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as is my way when embarking on a new project i like to learn about all the elements involved sometimes its hard not to get carried away to delve _too_ deeply into the minutiae  to crawl up ones own ass as it were….(oops,wrong n.g.) i dont _think_ i am overdoing it here getting overly concerned with things that shouldnt concern me if you think i am feel free to cuff me upside the head… i want the colours in my tattoo to be bright ,bold,vivid and intense it has come to my attention that there is an apparent difference between the brightness of the colours from tattoo to tattoo firstly i’m assuming that most tattoo pics (and yes,i know about assumptions) are taken when the artwork is relatively fresh this colour brightness difference is readily apparent when browsing the portfolios at the bme wesite now some of this difference is by design but im sure some is not… i am aware that cheap photo processors "heat up" the colours to make the images more impressive HEY!!! my head is fuckin huge in that picture!! no….really….. so this got me going… (the apparent colour difference,not my huge head) trying to find out about colour… i found disturbingly little info about colour a ton about healing,diddly squat about colour granted,i am no supersearchmonkey but i find it odd,there is so little info on ink i mean,this shit is being driven into your skin with a sharpened spike i would think you may be a _little_ curious about it…. i found a page on pigment dispersion at the nz. irezumi supplier it all sounded quite logical and sensible (in spite of the fact it is a sales pitch) basically an argument for using pre-dispersed liquid colour as opposed to mixing your own powdered pigment when i ask artists what they use for colour i get funny looks and evasive answers a few have said they mix their own (that implies powdered pigment to me) a couple have said starbright apparently starbright is an acrylic which,i would think,will provide bright durable colour although… the only negative things i have heard about colour were all about starbright… (and it was on the internet,so it _must_ be factual) suggesting to an artist that i think he should use colour brand x on my tattoo is in essence,to him,an insult to his current colour i dont want some pissed off guy going at me with a tattoo gun so i guess what im asking you all for is not so much what i should _do_ but more what you_ know_ about colour (with or without a u,whichever you prefer) any illumination you can cast on this subject would be much appreciated….. oh…. on cycle was/is an anagram for cyclone heceforth all my posts shall appear with cyclone in the header line cyclone…who goes in on the 11th,to get started…. p.s.and have you _heard_ the "queens of the stone age" "songs for the deaf" wicked good shit,that……

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it has come to my attention that there is an apparent difference between the brightness of the colours from tattoo to tattoo

I am not a tattooist, but it seems to me that many people do not take care of their tattoos well.  They don’t heal them well and they don’t protect them from the sun.  It makes a huge difference. Perhaps someone who does know more about the technicalities can comment on your other questions.

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oc a couple have said starbright oc apparently starbright is an acrylic oc which,i would think,will provide bright durable colour         starbright inks are very bright indeed. oc the only negative things i have heard about colour oc were all about starbright… oc (and it was on the internet,so it _must_ be factual)         some people react. but some will react to other, non acrylic inks, too. it’s your call what you want to try. oc suggesting to an artist oc that i think he should use colour brand x on my tattoo oc is in essence,to him,an insult to his current colour oc i dont want some pissed off guy going at me with a tattoo gun         you find the artist whose work you admire, that has the brightness you require. then there won’t be debate on inks. oc cyclone…who goes in on the 11th,to get started….         what artist did you select? oc p.s.and have you _heard_ the "queens of the stone age" oc "songs for the deaf" wicked good shit,that……         i miss kyuss. lish                                          "it truly breaks my heart 38.9% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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(cutself)    starbright inks are very bright indeed.

that may be what im seeing then starbrite may be the super vivid colours oc the only negative things i have heard about colour oc were all about starbright… oc (and it was on the internet,so it _must_ be factual)    some people react. but some will react to other, non acrylic inks, too. it’s your call what you want to try.

hard to decide what i want to try there is sort of a plastic(y)(ish) look to the brightest colours so what i may be noticing is the difference between acrylic and the non-acrylics (moderate removal of text)    you find the artist whose work you admire, that has the brightness you require. then there won’t be debate on inks.

just like having my cake and eating it too… i haven’t seen any of his work in person to judge the colour it looked good in photos…. but not the _very_ brightest ive seen said he has spent fifteen years refining his colour selection and that different colours are sourced from different places based on brightness,durability,blah,blah,blah… oc cyclone…who goes in on the 11th,to get started….    what artist did you select?

lannie glover at fantality im gonna go for a ride down there before the 11 so i can see some of his work in person last time i was there he was finishing a painting and there were no tattoo customers in the shop oc p.s.and have you _heard_ the "queens of the stone age" oc "songs for the deaf" wicked good shit,that……    i miss kyuss.

i can understand that qotsa,dont have the _edge_ that kyuss did what i liked about kyuss was josh and nick  the warm fuzzy guitar, the brilliant riffs and the "pocket",nick is definitely "in the pocket" as kid rock said in a song somewhere(whats my name) ….got more riffs than randy rhoads… cyclone….who misses frank zappa the most…. p.s.thanks v.much for your input..

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it has come to my attention that there is an apparent difference between the brightness of the colours from tattoo to tattoo I am not a tattooist, but it seems to me that many people do not take care of their tattoos well.  They don’t heal them well and they don’t protect them from the sun.  It makes a huge difference.

i shall take care to heal it well and will ensure it is protected from the sun thanks cyclone…..spf80

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starbright inks are very bright indeed. that may be what im seeing then starbrite may be the super vivid colours

I personally wouldn’t let them near my skin, but to each his own. Acryllics are more biologically active (do a google search on xenoestrogen), and they haven’t been in use very long. some people react. but some will react to other, non acrylic inks, too. it’s your call what you want to try.

And that’s true. My concern would be for the long-term effects. hard to decide what i want to try there is sort of a plastic(y)(ish) look to the brightest colours so what i may be noticing is the difference between acrylic and the non-acrylics

Another thing is that ALL the magazines seem to post-process the photos.  If you’re judging the tattoo artists’ work from magazine photos, all bets are off. One final thing: not only does aftercare enter into the equation, but the canvas’s skin tone to begin with can affect the final product. Lily white skin as opposed to olive toned, to tanned, to dark brown… inks go under a layer of this. The end result will be somewhat different depending on the darkness of that layer.     Susan

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One final thing: not only does aftercare enter into the equation, but the canvas’s skin tone to begin with can affect the final product. Lily white skin as opposed to olive toned, to tanned, to dark brown… inks go under a layer of this. The end result will be somewhat different depending on the darkness of that layer.

When I was last tattooed, the bloke told me that he loves getting people with my colouring to work on for tattoo competitions.  I’m a redhead without significant freckles with the porcelain-pale skin that often goes with that. Apparently out skin shows off colour very nicely.

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(del) that may be what im seeing then starbrite may be the super vivid colours I personally wouldn’t let them near my skin, but to each his own. Acryllics are more biologically active (do a google search on xenoestrogen)

arrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhh!! curses…. ignorance is/was bliss now im gonna be walking around in clothes made from stapled together unbleached paper towels afraid to use soap,bleach and toothpaste smelling bad,wearing no anti-perspirant scared to touch anything made from any kind of plastic and a _ton_ of other substances , and they haven’t been in use very long.

reason enough for me to avoid them they arent gonna pay me to be a test bed for their product so i dont believe that i will go that way (snizzle) Another thing is that ALL the magazines seem to post-process the photos.  If you’re judging the tattoo artists’ work from magazine photos, all bets are off.

i bought _one_ tattoo mag 8.99 cdn i almost fainted when i had to pay for it has the look of an easyriders publication im not too fond of that bunch,so i didnt buy anymore but i have looked more at photos than i have live tattoo’s which is what i am going to do this week i guess One final thing: not only does aftercare enter into the equation, but the canvas’s skin tone to begin with can affect the final product. Lily white skin as opposed to olive toned, to tanned, to dark brown… inks go under a layer of this. The end result will be somewhat different depending on the darkness of that layer.

makes perfect sense im no lillywhite nor am i an olive tone but i would guess im closer to swarthiness than i am to translucense cyclone…..  …..thanking you ,and running naked, into the woods, screaming…..

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – starbright inks are very bright indeed. that may be what im seeing then starbrite may be the super vivid colours I personally wouldn’t let them near my skin, but to each his own. Acryllics are more biologically active (do a google search on xenoestrogen), and they haven’t been in use very long.

I’d agree with you here Susan. I have a couple pieces done with Starbrights. I did fine with everything but Reds/oranges which ended up a scaly leathery nightmare for about a month though it looks fine now. I guess i just don’t trust the other stuff aside from the acrylic in them. I personally use Dynamic wich is a very pigment dense organic/ mineral based line. Thin consistancy which many artists don’t like but I get a very bright result and have had no reports of any hassles on the healout. So I suffice to say I am happy with the results. One final thing: not only does aftercare enter into the equation, but the canvas’s skin tone to begin with can affect the final product. Lily white skin as opposed to olive toned, to tanned, to dark brown… inks go under a layer of this. The end result will be somewhat different depending on the darkness of that layer.

This is the part that is the hardest to get a client to understand. Usually those who have darker tones I try to explain that it is kinda like looking at the colors through sunglasses. I think what I need to do   is some color washes over transparency sheets to show them the effect of color shift. Ya gotta love that Lilly white skin for color rendering though… Pure heaven to work on. — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo To reply Kill the idiot

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – starbright inks are very bright indeed. that may be what im seeing then starbrite may be the super vivid colours I personally wouldn’t let them near my skin, but to each his own. Acryllics are more biologically active (do a google search on xenoestrogen), and they haven’t been in use very long. I’d agree with you here Susan. I have a couple pieces done with Starbrights. I did fine with everything but Reds/oranges which ended up a scaly leathery nightmare for about a month though it looks fine now. I guess i just don’t trust the other stuff aside from the acrylic in them.

