas? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Lu"  wrote … Where can I get cheap catalogues of common flash? what did you find on google.com?

*What’s google? Please email me the answer asap. Corine

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"Lu" wrote … "scott bock" wrote … "Lu"  wrote … Where can I get cheap catalogues of common flash? what did you find on google.com? I didn’t search the archives, I did do several searches with my engine though and didn’t find anything like what I’m looking for. Got

any ideas? why not? what are you looking for? flash? that’s pretty vague. there are spammers who try to sell their shit here even. what are you typing in to what engine?

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"Lu" wrote … "scott bock" wrote … "Lu"  wrote … Where can I get cheap catalogues of common flash? what did you find on google.com? I didn’t search the archives, I did do several searches with my engine though and didn’t find anything like what I’m looking for. Got any ideas? why not? what are you looking for? flash? that’s pretty vague. there are spammers who try to sell their shit here even. what are you typing in to what engine?

I was typing ‘flash’ and not finding anything. Now this morning I tried ‘tattoo flash’ and am finding a lot of prospects. It seems my wording was just poor to start with. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Lu" wrote … "scott bock" wrote … "Lu"  wrote … Where can I get cheap catalogues of common flash? what did you find on google.com? I didn’t search the archives, I did do several searches with my engine though and didn’t find anything like what I’m looking for. Got

any ideas? i typed "tattoo flash" & got 122,000 hits in 0.13 seconds. 3 urls on the first page. i don’t even know why i fucking did that for you.

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"Lu"  wrote … I was typing ‘flash’ and not finding anything. Now this morning I tried ‘tattoo flash’ and am finding a lot of prospects. It seems my wording was just poor to start with.

yep, you gotta exercise & water that brain.

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belched: I was typing ‘flash’ and not finding anything. Now this morning I tried ‘tattoo flash’ and am finding a lot of prospects. It seems my wording was just poor to start with.

*** I’m suprised. Because "flash" is always and only about tattoos. Never about nudity, photography, scalable vector graphics, stun grenades and so on. Hmmmm. — k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9 — e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n —                                   .|..

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*What’s google? Please email me the answer asap.

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*What’s google? Please email me the answer asap. I, I, I love you.

*Dear moderator, I keep getting all this strange messages of wierd people loving me. Unsuscribe me asap! xoxoxo Corine

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To unsubscribe forward 1.2 million US dollars to me, along with your first born,  and a dna sample.

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why not just buy good flash? dont you feel like people deserve to have tattoos that make them feel beautiful or empowered? or you could try developing your artistic ability….. just a suggestion.

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why not just buy good flash? dont you feel like people deserve to have tattoos that make them feel beautiful or empowered? or you could try developing your artistic ability….. just a suggestion.

Funny thing is I can take cheap flash and easily modify it to better flash. I can take samples and do the same, so this internet thing where people exhibit their samples is really a good source of material for me. I’m sure I’m not the only one who does this… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Lu confessed… Funny thing is I can take cheap flash and easily modify it to better flash. I can take samples and do the same, so this internet thing where people exhibit their samples is really a good source of material for me. I’m sure I’m not the only one who does this…

Probably not, lots of scratchers and hacks out there. How *proud* you must be. g "I know it’s pretty, baby, but I didn’t take it out for air."

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To unsubscribe forward 1.2 million US dollars to me, along with your first born,  and a dna sample. *Uh? okay! You take paypal? Small price to escape rab

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why not just buy good flash? dont you feel like people deserve to have tattoos that make them feel beautiful or empowered? or you could try developing your artistic ability….. just a suggestion.

If customers are so hot to feel beautiful or empowered, shouldn’t they do the leg-work themselves?  Ideally, flash, in my opinion, should be for inspiration.  Good flash, bad flash, they’re all just pictures. Whatever. — Cheers. Carol Get some "sack" to e-mail me. Science will find a cure.

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Just wondering if anyone here has eBay experiance. There is a lot of flash books on there. C.

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Just wondering if anyone here has eBay experiance. There is a lot of flash books on there. C.

I bought some sheets of flash that were pretty decent. Can be difficult to weed out people trying to sell their own stuff for extra cash and exposure from the people ripping off artists and selling it illegally. Be careful what you buy. AI

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"KICK ASS USA (TM)" -"KILL BIN LADEN(TM)" "VISUALIZE WORLD WAR (TM)" T-shirts PATRIOT- AMERICAN FLAG T-SHIRTS & TATTOO FLASH http://fightingamerican.da.ru Proceeds go to the American Red Cross and the United Way September 11th Fund. Kick Ass USA

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I SAW A TAT ON THE COVER OF TATTOO FLASH #45 (JUNE ISSUE) THAT I HAVE TO HAVE!!!!!  IT WAS THIS REALLY CUTE CHICK ON THE COVER AND SHE HAS A TAT ON HER ARM THAT IS SO PRETTY!!!! NE1 HAVE A BIGGER PIC OF THAT TAT SO I CAN TAKE IT TO A TATTOO ARTIST SO THEY CAN DO IT!  PLEASE SEND ME EMAIL CAUSE I DON’T READ THIS CLUB OFTEN!

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I SAW A TAT ON THE COVER OF TATTOO FLASH #45 (JUNE ISSUE) THAT I HAVE TO HAVE!!!!!  IT WAS THIS REALLY CUTE CHICK ON THE COVER AND SHE HAS A TAT ON HER ARM THAT IS SO PRETTY!!!! NE1 HAVE A BIGGER PIC OF THAT TAT SO I CAN TAKE IT TO A TATTOO ARTIST SO THEY CAN DO IT!  PLEASE SEND ME EMAIL CAUSE I DON’T READ THIS CLUB OFTEN!

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha ok, who’s trolling? — How can she love me when she doesn’t even love the cinema that I love?

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I SAW A TAT ON THE COVER OF TATTOO FLASH #45 (JUNE ISSUE) THAT I HAVE TO HAVE!!!!!  IT WAS THIS REALLY CUTE CHICK ON THE COVER AND SHE HAS A TAT ON HER ARM THAT IS SO PRETTY!!!! NE1 HAVE A BIGGER PIC OF THAT TAT SO I CAN TAKE IT TO A TATTOO ARTIST SO THEY CAN DO IT!  PLEASE SEND ME EMAIL CAUSE I DON’T READ THIS CLUB OFTEN!

You can find it on Diana’s arm.  I don’t think she’d be too pleased if you copied her tattoo.  She isn’t flash. — Nikki http://www.disgraceful.org "I’m not going to say anything inspirational, I’m just going to fucking swear a lot."

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I SAW A TAT ON THE COVER OF TATTOO FLASH #45 (JUNE ISSUE) THAT I HAVE TO HAVE!!!!!  IT WAS THIS REALLY CUTE CHICK ON THE COVER AND SHE HAS A TAT ON HER ARM THAT IS SO PRETTY!!!! NE1 HAVE A BIGGER PIC OF THAT TAT SO I CAN TAKE IT TO A TATTOO ARTIST SO THEY CAN DO IT!  PLEASE SEND ME EMAIL CAUSE I DON’T READ THIS CLUB OFTEN!

I…I cant believe I have nothing to say.   —–.* *speechless — Theres a hole in the world like a great black pit and its filled with people who are filled with shit and the vermin of the world inhabit it

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PLEASE SEND ME EMAIL CAUSE I DON’T READ THIS CLUB OFTEN!

Please, everyone who reads this, fulfill her request and email her. twice. thank you —Angie a.k.a. dstrss "On second thought, I think I am more crazy than my goat." – Remedios Varo  to reply: email me @home.net

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PLEASE SEND ME EMAIL CAUSE I DON’T READ THIS CLUB OFTEN! Please, everyone who reads this, fulfill her request and email her. twice.