I’ve discussed this a bit with Susan through email already. And I am wondering if you can answer a question I asked her. Where does your information come from regarding Starbright ink being acrylic based? As far as I know the ingredient list on the bottle says nothing about acrylics. And so far I have not been able to find any information that indicates that  Starbright is acrylic. Not to say that a msileading label doesn’t exist . And I understand that the exact make up of the ink is probably not an easy thing to find either. You also make mention of other ingredients that you do not trust. What would those be? I have starbright ink in my sleeve that was just recently completed. Including orange. I am extremely happy with the results so far (I’m less than a week in healing the last session with the orange), especially the blues (the blue is fully healed). I have yet to suffer from what you describe as a ’scaly leather nightmare’, and in fact the last session is healing very fast and with out problem . If starbright ink is indeed acrylic based or  contains other questionable substances I’ld like to pass this information (with a reputable source) on to my artist,   Since he was under the impression that there was no acrylic in the ink. Thanks! Jay

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JC I have starbright ink in my sleeve that was just recently completed. JC Including orange. I am extremely happy with the results so far (I’m JC less than a week in healing the last session with the orange), JC especially the blues (the blue is fully healed). I have yet to suffer JC from what you describe as a ’scaly leather nightmare’, and in fact the JC last session is healing very fast and with out problem .         the outside half of my calf sleeve & my entire right forearm is starbright. i’ve had absolutely no problems either in healing the ink or keeping the ink… so far.         two lish points to anyone who catches the cameo reference in that last sentence. lish                                     "you seem to be on a different 38.9% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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two lish points to anyone who catches the cameo reference in that last sentence.

I googled it and it pointed me to an issue of Cult of the Dead Cow. Ah, sad pathetic memories of youth.  I never liked CDC but this guy I was friends with used to email it to me regularly.  He got really miffed at me when I told him I found it tedious and could he please stop.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – starbright inks are very bright indeed. that may be what im seeing then starbrite may be the super vivid colours I personally wouldn’t let them near my skin, but to each his own. Acryllics are more biologically active (do a google search on xenoestrogen), and they haven’t been in use very long. I’d agree with you here Susan. I have a couple pieces done with Starbrights. I did fine with everything but Reds/oranges which ended up a scaly leathery nightmare for about a month though it looks fine now. I guess i just don’t trust the other stuff aside from the acrylic in them. I’ve discussed this a bit with Susan through email already. And I am wondering if you can answer a question I asked her. Where does your information come from regarding Starbright ink being acrylic based? As far as I know the ingredient list on the bottle says nothing about acrylics. And so far I have not been able to find any information that indicates that  Starbright is acrylic. Not to say that a msileading label doesn’t exist . And I understand that the exact make up of the ink is probably not an easy thing to find either.

Most of it is from speaking to people, distributers, and others. Can I document it … No. I also doubt that you can obtain a MSDS on the product and yes like many other pigments the makeup is very likely kept closely guarded. You also make mention of other ingredients that you do not trust. What would those be?

When dealing with any acrylic you have carriers and stablizers. They may be inert they may be active. Beacause I do not know the specifics of thier dispersent I am distrustful of what they have to use to make inks of these types stable. Again it is an issue of I don’t know what is in it so I don’t particularly trust it. My first intro to Starbrights was about 10 years ago at Ink Slingers Ball through Papillion Supply at their booth. It made me leery when they were unable to answer my querys as to what the dispersent is and what the contents are. Don’t get me wrong here I love the supplyer for Machines, grips and tubes. I just don’t like or trust the pigment line they carry. I have starbright ink in my sleeve that was just recently completed. Including orange. I am extremely happy with the results so far (I’m less than a week in healing the last session with the orange), especially the blues (the blue is fully healed). I have yet to suffer from what you describe as a ’scaly leather nightmare’, and in fact the last session is healing very fast and with out problem .

This is a YMMV issue. I seem to be sensitive to those tones in that pigment line. I also have had the same reaction with a piece I had done with Perma Pro and no it is not the classic "Red Reaction" you hear bandyed around. The skin just gets very hard and rough and it is only in areas with reds and oranges. If starbright ink is indeed acrylic based or  contains other questionable substances I’ld like to pass this information (with a reputable source) on to my artist,   Since he was under the impression that there was no acrylic in the ink.

If someone has a list of the Ingrediants or a MSDS on the line I would love to take a look. That way I can do my own research on what *could* be reactive. Part of the reason I use Dynamic is they have been very candid about what they use in their inks. Call me odd but I like to know what I am putting in my body and the bodies of my clients. If it does not contain any acrylics or plastics then I stand corrected but I would like to know what’s in the stuff before I use it. — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo To reply Kill the idiot

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two lish points to anyone who catches the cameo reference in that last sentence.

S I googled it and it pointed me to an issue of Cult of the Dead Cow.         cDc was an influence, but that’s not the correct answer. lish                              "so crack your skull before you weep, 38.9% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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Ya gotta love that Lilly white skin for color rendering though… Pure heaven to work on.

That is exactly the reason why I’ve decided to go for a full color (or at least grayscale with red) tattoo, because i’m, like, *clear*. you can see my veins, i’m that pale. ::thinks about a tim kern shiva backpiece:: Cylence

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JC I have starbright ink in my sleeve that was just recently completed. JC Including orange. I am extremely happy with the results so far (I’m JC less than a week in healing the last session with the orange), JC especially the blues (the blue is fully healed). I have yet to suffer JC from what you describe as a ’scaly leather nightmare’, and in fact the JC last session is healing very fast and with out problem .    the outside half of my calf sleeve & my entire right forearm is starbright. i’ve had absolutely no problems either in healing the ink or keeping the ink… so far.

you did.  and i’m making a "me three" post.  my back piece is *all* Starbrite, and i’m having absolutely no problems with healing.  i’m just itchy, flaky, and in that just about done but not quite finished healing [but it makes me to rub my back against corners like the cat does] stage.    two lish points to anyone who catches the cameo reference in that last sentence.

"i hate rab," #3 katester — kate a. pohjola http://www.katester.net

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   two lish points to anyone who catches the cameo reference in that last sentence.

KA P "i hate rab," #3         well, no, not at all. those were some "ME TOO"s, not a "mE         sad, sad people with no sense of internet history. lish                                      "you have pretty good posture 38.9% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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Ok, I do at home tattoo’s with my homemade tattoo gun and I use India Ink for the tattoo ink but the red ink that I have just isn’t thick enough and I was wondering if there is anything that I can add to it safely to make it a little thicker… Please either respond to this port or email me! Thanks!

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Ok, I do at home tattoo’s with my homemade tattoo gun and I use India Ink for the tattoo ink but the red ink that I have just isn’t thick enough and I was wondering if there is anything that I can add to it safely to make it a little thicker… Please either respond to this port or email me! Thanks!

corn starch usually works for me Joy -cookin’

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Ok, I do at home tattoo’s with my homemade tattoo gun and I use India Ink for the tattoo ink but the red ink that I have just isn’t thick enough and I was wondering if there is anything that I can add to it safely to make it a little thicker… Please either respond to this port or email me! Thanks!

*** I find that toothpaste is a good thickener. The paste, not the gel. The gel fucks up the tubes. You can try the sperm of a dog, too. Some species are not safe though. I forget which. I spent my time in the joint doing pushups. Not tattooing. Let us know what works. Thanks. — k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9 — e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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s Ok, I do at home tattoo’s with my homemade tattoo gun and I use India s Ink for the tattoo ink but the red ink that I have just isn’t thick s enough and I was wondering if there is anything that I can add to it s safely to make it a little thicker… Please either respond to this         try arrowroot, hair dye developer (the white stuff), egg yolk, talcum, or the ashes from your patchouli incense sticks. you need a lot of ashes for it to work, but that’s the mix that’ll get you closest to the benevolent light g-d. lish                                           "i’m blind & happy, sir, 38.5% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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There is a toner for all skin types but for acne prone skin a toner containing alcohol is best.

How can you say that? Alcohol is NOT good for skin, and acne prone skin is rather likely to become IRRITATED by alcohol. It is inexpensive though, which is why it’s used in so many products. Doug

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I have been on a mission for this same issue.  I’m clear from B5, but I have enlarged pores/pinprick type scars.  Here’s what I’ve discovered: Microdermabrasion is supposed to reduce pore/scar size- however, it is ridiculously expensive and would take many micros to achieve results.  I’ve found I can get the same results w a sugar scrub at home.  It works, but it takes patience- at least 3 mos of doing the scrub every 3 days to make a noticeable improvement.  In addition, I’ve been reading about two new treatments that may help. One is a photofacial- ultra pulse light that generates new collagen growth- claimed to reduce broken capillaries, rosacea, and best for me: reduces pores.  Another is skin needling- done w a tattoo gun without the dye- it also generates new collagen growth and is supposed to heal scars- both methods take up to 3 mos to see results- because your collagen is regrowing and that can’t happen overnight.  Good luck.  So far, my pores have been reduced with the home sugar scrub, but I need more and will post back if I have the other procedures.

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Dear Rohanan, Thank you for your post:)! Would you mind please to describe in more details how to exfoliate with sugar?  I trust your judgment after reading some of your posts about your experience with B5 with which I also have had superb results (3 grams/day). TIA, galya – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been on a mission for this same issue.  I’m clear from B5, but I have enlarged pores/pinprick type scars.  Here’s what I’ve discovered: Microdermabrasion is supposed to reduce pore/scar size- however, it is ridiculously expensive and would take many micros to achieve results.  I’ve found I can get the same results w a sugar scrub at home.  It works, but it takes patience- at least 3 mos of doing the scrub every 3 days to make a noticeable improvement.  In addition, I’ve been reading about two new treatments that may help. One is a photofacial- ultra pulse light that generates new collagen growth- claimed to reduce broken capillaries, rosacea, and best for me: reduces pores.  Another is skin needling- done w a tattoo gun without the dye- it also generates new collagen growth and is supposed to heal scars- both methods take up to 3 mos to see results- because your collagen is regrowing and that can’t happen overnight.  Good luck.  So far, my pores have been reduced with the home sugar scrub, but I need more and will post back if I have the other procedures.

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Hi again, Regarding the use of sugar: I understand that you use the grains to mechanically exfoliate the skin.  If that is true then do you think that Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) sold very cheaply in every drugstore would be even more effective in that regard? Thank you again, galya

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Clear Action by NuSkin is promoted as helping past scars, reduce pore size, and to reduce ongoing scarring. I’ve been using it. Haven’t had a scarring problem so can’t report on that, but my pores have always rivaled moon craters and I can definitely report that they have indeed improved. Doug For the record, I also sell the product. But it’s great. http://ClearAction.mynuskinusa.com

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Hi,      Pores appear to get large when they are inflammed and plugged with either blackheads or a mix of dead skin,sebum and bacteria.Benzyl peroxide actually "blows out" the pore and thats why the dry flaky skin after its use.Washing regularly helps to rid of sebum/oil from the skin.However I believe the real answer is to Exfoliate regularly to remove the dead skin and plugged pores.(which can cause plugs to form)use a strong peel-off mask to remove plugged pores and blackheads,followed by a TONER.Toners are designed to Tighten the pores and make them appear smaller,leading to smoother skin.There is a toner for all skin types but for acne prone skin a toner containing alcohol is best.You can find more info on my website at www.preeventacne.com regards, Ash —  for the latest in Blackheads,whiteheads,zits,pimples,spots,exfoliating and a deep cleansing facial  go to http://www.preeventacne.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a question for the group, particularly dealing with pore size and scars.  I am 26 and have had acne since I was 18.  Currently it is under control, but if I forget to wash for a day I break out so I know I do still have acne.  Anways, I have been washign with a 10% benzyl peroxide wash and use an 8% benzyl peroxide cream, followed by Cetaphil moisturizer afterwards.  My skin has been pretty clear with this regimen, much more so than when I was taking anibiotics.  But I’ve noticed that the few pock marks – or scars – that I do have a getting worse, along with the pores around my nose and, along the sides of my eyes, etc are getting really big.  This not only looks like hell but makes the smaller scars also larger.  I was wondering what I could do to deal with these.  I have begun putting on a sunscreen, non-commedogenic, and have began looking into facial peels and even retin-a – which I heard can help drastically with overall skin improvement.  Does anyone know of an effective way to deal with large pores and scars?

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try ketsugo http://proven.virtualave.net/ketsugo.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a question for the group, particularly dealing with pore size and scars.  I am 26 and have had acne since I was 18.  Currently it is under control, but if I forget to wash for a day I break out so I know I do still have acne.  Anways, I have been washign with a 10% benzyl peroxide wash and use an 8% benzyl peroxide cream, followed by Cetaphil moisturizer afterwards.  My skin has been pretty clear with this regimen, much more so than when I was taking anibiotics.  But I’ve noticed that the few pock marks – or scars – that I do have a getting worse, along with the pores around my nose and, along the sides of my eyes, etc are getting really big.  This not only looks like hell but makes the smaller scars also larger.  I was wondering what I could do to deal with these.  I have begun putting on a sunscreen, non-commedogenic, and have began looking into facial peels and even retin-a – which I heard can help drastically with overall skin improvement.  Does anyone know of an effective way to deal with large pores and scars?

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if you’re using an 8% brevoxyl, that is the reason.  brevoxyl is absolute shit.  switch to unmixed benzaclin + accutane 10 mg qod.

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I had a question for the group, particularly dealing with pore size and scars.  I am 26 and have had acne since I was 18.  Currently it is under control, but if I forget to wash for a day I break out so I know I do still have acne.  Anways, I have been washign with a 10% benzyl peroxide wash and use an 8% benzyl peroxide cream, followed by Cetaphil moisturizer afterwards.  My skin has been pretty clear with this regimen, much more so than when I was taking anibiotics.  But I’ve noticed that the few pock marks – or scars – that I do have a getting worse, along with the pores around my nose and, along the sides of my eyes, etc are getting really big.  This not only looks like hell but makes the smaller scars also larger.  I was wondering what I could do to deal with these.  I have begun putting on a sunscreen, non-commedogenic, and have began looking into facial peels and even retin-a – which I heard can help drastically with overall skin improvement.  Does anyone know of an effective way to deal with large pores and scars?

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     I am in the process of turning my art studio into my shop (provided that I jump through the last few hoops the city has put into place) and now that the reconstruction process is winding down I wanted to start thinking about the finished studio…      Does anyone have any input on the absolute last thing you want to see in a shop and inversely, things that have made you feel more comfortable while getting work done?        It is a small shop, appointment only, with a patio and a fish pond next to it.  The general theme is low key… greg

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     Does anyone have any input on the absolute last thing you want to see in a shop and inversely, things that have made you feel more comfortable while getting work done?

first thing I wanna see is the autoclave and the last is an ashtray… that’s just me though j

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 Does anyone have any input on the absolute last thing you want to see in a shop

*** Corpses. and inversely, things that have made you feel more comfortable while getting work done?  

*** Beautiful, naked cheerleaders making out. — k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9 — e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n —                                   ///

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I am in the process of turning my art studio into my shop (provided that I jump through the last few hoops the city has put into place) and now that the reconstruction process is winding down I wanted to start thinking about the finished studio…     Does anyone have any input on the absolute last thing you want to see in a shop and inversely, things that have made you feel more comfortable while getting work done?       It is a small shop, appointment only, with a patio and a fish pond next to it.  The general theme is low key… greg

I was thinking if I were an artiest and could use a tattoo gun I would have a shop that was extremely high class it’s cleanliness would put a hospital to shame. Expensive furniture, coffee lattes the works.   There is a market out there of the well to do bastards with lots of money but they take a look at some of these dumps and run the other way…..lol……plus they see all the guys and gals hanging around with there pink spiked hair, etc., and that isn’t a drawing card either for the customers I’d be going after. Just my $.02 worth.

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Most shops DO put hospital cleanliness to shame. At least the hospitals around here. There’s always dust and stuff all over the place. And all the sick people make it extra germy. — "I don’t know what the Third World War will be fought with, but the Fourth will be fought with sticks and stones"     —  Albert Einstein

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I am in the process of turning my art studio into my shop (provided that I jump through the last few hoops the city has put into place) and now that the reconstruction process is winding down I wanted to start thinking about the finished studio…     Does anyone have any input on the absolute last thing you want to see in a shop and inversely, things that have made you feel more comfortable while getting work done?     It is a small shop, appointment only, with a patio and a fish pond next to it.  The general theme is low key… greg I was thinking if I were an artiest and could use a tattoo gun I would have a shop that was extremely high class it’s cleanliness would put a hospital to shame. Expensive furniture, coffee lattes the works. There is a market out there of the well to do bastards with lots of money but they take a look at some of these dumps and run the other

way…..lol……plus – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – they see all the guys and gals hanging around with there pink spiked hair, etc., and that isn’t a drawing card either for the customers I’d be going after. Just my $.02 worth.

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and inversely, things that have made you feel more comfortable while getting work done?  

KA *** Beautiful, naked cheerleaders making out.         i have those at my house, keith, but you just couldn’t catch a hold of bruce…         & speaking of which, i met him at the soflor expo. good guy. sneered a lot when i dropped your name on his foot. lish                         "are you a believer? well, i’m a deceiver. 36.9% / 31                                                RANA 125 / 68

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   i have those at my house, keith, but you just couldn’t catch a hold of bruce…

*** Oh, I got him. When he was down there and on his way out.    & speaking of which, i met him at the soflor expo. good guy. sneered a lot when i dropped your name on his foot.

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<< first thing I wanna see is the autoclave and the last is an ashtray…      I would love to show off an autoclave but the Health Dept (capital H) requires that my autoclave, ultrasonic cleaner, etc. must be kept in an area away from the customers, preferable a separate room or closet to minimize the chances for contamination.      I can post the results of my spore test from the autoclave on the wall but I don’t think that impresses most people.       I can avoid the ashtray for sure though.   thanks greg

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<< and inversely, things that have made you feel more comfortable while getting work done?  

*** Beautiful, naked cheerleaders making out. can I rent those anywhere? I am always willing to go the distance for art…

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<<  was thinking if I were an artiest and could use a tattoo gun I would have a shop that was extremely high class it’s cleanliness would put a hospital to shame. Expensive furniture, coffee lattes the works.          well, the hospital part is easy since most of them are pits of leaping and clawing bacteria but I know what you mean.      I have new wood flooring that I am waiting to put in after my final plumbing inspection; I skipped the vinyl stuff and the finish I will put over the floor should be able to take the constant cleaning.      I have a decent collection of really cool chinese papercuts that I was thinking about using for part of the walls but I still have to paint in this studio so at least one wall will be covered with canvas.    Any more ideas?    Also one quick note, I put a shower in the bathroom for those people who can’t smell themselves. Seems easier than sending them home…

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     I have new wood flooring that I am waiting to put in after my final plumbing inspection; I skipped the vinyl stuff and the finish I will put over the floor should be able to take the constant cleaning.

In many jurisdiction this is NOT allowed. Most require that flooring in a work area be non porous and seamless. which pretty much forces vinyl.