Done and done.  :) —–. — Theres a hole in the world like a great black pit and its filled with people who are filled with shit and the vermin of the world inhabit it

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PLEASE SEND ME EMAIL CAUSE I DON’T READ THIS CLUB OFTEN! Please, everyone who reads this, fulfill her request and email her. twice. Done and done.  :)

WARNING: it writes back gack —Angie a.k.a. dstrss "On second thought, I think I am more crazy than my goat." – Remedios Varo  to reply: email me @home.net

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha ok, who’s trolling?

I think it’s real, even Gol wouldn’t post two non-binary  binaries to us for laughs. Just a normal AOLoser.

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha ok, who’s trolling? I think it’s real, even Gol wouldn’t post two non-binary  binaries to us for laughs. Just a normal AOLoser.

this person: 1. posted about someone we all KNOW is regular 2. called rab a "club" 3. asked to be emailed 4. posted a binary 5. used the term sXe but 6. spelled "tattoo" correctly im sorry. i refuse to believe shes real. — How can she love me when she doesn’t even love the cinema that I love?

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PLEASE SEND ME EMAIL CAUSE I DON’T READ THIS CLUB OFTEN! Please, everyone who reads this, fulfill her request and email her. twice. Done and done.  :) WARNING: it writes back

So I see: "FUCK U I DONT KNEED YOURE FUCKING PERMISSION I CAN DO WHAT I WANT ASSHOLE" A clearly massive intellect.   And sXe too.   I’m actually finding myself shocked and amazed once again that this kind of person actually exists.  I thought you only saw them on MTV, seriously. —–. — Theres a hole in the world like a great black pit and its filled with people who are filled with shit and the vermin of the world inhabit it

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PLEASE SEND ME EMAIL CAUSE I DON’T READ THIS CLUB OFTEN! Please, everyone who reads this, fulfill her request and email her. twice. Done and done.  :) WARNING: it writes back So I see: "FUCK U I DONT KNEED YOURE FUCKING PERMISSION I CAN DO WHAT I WANT ASSHOLE" A clearly massive intellect.   And sXe too.   I’m actually finding myself shocked and amazed once again that this kind of person actually exists.  I thought you only saw them on MTV, seriously.

obviously either a trolling reg or the biggest retard on the planet: "IF SHE DIDNT WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE HER TAT THEN SHE SHUD NOT BE ON A MAGAZINE!!!!  DO YOU KNOW HER?????  MAYBE SHE HAS A BIGGER PIC OF HER TAT I CAN USE!  WHAT IS HER EMAIL " —Angie a.k.a. dstrss "On second thought, I think I am more crazy than my goat." – Remedios Varo  to reply: email me @home.net

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I’m actually finding myself shocked and amazed once again that this kind of person actually exists.  I thought you only saw them on MTV, seriously.

http://www.bombaustin.org/myhumor/jj_mtvloop.txt — How can she love me when she doesn’t even love the cinema that I love?

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obviously either a trolling reg or the biggest retard on the planet: "IF SHE DIDNT WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE HER TAT THEN SHE SHUD NOT BE ON A MAGAZINE!!!!  DO YOU KNOW HER?????  MAYBE SHE HAS A BIGGER PIC OF HER TAT I CAN USE!  WHAT IS HER EMAIL "

oh.my.god. slkdfjksfjsldkfj also, it’s not really a tattoo, it’s a bunch of lick n’ stick things out of a crackerjack box. honest! Diana —   | /| | |  |  |    For these things give thanks at nightfall:   | X | | | |  |               The day gone, a guttered torch,   |/ | | |   | |           A sword tested, the troth of a maid,   http://gwu.edu/~raven                   Ice crossed, ale drunk.                                                          -Havamal

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I’m actually finding myself shocked and amazed once again that this kind of person actually exists.  I thought you only saw them on MTV, seriously. obviously either a trolling reg or the biggest retard on the planet:

i vote for the latter: (i removed her last name in case she is a minor) Member Name:        Katie Location:Tampa Bay, Florida Sex:Female Marital Status:SINGLE Hobbies:TATS, PIERCING, HANGING OUT WITH FRIENDS, MOVIES, PARTY Computers:THIS ONE LOL Occupation:STUDENT Personal Quote:Girl I know we can win, Don’t wanna lose the emptiness oh no,

      Never Again:  Backstreet Boys those crazy, tat-crazed, boyband listening, partying sXe’ers. :c| ~c~ *** yank ME to reply ***

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PLEASE SEND ME EMAIL CAUSE I DON’T READ THIS CLUB OFTEN! Please, everyone who reads this, fulfill her request and email her. twice. Done and done.  :) WARNING: it writes back So I see: "FUCK U I DONT KNEED YOURE FUCKING PERMISSION I CAN DO WHAT I WANT ASSHOLE" A clearly massive intellect.   And sXe too.   I’m actually finding myself shocked and amazed once again that this kind of person actually exists.  I thought you only saw them on MTV, seriously. obviously either a trolling reg or the biggest retard on the planet: "IF SHE DIDNT WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE HER TAT THEN SHE SHUD NOT BE ON A MAGAZINE!!!!  DO YOU KNOW HER?????  MAYBE SHE HAS A BIGGER PIC OF HER TAT I CAN USE!  WHAT IS HER EMAIL "

Baaaaahahahahahaaaaaa…. I cant imagine any current regular with quite the wit that would take… Either its real, or its someone who is my absolute superior.  If so, bravo! —–. — Theres a hole in the world like a great black pit and its filled with people who are filled with shit and the vermin of the world inhabit it

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im sorry. i refuse to believe shes real.

you got a point up to the binaries, but if it is a know troll just funnen, I’ve been had again. R

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SHUT UP HER TATTOO IS F*CKING GREEN B*TCH!!!  YOU WOULD NOT KNOW A GOOD TAT IF

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COMPUTER BUT I BET IN REAL LIFE U AINT A PLAYER!!!!!!!  DOES NE1 KNOW IF U CAN GET UR CHEEK PIERCED  PLEASE SEND EMAIL CAUSE I AM DONE WITH THIS STUPID CLUB

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: SHUT UP HER TATTOO IS F*CKING GREEN B*TCH!!!  YOU WOULD NOT KNOW A GOOD TAT IF please, PLEASE don’t feed the trolls. 17 and counting.

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I’m actually finding myself shocked and amazed once again that this kind of person actually exists.  I thought you only saw them on MTV, seriously. obviously either a trolling reg or the biggest retard on the planet: i vote for the latter: (i removed her last name in case she is a minor)

I’m positive it’s a troll. She’s just responding to perfectly. Telling the very person whose tattoos they are that she wouldn’t know good tattoos if yadda yadda… It’s clearly a troll, I just don’t know who. Jess — "Imagine meeting your maker and finding out it’s Frito-Lay." – George Carlin LadyJ is available at www.ladyj.net and fine stores everywhere.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m actually finding myself shocked and amazed once again that this kind of person actually exists.  I thought you only saw them on MTV, seriously. obviously either a trolling reg or the biggest retard on the planet: i vote for the latter: (i removed her last name in case she is a minor) I’m positive it’s a troll. She’s just responding to perfectly. Telling the very person whose tattoos they are that she wouldn’t know good tattoos if yadda yadda… It’s clearly a troll, I just don’t know who.