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<< first thing I wanna see is the autoclave and the last is an ashtray…      I would love to show off an autoclave but the Health Dept (capital H) requires that my autoclave, ultrasonic cleaner, etc. must be kept in an area away from the customers, preferable a separate room or closet to minimize the

you could have it behind a chest-hight wall with a ‘dutch’, or half door to keep them out, or behind a window.  I doubt the health department cares if it’s VISIBLE, just that the customers not be able to touch it or the area around it. A big second on the ashtray thing, nothing nastier then the cigarette-haze that forms on all surfaces in a smokeing environment.   Also, nobody wants to see animals, small drooly children, over-full trashcans, or dirty bathrooms. Make sure your bathroom is painted with gloss paint that can be scrubbed.   What they DO want to see are lots and lots of your work, in a nice portfolio. Speaking of, do you have any of your work online? How about you post a url? TQ

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     I have new wood flooring that I am waiting to put in after my      final plumbing inspection; I skipped the vinyl stuff and the finish I will put over the floor should be able to take the constant cleaning. In many jurisdiction this is NOT allowed. Most require that flooring in a work area be non porous and seamless. which pretty much forces vinyl.

I just got my first tattoo at a place with wood flooring.  Wood’s apparently cool in Western Mass, anyway. The place I went to (Living Arts Studio in Northampton) was really mellow with white walls and wood floors and a cool futon in the waiting room.  The artists areas were really well lit but still had plenty of skulls (for cred, I guess I’m sure that lots of people like the dungeon look as it fits their lifestyle.  As part of the "latte" crowd, I felt really comfortable in a place that could have passed as a Spa in Sonoma.  My $0.02 Cheers! Eric

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     I have new wood flooring that I am waiting to put in after my final plumbing inspection; I skipped the vinyl stuff and the finish I will put over

Do a nice sanding job, seal it with varnish or polyurethane, then put a nice square of lino down in your tattoo area. Really.  Wood floor in the waiting area, etc., sound nice and will look good, but you really, RELALY don’t want it where there is going to be ink, and blood… get a good, hard, slick lino, something that won’t catch stuff in little designs or embossings.  You don’t even have to glue it down or anything, just tack ’round the edges and put a piece of edging at the door, you can get fresh lino (or vinyl, whatever) once a year if you want, and the floor is protected.  Wood is too porous, even finished, for it to be a good idea.    Also one quick note, I put a shower in the bathroom for those people who can’t smell themselves. Seems easier than sending them home…

Gah.  That’s nasty.  They’ll still be putting their filthy, smelly clothing back on.  And what about atheletes foot, scabies, ringworm?  You’d need disposable shower shoes at the very least, plus hands-free soap dispensing, and towels that have to be washed in bleach and gods know what else… Forget it.  Keep a container of Handi-Wipes around for really stinky freaks, and save the shower for yourself when you’ve had a long day of it and want to freshen up.   TQ

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In many jurisdiction this is NOT allowed. Most require that flooring in a work area be non porous and seamless. which pretty much forces vinyl.

You could leave the wood flooring for the lobby areas, and for the actual work area, but vinyl or ceramic tile. Lissette

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I skipped the vinyl stuff

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I’m sure that lots of people like the dungeon look as it fits their lifestyle.  As part of the "latte" crowd, I felt really comfortable in a place that could have passed as a Spa in Sonoma.  My $0.02

That’s me, part of the latte crowed.  I found a place in Las Vegas that’s nice and I got 2 tattoos there.

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You could leave the wood flooring for the lobby areas, and for the actual work area, but vinyl or ceramic tile.

 I just realized a massive typo.  That "but" was supposed to be "put". Lissette

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<< you could have it behind a chest-hight wall with a ‘dutch’, or half door to keep them out, or behind a window.  I doubt the health department cares if it’s VISIBLE, just that the customers not be able to touch it or the area around it. That would be my assumption and I have recieved contradictory info from different inspectors…one guy insisted that it be enclosed and out of sight. That, unfortunately is the lowest common denominator that I have to go on. Maybe at a later date when I am not getting the white glove and magnifying glass treatment I can replace the solid panel in the closet with glass…

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<< Do a nice sanding job, seal it with varnish or polyurethane, then put a nice square of lino down in your tattoo area.        Actually, that was my plan…the tattooing area  will have a clear vinyl matt that I can remove and clean – sorta like the kind you get for office chairs to roll on the carpet. I picked one up a an office supply place awhile back.

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<< Gah.  That’s nasty.  They’ll still be putting their filthy, smelly clothing back on.  And what about atheletes foot, scabies, ringworm?  You’d need disposable shower shoes at the very least, plus hands-free soap dispensing, and towels that have to be washed in bleach and gods know what else… Forget it.  Keep a container of Handi-Wipes around for really stinky freaks, and save the shower for yourself when you’ve had a long day of it and want to freshen up.           The shower idea came to me 6 months ago when I was out at a show and bumped into some old friends who were touring and asked me to do work on them. After a few days in a van they were less than pretty,  So while I was plumbing the bathroom I figured that I had the extra space and put in a shower while I was at it.        As for the sanitary end of things, the laundry goes out with any shop laundry and soap dispensers are cheap and I already have several I picked up in the last year. A good wipedown with cidex will eliminate just about anything that crept off of there bodies…..I also have a few robes from goodwill that clean up nicely so no smelly street clothes will disgrace my work area.        Unfortunately, while pounding nails and digging trenches for plumbing lines, you have plenty of time to work out these problems in your head.      The real question is, do you charge someone the time for the shower ( a smelly fee?) or is it just part of the service?   greg

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The shower idea came to me 6 months ago when I was out at a show and bumped into some old friends who were touring and asked me to do work on them. After a few days in a van they were less than pretty,  So while I was plumbing the bathroom I figured that I had the extra space and put in a shower while I was at it.

The first thought I had when you mentioned this was:  if someone is oblivious to the fact that they are smelly, any suggestion of such on your part will probably be met with hostility. I mean, you go to get a tattoo and the artist (whom you’ve never met before) says, "You stink, here, take a shower"…justifiably or not, the customer will probably react along the lines of 1) embarassment, 2) anger, and 3) "f*ck you I’m never coming back here again" as they leave. Friends are one thing.  Strangers (who are paying you) might be a touchier proposition.  Just a thought. Mara

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     The shower idea came to me 6 months ago when I was out at a show and bumped into some old friends who were touring and asked me to do work on them. After a few days in a van they were less than pretty,  So while I was plumbing the bathroom I figured that I had the extra space and put in a shower while I was at it.   [snip]     The real question is, do you charge someone the time for the shower ( a smelly fee?) or is it just part of the service?  

If they’re friends, as in your example above, there’d be no charge, right? But how do you approach a client who stinks? The direct approach? "Man, you stink. Go home and shower! Or you can use my shower for ten bucks, free Goodwill robe included." You’ve quoted the person a price for their tattoo ahead of time, but you could always tack on an additional $10 because _the tattoo work ran longer than anticipated_. That way they don’t know they’re actually paying for your hot water. Still, how in hell do you tactfully get them in the shower? I agree with the previous poster (elsewhere in this thread), keep the shower for yourself. Get some of that Silence of the Lambs nose balm stuff to ward off any potential death stench. <g Kudos on a cool topic. — Curt http://iam.bmezine.com/?curt http://www.curtjames.com/

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<<  Still, how in hell do you tactfully get them in the shower?        I am left handed and have that horrible left hand crooked thing where I turn my hand inwards to work- this means I have the outside of my left hand constantly on their skin, sometimes my wrist and arm as well.  This of course puts me closer to them than I sometimes want to be, but I have used my awkward style as a lead in to why they need to clean up a little better. It is easy to frame it this way – "listen, this area we are working on looks great, but my hand and arm are goign to touching more parts of you than normal, so lets clean up a little more so as to not draw any bacteria from a dirty are into a clean area…" that usually works.      My friends get a different, more blunt version.  I would never charge my friends and I am unsure as to whether I would even charge others.  

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As some other people said, there’s a good chance that people will take offense at being asked to shower. No matter how good, or even true, the excuse/reason, there’s always gonna be people that will take it the wrong way ("what do you mean, other germs! I’m clean, I don’t HAVE GERMS!" for example…). Now, it’s still fine for you to ask them to shower and all, they may be offended, but will do it anyways, especially if otherwise, you come off as a really nice and knowledgeable etc. guy. However, after getting offended at being asked to get cleaner, I’d be super extra pissed off at being asked to actually pay for it. It’s at that point that you might lose some customers, I think. Especially if it’s someone from out of town who doesn’t have ready access to a shower for whatever reason, or who lives clear accross town, or whatever. I say don’t charge. Or charge a quarter just for the sake of it, better yet, a nickel. — "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain;  as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."   –Albert Einstein

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << Gah.  That’s nasty.  They’ll still be putting their filthy, smelly clothing back on.  And what about atheletes foot, scabies, ringworm?  You’d need disposable shower shoes at the very least, plus hands-free soap dispensing, and towels that have to be washed in bleach and gods know what else… Forget it.  Keep a container of Handi-Wipes around for really stinky freaks, and save the shower for yourself when you’ve had a long day of it and want to freshen up.       The shower idea came to me 6 months ago when I was out at a show and bumped into some old friends who were touring and asked me to do work on them. After a few days in a van they were less than pretty,  So while I was plumbing the bathroom I figured that I had the extra space and put in a shower while I was at it.      As for the sanitary end of things, the laundry goes out with any shop laundry and soap dispensers are cheap and I already have several I picked up in the last year. A good wipedown with cidex will eliminate just about anything that crept off of there bodies…..I also have a few robes from goodwill that clean up nicely so no smelly street clothes will disgrace my work area.      Unfortunately, while pounding nails and digging trenches for plumbing lines, you have plenty of time to work out these problems in your head.      The real question is, do you charge someone the time for the shower ( a smelly fee?) or is it just part of the service? greg

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Ok, I need to know the best way to gauge your ears….

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"Ilovepieohpah" wrote … Ok, I need to know the best way to gauge your ears….

i say look at it from both sides. you never know what they’ll do. unpredictable & all… what have they done for you lately?

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Ok, I need to know the best way to gauge your ears….

Two approaches: 1.) Meanie-head Method (Significantly cuts down on noise in the signal-to-noise ratio scheme of things): 2.) Vignette Method (May be interesting to some): Kid at a bowling alley, in their arcade, looked up from a race car game as I passed by and said, "Are those gauged?" or "Did you gauge those?" or something close. I told him nope that I’d had them punched to 2 gauge. His were, like, maybe an inch or slightly smaller in diameter. Big holes. And I asked him about them. He said he did it himself with progressively larger pens, Sharpies, etc. Hunnh. Cool. Necessity is the mother of invention. I’d go to a shop and ask. — Curt <http://www.curtjames.com/ hta "Here to amuse (or, perhaps, annoy)."

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2.) Vignette Method (May be interesting to some): Kid at a bowling alley, in their arcade, looked up from a race car game as I passed by and said, "Are those gauged?" or "Did you gauge those?" or something close. I told him nope that I’d had them punched to 2 gauge. His were, like, maybe an inch or slightly smaller in diameter. Big holes. And I asked him about them. He said he did it himself with progressively larger pens, Sharpies, etc.

I use the term vignette or vignetting daily in reference to optical performance and photography. I know a couple of other definitions for the word as well, none which seem to fit. What does it mean in this context? You’ve lost me. fr0glet (and just when I got back, too!)

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fr0glet replied: 2.) Vignette Method (May be interesting to some): Kid at a bowling alley, in their arcade, looked up from a race car game as I passed by and said, "Are those gauged?" or "Did you gauge those?" or something close. I told him nope that I’d had them punched to 2 gauge. His were, like, maybe an inch or slightly smaller in diameter. Big holes. And I asked him about them. He said he did it himself with progressively larger pens, Sharpies, etc. I use the term vignette or vignetting daily in reference to optical performance and photography. I know a couple of other definitions for the word as well, none which seem to fit. What does it mean in this context?

I was looking for a single word and vignette came to mind. Double-checked the spelling as well as the definition. What my dusty Webster offers is that it’s a verb or a noun as well as the definition related to photography. But it also lists, noun, "a short descriptive literary sketch" and as a verb, "to describe briefly." Both examples, however, do follow the reference to an engraving or a photograph or definition "to finish" a photograph. You’ve lost me.

Hrm. I’ve read that phrase before. You did, however, understand the context, right? Direct versus Hippie-Dippie (or Happy-Sunshiny). fr0glet (and just when I got back, too!)

Welcome back! — Curt http://www.curtjames.com/

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I scribbled in reply to fr0glet’s query: [snip] Vignette Method

[snip] I use the term vignette or vignetting daily in reference to optical performance and photography. I know a couple of other definitions for the word as well, none which seem to fit. What does it mean in this context? [snip] You did, however, understand the context, right?

D’OH! I should reread every question before replying. Direct versus Hippie-Dippie (or Happy-Sunshiny). fr0glet (and just when I got back, too!) Welcome back!

And just where were you??? Hope you and yours had a great time wherever you may have been. — Curt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – fr0glet replied: 2.) Vignette Method (May be interesting to some): Kid at a bowling alley, in their arcade, looked up from a race car game as I passed by and said, "Are those gauged?" or "Did you gauge those?" or something close. I told him nope that I’d had them punched to 2 gauge. His were, like, maybe an inch or slightly smaller in diameter. Big holes. And I asked him about them. He said he did it himself with progressively larger pens, Sharpies, etc. I use the term vignette or vignetting daily in reference to optical performance and photography. I know a couple of other definitions for the word as well, none which seem to fit. What does it mean in this context? I was looking for a single word and vignette came to mind. Double-checked the spelling as well as the definition. What my dusty Webster offers is that it’s a verb or a noun as well as the definition related to photography. But it also lists, noun, "a short descriptive literary sketch" and as a verb, "to describe briefly." Both examples, however, do follow the reference to an engraving or a photograph or definition "to finish" a photograph.

It’s not photo finishing. It’s also not desireable. It is a state where the edges of your image fall off into darkness due to curvature of field or aperture stopping or other factors. It can also look like a black circle around your picture, tunnel vision-like. You’ve lost me. Hrm. I’ve read that phrase before. You did, however, understand the context, right? Direct versus Hippie-Dippie (or Happy-Sunshiny).

I can almost always understand your context. I don’t care to contemplate the implications of that fr0glet (and just when I got back, too!) Welcome back!

Thanks, tho I’m leaving again tonight to camp and star-party. Summer is busy fr0glet

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writes: Two approaches: 1.) Meanie-head Method (Significantly cuts down on noise in the signal-to-noise ratio scheme of things):

You really just don’t get it. 2.) Vignette Method (May be interesting to some): Kid at a bowling alley, in their arcade, looked up from a race car game as I passed by and said, "Are those gauged?" or "Did you gauge those?" or something close. I told him nope that I’d had them punched to 2 gauge. His were, like, maybe an inch or slightly smaller in diameter. Big holes. And I asked him about them. He said he did it himself with progressively larger pens, Sharpies, etc. Hunnh. Cool. Necessity is the mother of invention. I’d go to a shop and ask.

Translation, you just wanted to post something but really don’t have a good answer. Silence is the better part of discretion, sometimes you really need to just not post. By the way the story about the kid was dumb, and I doubt that it really happened. If it did happen he probably asked "what gauge are those?" because most kids are smarter about this sorta thing than you. To gauge something would mean to measure it. Dumbass. Thanks. Chumley The Happy Clown

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: Kid at a bowling alley, in their arcade, looked up from a race car game as I passed by and said, "Are those gauged?" or "Did you gauge those?" or something close. I told him nope that I’d had them punched to 2 gauge. His were, like, maybe an inch or slightly smaller in diameter. Big holes. And I asked him about them. He said he did it himself with progressively larger pens, Sharpies, etc. By the way the story about the kid was dumb, and I doubt that it really happened. If it did happen he probably asked "what gauge are those?" because most kids are smarter about this sorta thing than you. To gauge something would mean to measure it. Dumbass.

It could easily be true Chumley.  The 14-24 YO set in jersey has taken to using the word "gauging" instead of "stretching".  They also use "gauged" to mean anything larger than 10g., in exactly the phrases Curt’s used above.  A habit born, no doubt,  from ignorance w/just a little info thrown in. Personally, I find it irritating. Curt’s location isn’t far from here, maybe 50 miles. Lou K. exit 7

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[snip] Kid at a bowling alley, in their arcade, looked up from a race car game as I passed by and said, "Are those gauged?" or "Did you gauge those?" or something close. I told him nope that I’d had them punched to 2 gauge. His were, like, maybe an inch or slightly smaller in diameter. Big holes. And I asked him about them. He said he did it himself with progressively larger pens, Sharpies, etc. [snip] The 14-24 YO set in jersey has taken to using the word "gauging" instead of "stretching".  They also use "gauged" to mean anything larger than 10g., in exactly the phrases Curt’s used above.  A habit born, no doubt,  from ignorance w/just a little info thrown in.

A lot of people use it as a verb in this area as well. That was the way the boy phrased it. Personally, I find it irritating.

Cool. It’s the term I became familiar with, but I have no problem saying ’stretching’, fwiw. Curt’s location isn’t far from here, maybe 50 miles. Lou K. exit 7

That’s right. Southcentral PA. Carlisle exit, Lou. — Curt http://www.curtjames.com/

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It could easily be true Chumley.  The 14-24 YO set in jersey has taken to using the word "gauging" instead of "stretching".  They also use "gauged" to mean anything larger than 10g., in exactly the phrases Curt’s used above.  A habit born, no doubt,  from ignorance w/just a little info thrown in. Personally, I find it irritating.

Allright, I’ll give that much. However didn’t he take an oath or something to try and teach the kid the correct terminology. I mean he is a teacher, and a Mormon. Chumley The Happy Clown

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It could easily be true Chumley.  The 14-24 YO set in jersey has taken to using the word "gauging" instead of "stretching".  They also use "gauged" to mean anything larger than 10g., in exactly the phrases Curt’s used above. A habit born, no doubt,  from ignorance w/just a little info thrown in. Personally, I find it irritating. Allright, I’ll give that much. However didn’t he take an oath or something to try and teach the kid the correct terminology. I mean he is a teacher, and a Mormon.

He may have, can’t say one way or another.  I have two kids in that group, and even though I can speak to them, communication with most of that demographic group eludes me.  Well, COMFORTABLE communication, anwyay. My offspring do not say "gauge", except in appropriate context.  They have their odd mannerisms (as we all did or do), but mercifully that one’s not among them. In the end, like being a Marine, formal teaching’s not for me, but I’m glad ~someone’s~ drawn to the vocation.  I am a parent, and therefore a teacher, but my responsibility extends pretty much only to MY kids.  I can deal with them.  I cannot imagine being saddled w/20-25 kids to whom I’m not related. That is the stuff nightmares are made of. Yes, Curt’s tougher than I. But now we approach the issue of tenure… Lou K. exit 7

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The 14-24 YO set in jersey has taken to using the word "gauging" instead of "stretching".  They also use "gauged" to mean anything larger than 10g., in exactly the phrases Curt’s used above.  A habit born, no doubt,  from ignorance w/just a little info thrown in. Personally, I find it irritating.

Older folks always have trouble with keeping up with younger folks slang. Or is it just you can’t handle someone not using your "King English" ? You don’t have to take guff from me, I ain’t a regular or anything. But then the world won’t stop for you. In my area people are using the same terms in the same ways. Beautiful.

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Ok, I need to know the best way to gauge your ears….