Well if it is, theyre *really* paying attention to detail.  I just talked with that fuckwit for 10 minutes in the "bodyart" chatroom and it seemed like a bonafied floridian retard. —–. — Theres a hole in the world like a great black pit and its filled with people who are filled with shit and the vermin of the world inhabit it

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AK "IF SHE DIDNT WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE HER TAT THEN SHE SHUD NOT BE ON A AK MAGAZINE!!!!  DO YOU KNOW HER?????  MAYBE SHE HAS A BIGGER PIC OF HER AK TAT I CAN USE!  WHAT IS HER EMAIL "         angie, isn’t there some rule about not posting private email to a newsgroup? lish 35.1% / 28

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it writes back AK "IF SHE DIDNT WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE HER TAT THEN SHE SHUD NOT BE ON A AK MAGAZINE!!!!  DO YOU KNOW HER?????  MAYBE SHE HAS A BIGGER PIC OF HER AK TAT I CAN USE!  WHAT IS HER EMAIL "    angie, isn’t there some rule about not posting private email to a newsgroup?

do you see any email headers? I could mention a lack of ethics in repeatedly posting information from irc chat to a newsgroup out of context with the intention of defamation of character… *blink* —Angie a.k.a. dstrss "On second thought, I think I am more crazy than my goat." – Remedios Varo  to reply: email me @home.net

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BEHIND UR COMPUTER BUT I BET IN REAL LIFE U AINT A PLAYER!!!!!!! DOES NE1 KNOW IF U CAN GET UR CHEEK PIERCED PLEASE SEND EMAIL CAUSE I AM DONE WITH THIS STUPID CLUB

its true, its true. in real life i am not a player. and yes, you can get your cheek pierced: http://bombaustin.org/humor/Images/badpiercings.gif http://bombaustin.org/humor/Images/extreme.gif — How can she love me when she doesn’t even love the cinema that I love?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it writes back AK "IF SHE DIDNT WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE HER TAT THEN SHE SHUD NOT BE ON A AK MAGAZINE!!!!  DO YOU KNOW HER?????  MAYBE SHE HAS A BIGGER PIC OF HER AK TAT I CAN USE!  WHAT IS HER EMAIL "       angie, isn’t there some rule about not posting private email to a newsgroup? do you see any email headers? I could mention a lack of ethics in repeatedly posting information from irc chat to a newsgroup out of context with the intention of defamation of character… *blink*

Before you do that, youd better be *damn* good and sure you are absolutely correct with your accusation.  Publically accusing someone of defamation of character is precisely as serious as actually defaming. I hear drlg is the gay version of bekkkkah.  Does that mean he has no problems with using slaughterhouse insulin either? —–. — Theres a hole in the world like a great black pit and its filled with people who are filled with shit and the vermin of the world inhabit it

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American Bulldogs, American Pit Bull Terriers, and American Staffordshire Terriers for Sale. All from Champion and Grand Champion Lines.  Kennel is closing and have all dogs for sale. Prices are neg., trades, and payment plans available. Please check out my website at http://members.aol.com/dbulldogge

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Don’t you all wish there was some sort of E-equivelant to blowing a whistle in a telemarketer’s ear for folks like this? This is the sort of thing that makes me want to learn Spam technology…just to benignly irritate the crappy-breeder-de-jour. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – American Bulldogs, American Pit Bull Terriers, and American Staffordshire Terriers for Sale. All from Champion and Grand Champion Lines.  Kennel is closing and have all dogs for sale. Prices are neg., trades, and payment plans available. Please check out my website at http://members.aol.com/dbulldogge

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Don’t you all wish there was some sort of E-equivelant to blowing a whistle in a telemarketer’s ear for folks like this?

That’s plain cruel and potentially damaging to their hearing.. Do them a favor and just hang up on them. As someone who’s done the job (briefly, oh so briefly!), most places will not let you hang up on a call. The callers are supposed to keep trying as long as you are on the phone. Hanging up on them is is good for you-it gets you off of the phone and for them-they can move on to the next call sooner. This is the sort of thing that makes me want to learn Spam technology…just to benignly irritate the crappy-breeder-de-jour.

Now that sounds like a good idea. (No personal harm involved) Karen

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Hanging up on them is is good for you-it gets you off of the phone and for them-they can move on to the next call sooner.

And the nohangup policy works for the company because most of us are really conditioned NOT to cut off a conversation without the good-by shuffle, and telemarketers don’t follow our lead. Seriously, folks, it is NOT worth getting worked up about (worth complaining about, but not worth getting apoplectic about, stressing yourself out, and abusing the individual on the phone).  Just practice this:  At the first pause for response (earlier if you can manage it, but the pause for response makes this much easier for many of us), say "no, thank you" briskly and cheerfully and hang up IMMEDIATELY.  Get the phone away from your ear and headed towards that hook before your ingrained manners alert you to the fact that the other person is still talking. Now, if they call back within 30 seconds, THEN they get the dog-whistle or the long haul.  ;-) (The long haul — if you have the time, the creativity and the patience, listen carefully to the whole entire spiel.  Then ask questions, excitely as if you are considering buying it.  "This hotel in Branson… how it it laid out, exactly?  My husband just cannot get to sleep unless the head of the bed is under a west-facing window."  Think fast.  Log times.  Compare your "score" with your friends — the longer you can keep the telemarketer on the line without buying anything yourself, the better the score…) Elizabeth

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hanging up on them is is good for you-it gets you off of the phone and for them-they can move on to the next call sooner. And the nohangup policy works for the company because most of us are really conditioned NOT to cut off a conversation without the good-by shuffle, and telemarketers don’t follow our lead. Seriously, folks, it is NOT worth getting worked up about (worth complaining about, but not worth getting apoplectic about, stressing yourself out, and abusing the individual on the phone).  Just practice this:  At the first pause for response (earlier if you can manage it, but the pause for response makes this much easier for many of us), say "no, thank you" briskly and cheerfully and hang up IMMEDIATELY.  Get the phone away from your ear and headed towards that hook before your ingrained manners alert you to the fact that the other person is still talking. Now, if they call back within 30 seconds, THEN they get the dog-whistle or the long haul.  ;-)

<snip actually, you need to use the mantra:  "no thank you take me off your call list" This means that by law, they are not allowed to call you again (for 6 months, I think) If you’re really compulsive, keep a list of who calls and if they violate the law by callin again, you can collect $$$. Emily (not ~Emily)

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Seriously, folks, it is NOT worth getting worked up about (worth complaining about, but not worth getting apoplectic about, stressing yourself out, and abusing the individual on the phone).  Just practice this:  At the first pause for response (earlier if you can manage it, but the pause for response makes this much easier for many of us), say "no, thank you" briskly and cheerfully and hang up IMMEDIATELY.  Get the phone away from your ear and headed towards that hook before your ingrained manners alert you to the fact that the other person is still talking.

OK, but I still prefer having fun w/telemarketers. One called me to offer me a wonderful free vacation and chance at a new car. I mournfully told her thank you, but the vacation was of no use to me, as I was under house arrest. The ankle bracelet would go off if I left for Vegas, and my parole officer was a meanie who wouldn’t give me a break. Oh, and the car offer? No drivers license, I told her, it was taken away… she was VERY sympathetic – telling me to hang in there, maybe I’d get a nicer PO… I have a strong feeling she related very well to my story (considering how many telemarketing setups are in prison nowadays…) Then there’s the time I pretended I had just killed the person the caller asked for (me) and just kept babbling about "the blood… the blood…" Hehehehehe… Christy

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Honest try selling them a puppy or rescue dog – OR outlining your medical problems after saying how glad you are they called…. Really though – ask for the supervisor and ask to be taken off of their phone list unless you want repeat daily calls as your number gets passed down the line. Nancy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hanging up on them is is good for you-it gets you off of the phone and for them-they can move on to the next call sooner. And the nohangup policy works for the company because most of us are really conditioned NOT to cut off a conversation without the good-by shuffle, and telemarketers don’t follow our lead. Seriously, folks, it is NOT worth getting worked up about (worth complaining about, but not worth getting apoplectic about, stressing yourself out, and abusing the individual on the phone).  Just practice this:  At the first pause for response (earlier if you can manage it, but the pause for response makes this much easier for many of us), say "no, thank you" briskly and cheerfully and hang up IMMEDIATELY.  Get the phone away from your ear and headed towards that hook before your ingrained manners alert you to the fact that the other person is still talking. Now, if they call back within 30 seconds, THEN they get the dog-whistle or the long haul.  ;-) (The long haul — if you have the time, the creativity and the patience, listen carefully to the whole entire spiel.  Then ask questions, excitely as if you are considering buying it.  "This hotel in Branson… how it it laid out, exactly?  My husband just cannot get to sleep unless the head of the bed is under a west-facing window."  Think fast.  Log times.  Compare your "score" with your friends — the longer you can keep the telemarketer on the line without buying anything yourself, the better the score…) Elizabeth

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Oh, this is beautiful… I once got a telemarketing call from a local door/window/siding company and their number came up on caller ID, I called them back and when the girl answered i offered her some "quality tattoo flash art at rock bottom prices if she would just act now." She said, confused, "Why would I want that???" I said, "I DUNNO! WHY WOULD I WANT NEW SIDING ON A 20 YEAR OLD TRAILER???? If I WANT new siding, I will call YOU!!!!" She hung up on ME. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, but I still prefer having fun w/telemarketers. One called me to offer me a wonderful free vacation and chance at a new car. I mournfully told her thank you, but the vacation was of no use to me, as I was under house arrest. The ankle bracelet would go off if I left for Vegas, and my parole officer was a meanie who wouldn’t give me a break. Oh, and the car offer? No drivers license, I told her, it was taken away… she was VERY sympathetic – telling me to hang in there, maybe I’d get a nicer PO… I have a strong feeling she related very well to my story (considering how many telemarketing setups are in prison nowadays…) Then there’s the time I pretended I had just killed the person the caller asked for (me) and just kept babbling about "the blood… the blood…" Hehehehehe… Christy

– Pony www.angelfire.com/mi2/ponystuff *Queen Of Broccoli* Now check out Pony’s all new tattoo and other art page!

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Oh, this is beautiful… I once got a telemarketing call from a local door/window/siding company and their number came up on caller ID,

Okay.  You’ve convinced me.  I **do** want caller ID, I do I do!  ;- Elizabeth

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If you just hang up you go back in redial.  Ask them to take your name off their list, this is the law, if they call you again, speak to their manager and again request it.  If they call you again report it to the Attorney General in your state. ( I was once a Telemarketer Manager)Don’t hold it against me please, it was a job, I had 4 kids to raise at the time. Do this and they have to leave you alone.

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Oh, this is beautiful… I once got a telemarketing call from a local door/window/siding company and their number came up on caller ID, Okay.  You’ve convinced me.  I **do** want caller ID, I do I do!  ;-

For 99% of telemarketers you won’t get a useful number.  Caller ID’s most useful function is for the benefit of businesses – nevermind how it is marketed.  Don’t get me started – that’s a whole ‘nother newsgroup. Diane Blackman http://www.dog-play.com/  http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html Falling short of a goal of "excellent" leaves room for "very good." Falling short of a goal of "good enough" leaves only "not good enough."

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If you just hang up you go back in redial.  Ask them to take your name off

If you say "no thank you" and hang up, at least in my area, it’s not a problem.  I have almost never had a call back from the same company in a reasonable time (couple of months) after a "nothankyou" hangup.  The ones that did call back, just a couple, were the same salescritter from the same company calling right back.  I have seen this tactic work — when *I* was doing similar calling, one colleague got lots of commisions this way — and while I suppose I could ask to have my name taken off, it’s not the COMPANY’s behavior I want to change. Besides, once they’re fair game, you can have a lot of fun with a telemarketer.  I do usually wait until they are in some way rude or pushy…

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This is most true… the only reason i got a number on this one was because it was a local business who hadn’t been doing direct calls long enough to learn the tricks. it does come in handy for me because of the need to screen calls, and it helps to AVOID telemarketers because everyone I know has been warned if they want to talk to me then start talking when the machine picks up. For 99% of telemarketers you won’t get a useful number.  Caller ID’s most useful function is for the benefit of businesses – nevermind how it is marketed.  Don’t get me started – that’s a whole ‘nother newsgroup. Diane Blackman http://www.dog-play.com/  http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html Falling short of a goal of "excellent" leaves room for "very good." Falling short of a goal of "good enough" leaves only "not good enough."

– Pony www.angelfire.com/mi2/ponystuff *Queen Of Broccoli* Now check out Pony’s all new tattoo and other art page!

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If you just hang up you go back in redial.  Ask them to take your name off their list, this is the law, if they call you again, speak to their manager and again request it.  If they call you again report it to the Attorney General in your state. ( I was once a Telemarketer Manager)Don’t hold it against me please, it was a job, I had 4 kids to raise at the time. Do this and they have to leave you alone.

It depends on the company. The people on the other end do fill out a result of call code on the screen that comes up. I just say "Not interested" and hang up. I rarely get repeat calls from a company. Karen

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It depends on the company. The people on the other end do fill out a result of call code on the screen that comes up. I just say "Not interested" and hang up. I rarely get repeat calls from a company.

I do that and get very few calls.  Once I hear they are telemarketers I say "Sorry not interested" and hang up.  Now if it were only this easy with spam. Karen

– SIG file courtesy of Stephen Mulholland "Stephen!  Come in, sit down, and pull a leg off that pig".

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Does anyone have any pics of a winged sword? A friend of mine wants one to cover his chest with the wings going out to his shoulders, and joining the sword at his sternum, with the blade running to his navel. i have seen such a sword somewhere, but have no idea where. PLEASE contact me if you have any idea where to get a flash of this, or if you have a pic. thank you! SKINpig

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Does anyone have any pics of a winged sword? A friend of mine wants one to cover his chest with the wings going out to his shoulders, and joining the sword at his sternum, with the blade running to his navel. i have seen such a sword somewhere, but have no idea where. PLEASE contact me if you have any idea where to get a flash of this, or if you have a pic.

Which begs the question…. Whats in it for me? —–.

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<snippity snip : PLEASE contact me if you have any idea where to get a :  flash of this, or if you have a pic. I just hate those urgent, matter of life or death tattoo flash emergencies. — skyelass "Go tell your parents you wish to be aborted.  Now." — Kavin Taylor, rab 03/00

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I just hate those urgent, matter of life or death tattoo flash emergencies. —

Especially when you assume that the asker is a tattooist. Hmmm? "artist" looking for flash urgently??? HMMMM?? Cant draw???  Now I understand why he signs on as tatpig

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Sarah — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This makes me think.  I have often thought "Why can’t I stop wanting." I’ve cried at my husband lots, when we finish dinner, I want something sweet– pie, hot fudge sundae, whatever.  We don’t keep anything in the house like that or that could lead to it (flour, sugar, baking soda, etc.– if I want it, I don’t care if I have to bake it from scratch).  And neither of us is going to go out, in this neighborhood, late at night, just to buy sweets.  But what upsets me is the WANTing.  I do not want to want it.  I am frustrated an ashamed that I do. I’m trying to understand what your behaviorist friend is talking about.

This person wasn’t necessarily addressing issues related to overweight–mainly the topic of how some of our choices limit other choices we may make. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -… My decision to buy food leads contributes to my overweight lifestyle?  I have to buy food.  I need to eat, my husband needs to eat, even my cats need to eat (and don’t they let me know it).  But what I’m saying is that I don’t keep things in the house that are terrible awful foods.  But even if I decided that I didn’t need any food (and I have come close), wouldn’t that be contributing to bad eating habits for my husband?  He’ll just revert back to bachelor life, with fast food for lunch everyday and dinner is a hungry man dinner or pizza with a six pack.  For instance, last night with each had a chicken breast, sauteed (2 drops of olive oil) onions and mushrooms (1/4 cup of onion slices and 3 white button mushrooms between us) with a couple drops of honey  and cayenne pepper as a sauce, a small potato each, mashed with three cloves of garlic, and 1/2 cup of broccoli with a couple splashes of lemon juice.  That has GOT to be more healthy than a hungry man dinner. And really, we, all of us, everybody can’t live without food.  Nobody can live without food.  You must eat in order to survive.  Now, if someone lives to eat, that’s a whole different story. I guess really, what I want, is for you to clarify.  I just don’t get it. Sarah