You can pick up steel pins made for such things as such trendy places as Hot Topic. Or you can do what we use to do and work up from pens to markers. Sometimes you file them down a bit but a standard bic pen is about an 0ga (if I remember right, its been a long time). Just look at things and figure if they are safe (if your piercing is healed why couldn’t you use most plastics that are in pens and what not) and if they can fit into your piercing. And btw I haven’t seen too many pins that will stretch it beyond a 00ga.

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Frater Faust used some "older folks" terminology: [snip] Older folks always have trouble with keeping up with younger folks slang. Or is it just you can’t handle someone not using your "King English" ? You don’t have to take guff from me, [snip] Beautiful.

I don’t know about The King’s English, but guff and beautiful are two very cool older folks terms, Frater Faust. And how old are you now? <g — Curt http://www.curtjames.com/

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The 14-24 YO set in jersey has taken to using the word "gauging" instead of "stretching".  They also use "gauged" to mean anything larger than 10g., in exactly the phrases Curt’s used above. A habit born, no doubt,  from ignorance w/just a little info thrown in. Personally, I find it irritating. Older folks always have trouble with keeping up with younger folks slang.

…and you appear to have an issue with projection.  How do you infer I’ve, "…trouble keeping up with younger folks <sic slang."? If you read ~very~ carefully, you’ll note that I said that I find it irritating, like nails on a chalkboard or reading one of your half-baked notions of what people are thinking, Ms. Cleo. As others have requested in the past (though not of you for some reason), please read for comprehension. Or is it just you can’t handle someone not using your "King English" ?

Yes, that must be it. Clearly. You don’t have to take guff from me, I ain’t a regular or anything.

Regular’s got nothing to do with it.  If you have valid points, I’ll consider them. You’re not giving me much to work with here. But then the world won’t stop for you. In my area people are using the same terms in the same ways. Beautiful.

Yes, absolutely marvelous. To quote my grandmother, "If ignorance is bliss, you’re a blister." Lou K. exit 7

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Frater Faust used some "older folks" terminology:

I was criticising the fact that… nevermind. Listen to Gen P, he knows (knew?) what was going on with language, but this is the wrong newsgroup for that. I don’t know about The King’s English, but guff and beautiful are two very cool older folks terms, Frater Faust. And how old are you now? <g

Old enough to call my knive a chiv, my pistol a rosco and young enough to accept that kids these days call stretching gauging and anything smaller (bigger) than a 10 a gauge.

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…and you appear to have an issue with projection.

look who’s talking. I only based my opinion upon what was observed. How do you infer I’ve, "…trouble keeping up with younger folks <sic slang."?

your sic If you read ~very~ carefully, you’ll note that I said that I find it irritating, like nails on a chalkboard

same thing, trouble keeping up… you don’t have to agree with me, faults are hard to admit. or reading one of your half-baked notions of what people are thinking, Ms. Cleo.

Thank you Mrs Thang. As others have requested in the past (though not of you for some reason), please read for comprehension.

Your understanding of my comprehension is of no consequence to me. Yes, that must be it. Clearly.

Beautiful, call it what I like or don’t call it at all right? Regular’s got nothing to do with it.  If you have valid points, I’ll consider them.

I have already invalidated them. You’re not giving me much to work with here.

Thats fine, not always easy to get something of value unless you work for it. Yes, absolutely marvelous. To quote my grandmother, "If ignorance is bliss, you’re a blister."

And if ignorance is bliss your a fucking orgasm… <sic

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Frater Faust reacted: I was criticising the fact that… nevermind. [snip] but this is the wrong newsgroup for that.

No, this is the right newsgroup. Welcome to rec.arts.bodyart. Now go sit at that table over there with that nice young girl. I’ll get the three of us some drinks and we can all shut up together. And how old are you now? <g Old enough to call my knive a chiv, my pistol a rosco and young enough to accept that kids these days call stretching gauging

[snip] Knive? Hey, thank you, Frater. I thought you also misspelled roscoe and shiv and as I Googled to verify, I stumbled across: http://interconnected.org/ Fun! Regarding gauging as a verb: Hey, I’m fine with that. — Curt http://www.curtjames.com/ "But then I have no problem with ‘tattoo gun’."

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[snip] Hm. Well, it’s an approach. Best of luck with that. Frater, besides being argumentative, do you have any interest in tattoos or piercings? You still in the Rocky Mountain region? And did you ever have your tongue split? I’d actually be more interested if you had the frenectomy completed. Thinking of getting my tongue pierced again, but a frenectomy may be in order first. <sic

Fyi: (from m-w.com) Main Entry: (3)sic Function: adverb, Etymology: Latin, so, thus Intentionally so written — used after a printed word or passage to indicate that it is intended exactly as printed or to indicate that it exactly reproduces an original <said he seed [sic] it all I never knew exactly what that meant. I always assumed it was, perhaps, shorthand for "spelling incorrect". But now I know. What have you learned today? — Curt http://www.curtjames.com/ "Btw, what does P.D.M. stand for?"

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Hm. Well, it’s an approach. Best of luck with that.

I learn through trial and error, how else to gain experience? Frater, besides being argumentative, do you have any interest in tattoos or piercings?

I currently have about a dozen holes through my body at any one time. Nothing too extreme really, nothing stretched too big really. My body is about 1/8 covered in ink though that will be changing soon as I add to stuff. Thanks for being friendly. You still in the Rocky Mountain region?

Unfortunately, will be moving to Pacific Northwest this Samhain with any luck. And did you ever have your tongue split?

I didn’t. The guy wanted nearly 500, which while reasonable – well I quit my high paying job and can’t afford it… yet. But I will in a month or two and of course since I have nothing to do but hang out here and in yahoogroups I will be sure to go on about it. I’d actually be more interested if you had the frenectomy completed.

I was stupid enough to try and cut the damned thing myself. The scar tissue is mean as hell now and I will have to go in to get it done proper. I need to get a tooth pulled so when I go in to my dentist he will take care of the thing. Thinking of getting my tongue pierced again, but a frenectomy may be in order first.

A buddy of mine is in the same boat. His tongue isn’t too restricted but he has this giant frenum that runs to about a quarter inch from the end of his tongue and it wide as hell so a tongue piercing would seriously be off to one side or the other. I never knew exactly what that meant. I always assumed it was, perhaps, shorthand for "spelling incorrect". But now I know.

I have even had teachers who were English Majors prior to becoming to teachers that stated it was spelling incorrect. What have you learned today?

That your a lot more fun that previously thought. I am sure something else will be learned today, I feel like making mistakes.

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No, this is the right newsgroup. Welcome to rec.arts.bodyart. Now go sit at that table over there with that nice young girl. I’ll get the three of us some drinks and we can all shut up together.

as angry italians wave their hands and say "you shudda you face" Knive? Hey, thank you, Frater.

You knnow how quick I type and many other things are going on. If I spell it at least phonetically I am pleased. I could spellcheck everything I post but that would probably triple the amount of time I spend online, which is still way too much lately. I thought you also misspelled roscoe and shiv and as I Googled to verify,

damn your kings english, I could write in the style of yankee gentlemen or old irish poets to further make matters crappy… I stumbled across: http://interconnected.org/ Fun!

I am amused Regarding gauging as a verb: Hey, I’m fine with that.

With its definition relating to stretching an hole in the body? or as in measuring something?

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Frater Faust replied: [snip] Regarding gauging as a verb: Hey, I’m fine with that. With its definition relating to stretching an hole in the body? or as in measuring something?

Both. — Curt http://www.curtjames.com/

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Frater Faust replied: Regarding gauging as a verb: Hey, I’m fine with that.

*** Fucking shit. You STRETCH a piercing. You don’t gauge one. I can gauge the stretchability. Damn fucking emo kids. "I like boys with gauged lobez." Gimme back my shit. — k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9 — e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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I haven’t seen too many pins that will stretch it beyond a 00ga.

FWIW, http://bmeshop.com/?cmd=it&wo=46 Cylence

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if you want to make a tattoo gun out from household items then all you need is a walkman or a cd-rom or cd-player… take it apart, remove the motor with asoldering iron or just rip it out, which ever works best for you…  youll need a pen cap and about 2" of the stem…  take the valve (brass piece that the flame comes out of) from a lighter for the tip…  also you’ll need the spring from the flint, straighten it out, sanitize it melt small hole in the plastic piece on the motor then bend the tip of your needle and insert it into the pen and get some ink… its pretty self explainitory…  my directions suck!  you should be able to figure out how to hook it up electrically… i used a cd-player motor and used the adapter (6v) for power…  some use batteries but thats stupid…  i found this style from a friend in the joint…  it works…  at least mine does… sure the spring for a needle isnt as comfortable as a needle but it still works… if you know how to make ink let me know…  no one will sell me ink without a license… sucks…  anyhow hope that helps since no one else will help you out…  if it doesnt help sorry, i tried… phillie_b.

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<snip the tip of your needle and insert it into the pen and get some ink…

…and a victim. its pretty self explainitory…  my directions suck!

So do–nevermind. i found this style from a friend in the joint

Oh. if you know how to make ink let me know…  no one will sell me ink without a license…

ahahaha — Jkake

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its pretty self explainitory…  my directions suck!  