You bring up a lot of issues. Let me address several of them. Dean Edell, M.D., said he’s not a believer in the view that three meals a day leads to Nirvana. In other words, people should not think that three meals a day is necessarily the best way for them to eat. And yet I would be willing to bet that most of the very overweight people in the article cited by Melissa would state that we should eat three square meals a day, etc. In the veiws of psychologist Tom Gilbert, people who advocate any program of eating without looking at the impact of the behavior on overall health are erroneoulsy confusing behavior (a mean to an end) with accomplishments (health, lower death rates, etc.). (As far as I know, Gilbert never wrote about such matters, and so I am extrapolating from his writings.) The goal of a health diet is NOT to eat three balanced meals a day, but the goal is to be healthy. And if one can be healthier eating one meal the first day, two the second, three the third, etc., then that’s a great program for that individual. What is important to do as well is to study healthy people and compare them to non-healthy people, and see what the differences are between them. But we should only do this once we have clearly identified the healthy people (or perhaps people who have lost a lot of weight and who have kept it off, etc.). But simply observing how one eats in a restaurant, or what one says on the subject, etc., certainly does not mean that the person is an exemplar of healthy life styles. (Perhaps the person is using speed on the side, or has had gastric bypass surgery, or perhaps is involved in support groups all day long, etc. — these being somewhat unrealistic for the average person to engage in.) Gilbert has a superb method of spotting the exemplary performance, this with his measure of PIP, "Potential for Improving Performance," in which the exemplary performance (e.g., pounds lost in a month) is compared with the average performance. For example, let’s say that an exemplary dieter using average healthy methods is able to lose 15 pounds a month, and the average dieter loses only 1 pound a month. The PIP then would be 15 divided by 1  – in other words, "15." Gilbert said that in many, many instances we can get the PIP down to 2 or less. Note that performance can be measured in a variety of ways — I used as an example pounds lost in a month, but perhaps it would be better to use % of body weight lost, etc., or perhaps weight lost in the second month of dieting, etc. Anyway, until one has isolated the desired accomplishment (in this case, pounds lost), it doesn’t make sense to focus on behavior (e.g., methods of eating, etc.). In the case of the people in DC, I would really like to see some successful people there and find out what made them successful. And hopefully, their methods could be used to help others achieve the same ends. (And for the others, 8 hours of exercise a day, etc., is unrealistic. I’d like some realism in the goals.) Another point I’d like to make is that of "petting the dragon" — that is, thinking about food and being in the area of high-calorie foods. Seems to me you and your husband are doing great! But it’s very, very difficult not to want certain things. When we see the life styles of the rich and famous on tv, we probably envy their lifestyles. We see great cars, fancy yachts, etc., and want them as well. Food is particularly difficult to avoid, I’ll grant you. On the other hand, we put such an emphasis on the taste of it, etc., and then wonder why we can’t get it out of our mind. "How you gonna keep ‘em, down on the farm, after they’ve seen Paree?" goes the song, and that applies to food in a big way too. That’s one reason I am definitely not interested in trying a lot of high-calorie foods which I might be interested in. "A luxurey once sampled becomes a necessity," it’s said, and I kind of agree with that general view. Hard to control thoughts — perhaps it’s somewhat easier to consequate them with cold water (which one keeps in a jug with one so one doesn’t have to go into the kitchen). Anyway, I’ll work more on the notion of consequating thoughts of eating. I just had an idea I’m going to put into action now. Yours, Caleb

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Zero was asking a while ago if poverty correlated with diabetes. Looks like she was right. http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/cover/cover.html This is a very sad and rather frightening article about the appalling number of children and adolescents who are dying of obesity-related conditions.  The article blames the conditions in which they live — poverty, depression, and easily available fast food.  According to it, some D.C. neighborhoods don’t even have supermarkets at all. This ties into the "food freedom" thread, I think. Interestingly, though, one doctor also thinks it may result from an overly enthusiatic rejection of the "thin is beautiful" cultural belief, so that some people honestly believe they look good at 400+ pounds. It’s scary stuff.  The kids are mostly very depressed, and rightly so.  Yet others don’t even seem to understand the seriousness of health problems such as diabetes. I don’t know what the final answer is.  It’s certainly sad to think of so many kids killing themselves so young.  Yet nobody can *force* them to lose weight. According to this article, the diabetes control program of the D.C. Department of Health has completely collapsed. — Melissa 140/110/110 Goal! Before you buy.

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Sarah My husband sometimes, when I talk to him about it, gets his feelings really hurt that I don’t want to tattoo his name on my body.  I like the thought… just not sure I want words.

one of my teacher buddies wanted her 3 kids’ names incorporated into a flowing design for a tattoo.I drew it up for her and she had that work done on the lower area of her back…looks very elegant.  ( : Personally,I assign the art work I have done on me in honor of milestone events and people. 0011s

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hold up….I think it is both an action and a behavior. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sarah Totally OT: Is tattooing a behavior or an action?  Not counting that snake man or the Guinness Book tattoo guy. it is an action. (just back from the inkslinger, myself) 0011s

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Melissa — I was pretty sure that was the case. In this country, overweight is associated with lower education, lower SES, etc. People with more awareness of the downside of overeating tend to moderate their food excesses. (Also true for seatbelt wearing patterns, dental health, etc.) Scary, scary and terribly unfortunate. Yours, Caleb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zero was asking a while ago if poverty correlated with diabetes. Looks like she was right. http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/cover/cover.html This is a very sad and rather frightening article about the appalling number of children and adolescents who are dying of obesity-related conditions.  The article blames the conditions in which they live — poverty, depression, and easily available fast food.  According to it, some D.C. neighborhoods don’t even have supermarkets at all. This ties into the "food freedom" thread, I think. Interestingly, though, one doctor also thinks it may result from an overly enthusiatic rejection of the "thin is beautiful" cultural belief, so that some people honestly believe they look good at 400+ pounds. It’s scary stuff.  The kids are mostly very depressed, and rightly so.  Yet others don’t even seem to understand the seriousness of health problems such as diabetes. I don’t know what the final answer is.  It’s certainly sad to think of so many kids killing themselves so young.  Yet nobody can *force* them to lose weight. According to this article, the diabetes control program of the D.C. Department of Health has completely collapsed. — Melissa 140/110/110 Goal! Before you buy.

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Caleb Food is particularly difficult to avoid, I’ll grant you. On the other hand, we put such an emphasis on the taste of it, etc., and then wonder why we can’t get it out of our mind. "How you gonna keep ‘em,

This got me thinking of eating patterns learned as one grows up. My father was diabetic and all through childhood,teens my mother and I cooked and ate according to the exchange diet at the time(portions,fresh varieties of vegs/fruits etc) Once out the nest,my first marriage was to a southern man born and bred…this meant meat at every meal,lots of fried greasy, food,vegs boiled in fat, ad nauseum."Good "hearty, traditional stuff.Eating like this with abandon ,I gained weight big time and of course,had no exercise that would even begin to keep up with  such mighty eating. Traditional foods  and recipes can be analyzed and made over to be less fattening but the mindset is there to use "Granny’s old time’ recipe just as she made it using tons of eggs,lard,etc. This is also carried over into what is served  in school cafeterias( which is a whole other rant by itself ! ) 0011s

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And also the church groups should probably emphasize vegetarian fare, and if I were an overweight minister there, I’d make a big production about losing weight, and exercising, and telling others, "It ain’t easy, but this is the way to do it!" I was talking to a good behaviorist yesterday, and he was commenting on our decisions sometimes which leads to rather unchangeable behaviors (we were talking about tatooing). Our decision to buy food, to tell ourselves we CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT FOOD, etc., helps lead to overweight and this brings about further reduction of exercise, and more time spent at home within earshot of the singing refrigerators, etc. Once we discover how easy it is to order huge sizes of everything, it’s all too tempting to do so. Much like the last client I had today. Very pleasant, sweet, attractive 30 year old girl with a heroin habit. While she is doing somewhat better with Naltraxone (to block the craving of heroin), she asked very plaintively, "Why can’t I just not want more heroin?" I don’t like thinking of overeating as an "addiction" in the real sense of that term, but I do think that overeating is like an addiciton in some ways. Great article you posted! I mentioned it today to the psychologist who walked up the hill with me tonight. Scary. Perhaps the worst thing is to have our desires fulfilled, especially when they are trivial desires. Yours, Caleb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Melissa — I was pretty sure that was the case. In this country, overweight is associated with lower education, lower SES, etc. True enough; we’ve all seen that.  Still, I had no idea that there were now enough 400-pound adolescents for it to constitute a crisis. If I were rich, I’d help all those people out.  I’d buy them all crockpots so they wouldn’t have to spend time cooking after all the time they spend working, and I’d get a grocery store which delivers to serve the areas which don’t have supermarkets.  And I’d organize weekend hikes out in the countryside of Virginia or Maryland, with busses to take people out there.  And as long as I’m dreaming, I’d buy every little girl a pony.  :- I would only do this for people who really wanted to lose weight and are being hampered by their circumstances, though.  I wouldn’t throw money away on those who don’t want to lose the weight and aren’t even making some attempts already, however sporadic. Although I’m a hardnosed libertarian by philosophy, I’m also a big softie at heart.  I hate watching people suffer in circumstances they honestly can’t help.  And if you live in the inner city and don’t have a supermarket you can reach, what are you going to do to eat? People with more awareness of the downside of overeating tend to moderate their food excesses. (Also true for seatbelt wearing patterns, dental health, etc.) Scary, scary and terribly unfortunate. Yup. One of the stories which really struck me, though, was Shala and her mother.  The mother seems to think it’s her reponsibility to "make" Shala eat properly, even though Shala is an adult.  The article mentioned how bummed she was that she went to work early and couldn’t make Shala eat a healthful breakfast, and she also blamed Shala’s former high school for making junk food available. There comes a point, methinks, at which one has to say "This offspring of mine is an adult and is responsible for herself." And then there’s Dot’s mother, who tries to help her daughter by making baked chicken for her when everyone else gets fried — but rarely has the energy to cook two separate meals. Yet Dot’s mother herself is so overweight that "she must use a machine to help her breathe while she sleeps,"  and the rest of the family is severely overweight as well.  Why is fried chicken being made for anyone?  Dot’s mother would clearly like to help, but seems to have no idea how to proceed. This article really got to me.  I was even thinking about it last evening, wondering what all the kids were doing and if any of them had taken any steps to try to help themselves that day. — Melissa 140/110/110 Goal! Before you buy.

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Yes, Zero, and in Melissa’s article, it was sad how limited the choices were for good food in the community, and also sad about how much poor food is available in cafeterias. (There was an article in the paper last week saying that girls who drank a lot of soda were three times as likely to suffer broken bones — I didn’t read the article enough to know what they were referring to, though.) Some of the eating problems reminds me of a riddle I heard many years ago: "How many apples can fit on a greenhouse roof?" Answer: "Five, because ice cream doesn’t have bones." In other words, a nonsense non-sequitor, and a lot of the "wisdom" around food is equally nonsensical but also may be quite unhealthy. Yours, Caleb

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Caleb Food is particularly difficult to avoid, I’ll grant you. On the other hand, we put such an emphasis on the taste of it, etc., and then wonder why we can’t get it out of our mind. "How you gonna keep ‘em, This got me thinking of eating patterns learned as one grows up. My father was diabetic and all through childhood,teens my mother and I cooked and ate according to the exchange diet at the time(portions,fresh varieties of vegs/fruits etc) Once out the nest,my first marriage was to a southern man born and bred…this meant meat at every meal,lots of fried greasy, food,vegs boiled in fat, ad nauseum."Good "hearty, traditional stuff.Eating like this with abandon ,I gained weight big time and of course,had no exercise that would even begin to keep up with  such mighty eating. Traditional foods  and recipes can be analyzed and made over to be less fattening but the mindset is there to use "Granny’s old time’ recipe just as she made it using tons of eggs,lard,etc. This is also carried over into what is served  in school cafeterias( which is a whole other rant by itself ! ) 0011s

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Caleb Yes, Zero, and in Melissa’s article, it was sad how limited the choices were for good food in the community, and also sad about how much poor food is available in cafeterias

Well,in many communities all over the country ,there are plenty of good food choices in the way of truck farms,farmer’s markets,supermarkets….it’s after the consumer gets those foodstuffs home and start adding all kinds of goop to them.The same with school cafeterias……the good food that is shipped in is beautiful,  along with the government subsidy stuff….lots of breaded easy to cook junk,way too much starch. years back I read an article about  a school district that hired a chef to come in and show the school cafeteria cooks how to prep and make really nice meals with what they received.The kids got excellent  menus of food that still had their quality to them and not buried under cheese or gravy. 0011s

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Sarah  I have one tattoo.  I want more.

once you start you gotta have more! ( : I love those sacred hearts (la luz de Jesus) I bet yours is beautiful.. it sure sounds like it (I like the various ones I see in the magazines…have you ever read the art magazine Juxtapoz? They get into the kitsch and tattoo flash art areas as well as surrealism ) I have 2 armbands (I like symmetry ) one is a viking design from a stone cross ca.960 from the Isle of Man and the one I just had done is a tesselation by MC Escher,small lizards that fit together on all 4 sides and is the same shape exactly.I’m debating coloring the shapes on my next trip out,I like the blackwork by itself. 0011s

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Sarah Totally OT: Is tattooing a behavior or an action?  Not counting that snake man or the Guinness Book tattoo guy.

it is an action. (just back from the inkslinger, myself) 0011s

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Melissa — I was pretty sure that was the case. In this country, overweight is associated with lower education, lower SES, etc.

True enough; we’ve all seen that.  Still, I had no idea that there were now enough 400-pound adolescents for it to constitute a crisis. If I were rich, I’d help all those people out.  I’d buy them all crockpots so they wouldn’t have to spend time cooking after all the time they spend working, and I’d get a grocery store which delivers to serve the areas which don’t have supermarkets.  And I’d organize weekend hikes out in the countryside of Virginia or Maryland, with busses to take people out there.  And as long as I’m dreaming, I’d buy every little girl a pony.  :- I would only do this for people who really wanted to lose weight and are being hampered by their circumstances, though.  I wouldn’t throw money away on those who don’t want to lose the weight and aren’t even making some attempts already, however sporadic. Although I’m a hardnosed libertarian by philosophy, I’m also a big softie at heart.  I hate watching people suffer in circumstances they honestly can’t help.  And if you live in the inner city and don’t have a supermarket you can reach, what are you going to do to eat? People with more awareness of the downside of overeating tend to moderate their food excesses. (Also true for seatbelt wearing patterns, dental health, etc.) Scary, scary and terribly unfortunate.

Yup. One of the stories which really struck me, though, was Shala and her mother.  The mother seems to think it’s her reponsibility to "make" Shala eat properly, even though Shala is an adult.  The article mentioned how bummed she was that she went to work early and couldn’t make Shala eat a healthful breakfast, and she also blamed Shala’s former high school for making junk food available. There comes a point, methinks, at which one has to say "This offspring of mine is an adult and is responsible for herself." And then there’s Dot’s mother, who tries to help her daughter by making baked chicken for her when everyone else gets fried — but rarely has the energy to cook two separate meals. Yet Dot’s mother herself is so overweight that "she must use a machine to help her breathe while she sleeps,"  and the rest of the family is severely overweight as well.  Why is fried chicken being made for anyone?  Dot’s mother would clearly like to help, but seems to have no idea how to proceed. This article really got to me.  I was even thinking about it last evening, wondering what all the kids were doing and if any of them had taken any steps to try to help themselves that day. — Melissa 140/110/110 Goal! Before you buy.