*** Not as well as yer daddy! Say hello!

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if you want to make a tattoo gun out from household items then all you need is a walkman or a cd-rom or cd-player…

"Potassium chlorate is an extremely volatile explosive compound and has been used in the past as the main explosive filler in grenades  land mines  and mortar rounds by such countries as France and Germany.  Common household bleach contains a small amount of potassium chlorate  which can be extracted by the procedure that follows." The rest is here: http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/humperdinck/634/Anarchy.htm now that sounds like a fuckload of a lot more fun to me – fuck people up in bigger numbers, go for the gusto! if you know how to make ink let me know…  no one will sell me ink without a license… sucks…  anyhow hope that helps since no one

NO ONE WILL? Have you tried AcidBaby’s supply Co. or his online helpdesk? good luck! Cat — oO$8$Oo.,oo,.oO$$88$Oo 8$:`   .8$$8.  ’;8$’ 8$.   ,8$  $8,  :8$ `8$$..8$o..o$8..;8$ http://www.catbones.com/ http://www.acid.org/

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.  my directions suck!  

really? we hadn’t suspected. i used a cd-player motor and used the adapter (6v) for power…  some use batteries but thats stupid…

wow. out of all the stuff you posted, *that* gets your choice for "stupid" ? not.quite.sure.what.to.say. if you know how to make ink let me know…

what, didn’t your buddy in the joint tell you how? did his directions suck, too?  anyhow hope that helps

nope.  i really wanted a pedicure. that is all, ~christy. Q:  What does Ecstasy do you for you? A:  It sometimes vaccuums the livingroom,     but will never do the dishes. ~angie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if you want to make a tattoo gun out from household items then all you need is a walkman or a cd-rom or cd-player… take it apart, remove the motor with asoldering iron or just rip it out, which ever works best for you…  youll need a pen cap and about 2" of the stem…  take the valve (brass piece that the flame comes out of) from a lighter for the tip…  also you’ll need the spring from the flint, straighten it out, sanitize it melt small hole in the plastic piece on the motor then bend the tip of your needle and insert it into the pen and get some ink… its pretty self explainitory…  my directions suck!  you should be able to figure out how to hook it up electrically… i used a cd-player motor and used the adapter (6v) for power…  some use batteries but thats stupid…  i found this style from a friend in the joint…  it works…  at least mine does… sure the spring for a needle isnt as comfortable as a needle but it still works… if you know how to make ink let me know…  no one will sell me ink without a license… sucks…  anyhow hope that helps since no one else will help you out…  if it doesnt help sorry, i tried… phillie_b.

Wow! I can go out and tattoo my friends(and maybe a few drugged models) now and make enough cash to start a nice crack habit! Or maybe the crack habit comes before tattooing with that thing… -NW

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if you want to make a tattoo gun out from household items then all you need is a walkman or a cd-rom or cd-player…

NINA!! Here is another example of someone who is NOT a newbie who you can MEAN AS HELL to.  Go for it.  Make ‘im cry.  Hehehe. TQ

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"Potassium chlorate is an extremely volatile explosive compound and has been used in the past as the main explosive filler in grenades  land mines  and mortar rounds by such countries as France and Germany.  Common household bleach contains a small amount of potassium chlorate  which can be extracted by the procedure that follows." The rest is here: http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/humperdinck/634/Anarchy.htm now that sounds like a fuckload of a lot more fun to me – fuck people up in bigger numbers, go for the gusto!

 at least you’re more of a help than anyone else around here…  i got ink though…  fuck people up?  how?  i already have one done with a gun like that and a needle from a lighter…  its fine, im fine… phillie_b.

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Tabaqui schrieb: if you want to make a tattoo gun out from household items then all you need is a walkman or a cd-rom or cd-player… NINA!! Here is another example of someone who is NOT a newbie who you can MEAN AS HELL to.  Go for it.  Make ‘im cry.  Hehehe.

Why don’t *you* do it? You know you want to ;. Nina — http://chaotropic.net C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur

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 at least you’re more of a help than anyone else around here…  i got ink though…  fuck people up?  how?  i already have one done with a gun like that and a needle from a lighter…  its fine, im fine… phillie_b.

Does your tattoo look like poop? -Tub

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fuck people up?  how?  i already have one done with a gun like that and a needle from a lighter…  its fine, im fine…

Can you please post a link to a pic? Thanks.

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if you know how to make ink let me know…  no one will sell me ink without a license… sucks…  anyhow hope that helps since no one else will help you out…  if it doesnt help sorry, i tried…

    You could be like the white trash that came into the student art supplies area of the bookstore i used to work with. came up with some calligraphy ink and asked if he could use it (from the bright-red-rimmed- inkpen-in-epileptics-hands looking shit on his forearms i guessed for tattoo ink.)          I stated that nothing sold for use on paper is a good choice, i think i tried to explain nontoxic art labels are nontoxic when used as intended. he bought some.         -Mo ( i tried) th — "urine is sterile."  -Dr Drew 12/5/00

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if you want to make a tattoo gun out from household items then all you need is a walkman or a cd-rom or cd-player… snip no one will sell me ink without a license… sucks…  

Hopefully they will keep up the good work. April "Home surgery is fun."

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if you want to make a tattoo gun out from household items then all you need is a walkman or a cd-rom or cd-player… snip no one will sell me ink without a license… sucks… Hopefully they will keep up the good work. April "Home surgery is fun."

Your .sig is funny in relation to your comment. So there.

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Here is another example of someone who is NOT a newbie who you can MEAN AS HELL to.  Go for it.  Make ‘im cry.  Hehehe. Why don’t *you* do it? You know you want to ;.

Bwahahahaha Actually, i leave this sort of thing to yttrx and the like, he can be SO much more inventive when it comes to pairing ‘fuck’ with heretofore unheard of combinations. TQ

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if you want to make a tattoo gun out from household items then all you need is a walkman or a cd-rom or cd-player…

<SNIP MacGyver-ish tattoo machine building instructions When ever I hear someone use the term Tattoo Gun I think of the make-up gun that Homer invented on the Simpsons. Some kind of double barreled ink firing deal. <BLAM instant Taz. Jayc

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Here is another example of someone who is NOT a newbie who you can MEAN AS HELL to.  Go for it.  Make ‘im cry.  Hehehe. Why don’t *you* do it? You know you want to ;. Bwahahahaha Actually, i leave this sort of thing to yttrx and the like, he can be SO much more inventive when it comes to pairing ‘fuck’ with heretofore unheard of combinations.

a-HA! so you admit to being secretly fascinated? Well then, flame vicariously, through yttrx and the like . Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://chaotropic.net

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Your .sig is funny in relation to your comment. So there.

I thought so too. So there you go. April "Home surgery is fun."

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Jason Clements sends: When ever I hear someone use the term Tattoo Gun I think of the make-up gun that Homer invented on the Simpsons.

I wonder if the person who invented airbrushed makeup saw that show before he/she did it… — –jmowreader http://www.macsalon.org Unsubscribing Instructions: http://www.macsalon.org/howtos/unsub.html

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Nightwyng sends: Wow! I can go out and tattoo my friends(and maybe a few drugged models) now and make enough cash to start a nice crack habit! Or maybe the crack habit comes before tattooing with that thing… -NW

Crack habit first. — –jmowreader http://www.macsalon.org Unsubscribing Instructions: http://www.macsalon.org/howtos/unsub.html

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Here is another example of someone who is NOT a newbie who you can MEAN AS HELL to.  Go for it.  Make ‘im cry.  Hehehe. Why don’t *you* do it? You know you want to ;. Bwahahahaha Actually, i leave this sort of thing to yttrx and the like,

There is *no one* like yttrx. Jess — "All those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand." – Steven Wright LadyJ is available at www.ladyj.net and fine stores everywhere.

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There is *no one* like yttrx. Jess

But, there is Reason #347 Why You Should Like yttrx: X-yousuckheader:  yup

– Schadenfreude

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stupid asses..

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ViShUs dol schrieb: stupid asses..

Please tell us more about your parents. Nina — http://chaotropic.net C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur

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hi all new to the group so bare with me. can anyone explain why a tattoo would actually peel off? i got this really cool celtic tattoo on my ankle about 4 weeks ago, it idi the normal healing, scabbing etc. over the last couple of days it looked fine. now today it looks like the tattoo itself is about to completely peel off. does anyone know why this would happen. now i am going to have a a nasty looking thing on my ankle and don’t know what to do. any response or help would be greatly appreciated.

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hi all new to the group so bare with me. can anyone explain why a tattoo would actually peel off? i got this really cool celtic tattoo on my ankle about 4 weeks ago, it idi the normal healing, scabbing etc. over the last couple of days it looked fine. now today it looks like the tattoo itself is about to completely peel off. does anyone know why this would happen. now i am going to have a a nasty looking thing on my ankle and don’t know what to do. any response or help would be greatly appreciated.

the top layer of skin is dead from the tattoo gun going through it… the skin will peel off and should reveal new smooth skin and your tattoo should look beautiful… — micehell (aka fuckbait) www.andersonville.strangesideofnormal.com http://www.geocities.com/amicehell Before you buy.

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hi all new to the group so bare with me. can anyone explain why a tattoo would actually peel off? i got this really cool celtic tattoo on my ankle about 4 weeks ago, it idi the normal healing, scabbing etc. over the last couple of days it looked fine. now today it looks like the tattoo itself is about to completely peel off. does anyone know why this would happen. now i am going to have a a nasty looking thing on my ankle and don’t know what to do. any response or help would be greatly appreciated.

Some of the ink will bleed out into the scab but rest assured, there is still plenty of ink under your epidermis. Once the scab is gone your tattoo will still be there in all its’ glory and splendor. — d http://dinc.freeservers.com Before you buy.

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: hi all new to the group so bare with me. : : can anyone explain why a tattoo would actually peel off? i got this real : celtic tattoo on my ankle about 4 weeks ago, it idi the normal healing, : scabbing etc. over the last couple of days it looked fine. now today it l : like the tattoo itself is about to completely peel off. does anyone know : this would happen. now i am going to have a a nasty looking thing on : and don’t know what to do. any response or help would be greatly http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/tattoo-faq/part1/ Check out the info here before it peels away your whole leg… — skyelass "Tolerate me, goddammit!" — rab, Meghan 06/00

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi all new to the group so bare with me. can anyone explain why a tattoo would actually peel off? i got this really cool celtic tattoo on my ankle about 4 weeks ago, it idi the normal healing, scabbing etc. over the last couple of days it looked fine. now today it looks like the tattoo itself is about to completely peel off. does anyone know why this would happen. now i am going to have a a nasty looking thing on my ankle and don’t know what to do. any response or help would be greatly appreciated. Some of the ink will bleed out into the scab but rest assured, there is still plenty of ink under your epidermis. Once the scab is gone your tattoo will still be there in all its’ glory and splendor.

yes, but… 4 WEEKS???? may I ask what the "healing" process was? what the hell did you do to it? no offense. —Angie a.k.a. D-Strss

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Has anyone ever used this stuff/ I was looking on BME and saw it there. It says you can use for numbing. I am extensively tattooed and have never used anything before but I am moving down to the ribs and was looking for something to take the edge off.