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Sarah  I have one tattoo.  I want more. once you start you gotta have more!

They said it would happen and I didn’t believe them and then it did. ( : I love those sacred hearts (la luz de Jesus) I bet yours is beautiful.. it sure sounds like it (I like the various ones I see in the magazines…have you ever read the art magazine Juxtapoz? They get into the kitsch and tattoo flash art areas as well as surrealism )

No, but it sounds cool.  Is it online? I have 2 armbands (I like symmetry ) one is a viking design from a stone cross ca.960 from the Isle of Man and the one I just had done is a tesselation by MC Escher,small lizards that fit together on all 4 sides and is the same shape exactly.I’m debating coloring the shapes on my next trip out,I like the blackwork by itself.

That escher sounds awesome!  I really like color, but I really think that good blackwork is beautiful just by itself.  I had a friend back at MC who had a total blackwork woman from the middle of her back down to her tailbone– head up, arms up, really conceptual and beautiful.  She’s thinking about giving her wings. I think sometimes about what I’d get and where, but I can’t figure out what it would be.  I’d like to get an American flag, but I don’t know where I’d put it.  My husband sometimes, when I talk to him about it, gets his feelings really hurt that I don’t want to tattoo his name on my body.  I like the thought… just not sure I want words. Sarah

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hold up….I think it is both an action and a behavior.

That’s what I was thinking.  One or two is an action or actions.  More than that, though, and I think it becomes a behavior.  I have one tattoo.  I want more. What’d you get?  What’ve you got?  I have a beautiful orange-red sacred heart with pink roses, blue flames, and orange rays in the center of my back.  Another tattoo will be my reward for loosing 100 lbs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sarah Totally OT: Is tattooing a behavior or an action?  Not counting that snake man or the Guinness Book tattoo guy. it is an action. (just back from the inkslinger, myself) 0011s

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I was talking to a good behaviorist yesterday, and he was commenting on our decisions sometimes which leads to rather unchangeable behaviors (we were talking about tatooing). Our decision to buy food, to tell ourselves we CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT FOOD, etc., helps lead to overweight and this brings about further reduction of exercise, and more time spent at home within earshot of the singing refrigerators, etc. Once we discover how easy it is to order huge sizes of everything, it’s all too tempting to do so.

Totally OT: Is tattooing a behavior or an action?  Not counting that snake man or the Guinness Book tattoo guy. Much like the last client I had today. Very pleasant, sweet, attractive 30 year old girl with a heroin habit. While she is doing somewhat better with Naltraxone (to block the craving of heroin), she asked very plaintively, "Why can’t I just not want more heroin?"

This makes me think.  I have often thought "Why can’t I stop wanting."  I’ve cried at my husband lots, when we finish dinner, I want something sweet– pie, hot fudge sundae, whatever.  We don’t keep anything in the house like that or that could lead to it (flour, sugar, baking soda, etc.– if I want it, I don’t care if I have to bake it from scratch).  And neither of us is going to go out, in this neighborhood, late at night, just to buy sweets.  But what upsets me is the WANTing.  I do not want to want it.  I am frustrated an ashamed that I do. I’m trying to understand what your behaviorist friend is talking about.  My decision to buy food leads contributes to my overweight lifestyle?  I have to buy food.  I need to eat, my husband needs to eat, even my cats need to eat (and don’t they let me know it).  But what I’m saying is that I don’t keep things in the house that are terrible awful foods.  But even if I decided that I didn’t need any food (and I have come close), wouldn’t that be contributing to bad eating habits for my husband?  He’ll just revert back to bachelor life, with fast food for lunch everyday and dinner is a hungry man dinner or pizza with a six pack.  For instance, last night with each had a chicken breast, sauteed (2 drops of olive oil) onions and mushrooms (1/4 cup of onion slices and 3 white button mushrooms between us) with a couple drops of honey  and cayenne pepper as a sauce, a small potato each, mashed with three cloves of garlic, and 1/2 cup of broccoli with a couple splashes of lemon juice.  That has GOT to be more healthy than a hungry man dinner. And really, we, all of us, everybody can’t live without food.  Nobody can live without food.  You must eat in order to survive.  Now, if someone lives to eat, that’s a whole different story. I guess really, what I want, is for you to clarify.  I just don’t get it. Sarah

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I have been looking for pictures/ideas on a Satyr tattoo for about four years now, but I can’t find the right tattoo.  I have had artist friends attempt drafts and seen the flash at all the local parlors.  Anyone out there with sites/pics/ etc. for satyrs/Pan? Mcsesq

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Hi: Be carefull what you are asking for and where. Rather try newsgroups that deal with mythology such as alt.traditional.witchcraft; alt.witchcraft; alt.religion.wicca and alt.religion.wicca.moderated and you can post also in alt.pagan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been looking for pictures/ideas on a Satyr tattoo for about four years now, but I can’t find the right tattoo.  I have had artist friends attempt drafts and seen the flash at all the local parlors.  Anyone out there with sites/pics/ etc. for satyrs/Pan? Mcsesq

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Hi: Be carefull what you are asking for and where. Rather try newsgroups that deal with mythology such as alt.traditional.witchcraft; alt.witchcraft; alt.religion.wicca and alt.religion.wicca.moderated and you can post also in alt.pagan

Chaoswolf you’re learning!!! Way to go! Anyone out there with sites/pics/ etc. for satyrs/Pan? Mcsesq

Brian Froud does a nice Pan ( Puck ) it might be a little too "cute" for you though (?) it’s in the Faeries book ( try a library, I think it’s out of print ) Molly Before you buy.

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The following is a link to classical paintings. Some of them showing Satyrs and Nymphs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been looking for pictures/ideas on a Satyr tattoo for about four years now, but I can’t find the right tattoo.  I have had artist friends attempt drafts

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Sorry, forgot the link: http://www.ocaiw.com/bougue1.htm I hope I didn’t violate a rule by posting a link in here… C’mon guys, just kidding… The following is a link to classical paintings. Some of them showing Satyrs and Nymphs. I have been looking for pictures/ideas on a Satyr tattoo for about four years now, but I can’t find the right tattoo.  I have had artist friends attempt drafts

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Thanks, but that’s me and that’s what I’ve been expecting. But enough of that. Take care Molly. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi: Be carefull what you are asking for and where. Rather try newsgroups that deal with mythology such as alt.traditional.witchcraft; alt.witchcraft; alt.religion.wicca and alt.religion.wicca.moderated and you can post also in alt.pagan Chaoswolf you’re learning!!! Way to go! Anyone out there with sites/pics/ etc. for satyrs/Pan? Mcsesq Brian Froud does a nice Pan ( Puck ) it might be a little too "cute" for you though (?) it’s in the Faeries book ( try a library, I think it’s out of print ) Molly Before you buy.

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This is an old painting about a Satyr and Nymphs. That could give your artist some inspiration. http://sunsite.auc.dk/cgfa/bouguereau/p-bouguereau25.htm

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I hope I didn’t violate a rule by posting a link in here… C’mon guys, just kidding…

You need to be silent for a while now.  Don’t answer questions, don’t post just to see your name in print, just lurk. Then re-emerge quietly some time in the future.   Thank you very much, drive through…. ***skyelass***   "Go tell your parents you wish to be aborted.  Now."    –Kavin Taylor, rab 03/09/00 <to reply, remove "atose" from my address

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You know what, I am not even getting into this very deep right now. I don’t need to listen to you or do what you are telling me. Someone asks a question, I have a valid suggestion, I answer. That’s what should be done. Whatever beef you have with me, just let it go, because this is my last response from me to you, unless you have something nice, or constructive to say. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope I didn’t violate a rule by posting a link in here… C’mon guys, just kidding… You need to be silent for a while now.  Don’t answer questions, don’t post just to see your name in print, just lurk. Then re-emerge quietly some time in the future. Thank you very much, drive through…. ***skyelass***

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I hope I didn’t violate a rule by posting a link in here… C’mon guys, just kidding… You need to be silent for a while now.  Don’t answer questions, don’t post just to see your name in print, just lurk. Then re-emerge quietly some time in the future.

Oh, I don’t need newsgroups to see my name in print, my ‘real’-name is in various Who’s Who directories and business related magazine articles. I have enough gratification in real-life. AND THIS IS NOT TO START SOMETHING ELSE WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW GOING TO FLAME ME FOR BEING SO "FULL-OFF-MYSELF". Ergo, answering questions is not what I need to see my screen-name in print.

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You know what, I am not even getting into this very deep right now.

Correction….you are already "into this" very deep on RAB.  As long as the offensive acts from earlier this week are stilll so fresh in everyone’s minds, even your "valid suggestions" are likely to be met some level of hostility.   Considering your "joke" on Molly, I’m surprised people haven’t been even more hostile to you.  For that act alone, you deserve whatever you’ve gotten.   Whatever beef you have with me, just let it go, because this is my last response from me to you, unless you have something nice, or constructive to say.

My previous post offered you a constructive piece of advice.  That advice still stands — lurk for a while before posting to the group again.  If you have a suggestion you really want to share with someone, you can always click on the e-mail link instead.   I don’t need to listen to you or do what you are telling me.

Funny — my niece used to give me that same argument when I baby-sat for her….  Of course, she was only 4 at the time.   ***skyelass***   "Go tell your parents you wish to be aborted.  Now."    –Kavin Taylor, rab 03/09/00 <to reply, remove "atose" from my address

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Oh, I don’t need newsgroups to see my name in print, my ‘real’-name is in various Who’s Who directories and business related magazine articles. I have enough gratification in real-life. AND THIS IS NOT TO START SOMETHING ELSE WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW GOING TO FLAME ME FOR BEING SO "FULL-OFF-MYSELF".

And you said you were never going to reply to me again….  I’m touched!  I bet this one was the VERY LAST one, though, and you really mean it this time. ***skyelass***   "Go tell your parents you wish to be aborted.  Now."    –Kavin Taylor, rab 03/09/00 <to reply, remove "atose" from my address

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No, this is the last: Look at the time of the post, this was the previous to this final last. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And you said you were never going to reply to me again….  I’m touched!  I bet this one was the VERY LAST one, though, and you really mean it this time. ***skyelass***   "Go tell your parents you wish to be aborted.  Now."    –Kavin Taylor, rab 03/09/00 <to reply, remove "atose" from my address

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No, this is the last: Look at the time of the post, this was the previous to

this final last. But, since you felt compelled to respond again, neither of the previous posts was the last.  You amuse me, Chaoswolf…. ***skyelass***   "Go tell your parents you wish to be aborted.  Now."    –Kavin Taylor, rab 03/09/00 <to reply, remove "atose" from my address

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to painstakingly type: : Oh, I don’t need newsgroups to see my name in print, my ‘real’-name is in various : Who’s Who directories and business related magazine articles. I have enough : gratification in real-life. AND THIS IS NOT TO START SOMETHING ELSE WITH PEOPLE WHO : ARE NOW GOING TO FLAME ME FOR BEING SO "FULL-OFF-MYSELF". : : Ergo, answering questions is not what I need to see my screen-name in print. listen, you rejected old rotting grotesque floral-print shitstained cumrag, THIS CRAP IS THE BEST EXAMPLE OF POSTING TO SEE YOUR NAME IN PRINT I’VE EVER SEEN.  go the fuck away and don’t even consider coming back until you can act older than the dormful of drunken sorority girls i had to r.a. for last year. cassie — "But the incident only increased my whacking energy, and I whacked until I could whack no more." -saram, rec.arts.bodyart 3/22/00 beware potted meat products invading your reply.

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Hi: Be carefull what you are asking for and where.

He was asking for a satyr, not a martyr. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur http://www.critterwoman.de 2. RfD fuer de.rec.bodyart in de.admin.news.groups!

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You know what, I am not even getting into this very deep right now. I don’t need to listen to you or do what you are telling me. Someone asks a question, I have a valid suggestion, I answer. That’s what should be done. Whatever beef you have with me, just let it go, because this is my last response from me to you, unless you have something nice, or constructive to say.

Past posts aside, and only this one considered: You’re a little uppity for a newbie.   Did you read that very last bit of the survival guide?  If you did, read it again. And again. And again, until you understand it. —–yttrx

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C Be carefull what you are asking for and where. Rather try newsgroups that C with mythology such as alt.traditional.witchcraft; alt.witchcraft; C alt.religion.wicca and alt.religion.wicca.moderated and you can post also C alt.pagan         i might also add that asking for photos for an art study or something might be taken a bit better than asking specifically for TATTOO flash. not everyone is open to that; though i can’t see why a bunch of pagan witches would have a problem. lish 29.9% / 32

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Be carefull what you are asking for and where.

NB He was asking for a satyr, not a martyr.         holy crap, i love it when people for whom english isn’t even the native tongue make wordplay jokes like this.         yet another reason why nina should be declared a national treasure. lish 29.9% / 32

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writes: Oh, I don’t need newsgroups to see my name in print, my ‘real’-name is in various Who’s Who directories and business related magazine articles. I have enough gratification in real-life. AND THIS IS NOT TO START SOMETHING ELSE WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW GOING TO FLAME ME FOR BEING SO "FULL-OFF-MYSELF". Ergo, answering questions is not what I need to see my screen-name in print.

You actually paid to get your name in one of those who’s who directories. So you’re not only annoying your a chump. I don’t know what it is, but something about "wiccan/pagan" male always seems to  equate to completely unbearable personality, whereas the female counterpart is at least a 50/50 mix. — Chumley The Happy Clown "God made man, but a monkey supplied the glue." —- Devo

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Be carefull what you are asking for and where. NB He was asking for a satyr, not a martyr.         holy crap, i love it when people for whom english isn’t even the native tongue make wordplay jokes like this.         yet another reason why nina should be declared a national treasure.

I’d be happy with a greencard Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur http://www.critterwoman.de 2. RfD fuer de.rec.bodyart in de.admin.news.groups!

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managed to painstakingly type: : I don’t know what it is, but something about "wiccan/pagan" male always seems : to  equate to completely unbearable personality, whereas the female counterpart : is at least a 50/50 mix. usually 50% happy annoying fluff, and 50% stupidity. cassie, esotericist =] — "But the incident only increased my whacking energy, and I whacked until I could whack no more." -saram, rec.arts.bodyart 3/22/00 beware potted meat products invading your reply.

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Did you read that very last bit of the survival guide?  If you did, read it again. And again. And again, until you understand it.

Chuck Norris (from the boook The Secret Power Within) …     One of the basic tenets of Zen is that it really has nothing at all     to  teach, nothing to say: According to Zen, the truth is obvious,     or should be. You have to become aware of it on your own. I never read the book.  Nor do I know much about zen.  But I like the quote, and it seems appropriate here. http://www.REMOVEME.channel1.com/users/skaterat/killfile.html

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Nope, no pay and no pay for the articles as well… Just producing results by owning and running a midsize company on Wall Street. And you know me just from those stupid posts, so there’s not really much that you can judge about pagan males. You have idiots everywhere, of course not in here. The regulars in here are beyond any flaws. Many pagans are tattooed and are into bodyart as well. Hence some of your regulars might be pagans as well and you just don’t know about it.

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It’s all about probabilities, and based on my experiences I’ll agree that a pagan male is more likely to be an idiot than the average male. –Fred’very atheist, but legally ordained’Banana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nope, no pay and no pay for the articles as well… Just producing results by owning and running a midsize company on Wall Street. And you know me just from those stupid posts, so there’s not really much that you can judge about pagan males. You have idiots everywhere, of course not in here. The regulars in here are beyond any flaws. Many pagans are tattooed and are into bodyart as well. Hence some of your regulars might be pagans as well and you just don’t know about it.

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