I got a couple of tubes about a year back, my brother and I tried it on each other when we got a sensitive area tattooed, just so we could say we’d tried it I guess. My opinion of it? I got tattooed on my inner arm, beneath my armpit, down to my elbow. It *vaguely* de-sensitized the skin for about 15 or 20 minutes. This stuff needs to be applied with an occlusive bandage to keep it on your skin for an hour or more first, so it’s sort of impractical – i suppose if a customer WANTED to put it on themself and come in to me, i can’t see any reason why it would be a problem for me. It’s a lot of effort for a neglegible difference, for a short time. I used it on a friend’s ribs, when I put an outline of a big piece on it. In this situation it was helpful, because the little bit that it DID help was able to help him sit very still while i moved at a rapid pace through the outline without him flinching. The outline only took about 20 minutes, so the Emla lasted long enough to help with that bit. One side effect that I’ve noticed, the skin blanches white in the area that’s affected by the Emla, and ‘puffs up’ just a little – i guess if it were a really detailed piece, it could influence the final product, but most likely not. This goes away within the span of the creme’s usefullness, like in 20 minutes or so. I’m at home now, so i can’t look on the tube, but it’s just something like lydacain and zylacain or something, two -cain’s, 5% by volume – isn’t there a nurse who’s in RAB? Maybe someone who knows a little more about medicine could explain the side effects on the skin I’m talking about and WHY? Soooo.. to sum it up, my review on Emla is: Tried it, didn’t think it was worth the hassle. regards, Cat — http://www.catbones.com/ http://www.wavecomputers.net/~catbones/ http://www.acid.org/

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http://www.bmezine.com/store/tools/emlainfo.html

ch-ching, bookmarked, thanks Shannon. =] Gosh, you got everything archived on BME anymore, don’t you? regards, Cat — http://www.catbones.com/ http://www.wavecomputers.net/~catbones/ http://www.acid.org/

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Has anyone ever used this stuff/ I was looking on BME and saw it there. It says you can use for numbing. I am extensively tattooed and have never used anything before but I am moving down to the ribs and was looking for something to take the edge off.

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Has anyone ever used this stuff/ I was looking on BME and saw it there. It says you can use for numbing. I am extensively tattooed and have never used anything before but I am moving down to the ribs and was looking for something to take the edge off. This stuff needs to be applied with an occlusive bandage to keep it on

Application is absolutely essential. With proper application, you can expect between 20 and 40 minutes of feeling absolutely nothing, and then many people actually feel the tattooing hurts WORSE if it continues. So… good for small pieces, but don’t use it for anything else. As far as it affecting detail, etc. that should not be a problem. I’m at home now, so i can’t look on the tube, but it’s just something like lydacain and zylacain or something, two -cain’s, 5% by volume –

Lidocaine + prilocaine isn’t there a nurse who’s in RAB? Maybe someone who knows a little more about medicine could explain the side effects on the skin I’m talking about and WHY?

http://www.bmezine.com/store/tools/emlainfo.html That’s basically verbatim off the sheet that comes in the package. Soooo.. to sum it up, my review on Emla is: Tried it, didn’t think it was worth the hassle.

For tattoos and piercings at a studio, I’d agree 100%. For self-piercing, I think it’s very helpful. For subincision and similar procedures, I think it’s almost essential. A tiny dab makes inserting sounds and princes wands very easy for beginners.         Shannon — BME: Body Modification Ezine: http://www.bmezine.com/ Shannon’s Webcam: http://www.bmeworld.com/shannon/cam.html

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http://www.bmezine.com/store/tools/emlainfo.html ch-ching, bookmarked, thanks Shannon. =] Gosh, you got everything archived on BME anymore, don’t you?

In time we will!         Shannon — BME: Body Modification Ezine: http://www.bmezine.com/ Shannon’s Webcam: http://www.bmeworld.com/shannon/cam.html

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C I got tattooed on my inner arm, beneath my armpit, down to my elbow. C It *vaguely* de-sensitized the skin for about 15 or 20 minutes.         meanwhile, it numbed my back to about 90% of completely dead. there were side-effects. i did a huge write-up on my experience with EMLA a while back; search deja.com for it. lish 31.6% / 24

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C I got tattooed on my inner arm, beneath my armpit, down to my elbow. C It *vaguely* de-sensitized the skin for about 15 or 20 minutes. meanwhile, it numbed my back to about 90% of completely dead. there were side-effects. i did a huge write-up on my experience with EMLA a while back; search deja.com for it.

Something tells me you really didn’t need it either – you’re tough. I’ve never used it, and while there were areas that were not in any way a wonderful feeling (and the back can’t even compare with the front of the torso for having areas like that), the pain is transitory, after all. Trevor doesn’t like it and won’t use it. I think it makes skin feel "wrong" to him.     Susan     http://scamptattoo.com

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Has anyone ever used this stuff/ I was looking on BME and saw it there. It says you can use for numbing. I am extensively tattooed and have never used anything before but I am moving down to the ribs and was looking for something to take the edge off.

As others in this thread have said, it has to have been applied for a while and then it stops working. Also, a lot of artists just don’t like using it, both for the physical aspects and possible effects on the final piece, and possibly because deep down, they think that a tattoo has to be earned with the pain. When I got my first (and only, so far) piece, I was under the needle for about 4 1/2 hours, not counting breaks and stuff. After about 3 of those hours, the endorphins were gone, and I was weeping. I was trying to be tough about it, and I would have stuck it out regardless, but my boyfriend and the tattooist both had issues about me crying. I didn’t want to have half a tattoo for however long it would take to get my ass back to Chicago, so Patrick tried this stuff called "Zap". He said he didn’t like the idea of using it, and never had before, but he followed the directions and used it for me because he’s a terrific guy. It had to be applied every 15-20 minutes, or the pain was back, and by comparison to the relief of the Zap, it was worse. The thing that makes it superior to Emla is that it only has to stay on for like 5 minutes before work can resume. My recommendation is to go as long as you can on what your endorphins will take care of for you… but if you hit your breaking point, use Zap. The rest of my experience and some more details about Zap are at http://www.ladyj.net/newtat/ HTH. Jess

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the final piece, and possibly because deep down, they think that a tattoo has to be earned with the pain.

NO WAY! That’s a barbaric thought, to me. If I could tattoo painlessly, I would. I try NOT to make a tattoo hurt anymore than it has to. Don’t you think such cruel thoughts!  ;) regards, Cat — http://www.catbones.com/ http://www.wavecomputers.net/~catbones/ http://www.acid.org/

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One side effect that I’ve noticed, the skin blanches white in the area that’s affected by the Emla, and ‘puffs up’ just a little – i guess if it were a really detailed piece, it could influence the final product, but most likely not. This goes away within the span of the creme’s usefullness, like in 20 minutes or so.

*This is true, the gain is 20 minutes less pain. Then the effect is more on the surface. I have no tattoo experience but it doesn’t sound good on the results as it effects the skin texture for a while. Corine

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I am extensively tattooed and have never used anything before but I am moving down to the ribs and was looking for something to take the edge off.

Emla cream is not the way to go, it does not make for long term numbing and when it starts to wear off (from what I hear, at least) the tattooing hurts more than it would have without using the EMLA cream.. Sean

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Has anyone ever used this stuff/ I was looking on BME and saw it there. It says you can use for numbing. I am extensively tattooed and have never used anything before but I am moving down to the ribs and was looking for something to take the edge off.

Tell ya what, don’t be a wuss! Ribs aren’t nearly as bad as upper abdomen, near the ribs. I’ve been tattooed both places, and I can tell you this much: You’ll survive.     Susan     http://scamptattoo.com

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Tell ya what, don’t be a wuss! Ribs aren’t nearly as bad as upper abdomen, near the ribs. I’ve been tattooed both places, and I can tell you this much: You’ll survive.

but if get the urge for some real fun – try your nose – especialy the tip and rims of the nostrils.  Mine are peeling and flaking nicely right now Erik Sprague a.k.a. The Lizardman Now appearing with the Jim Rose Circus http://members.aol.com/spidergod5/index.html

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I am extensively tattooed and have never used anything before but I am moving down to the ribs and was looking for something to take the edge off. Emla cream is not the way to go, it does not make for long term numbing and when it starts to wear off (from what I hear, at least) the tattooing hurts more than it would have without using the EMLA cream..

I’ve been taking anti-inflammatories before a rough appointment. (Yes, I know about the blood thinning effects of NSAIDS, it hasn’t made any difference that my artist or I can tell as far as bleeding goes.) And it *definately* takes the edge off armpit-stuff. Can’t comment on rib stuff, I don’t have any. Dana

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But he is an awesome artist (one of the 10 best in the world according toTattoo) so itis worth it.

Awesome, what sort of work are you getting, i mean the style you’re covering that space with? Sounds like you’re doing it right, working with one artist for the whole project, and a world clss one – what’s his name? Maybe we’ve heard of him! regards, Cat —    ’

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I found this and had a chuckle… HOW DO YOU MAKE A TATTOO GUN OUT OF HOUSEHOLD PRODUTS OR ANYTHING??       JEFF Anyone we know? JayC — Jay 17. Strangers Have The Best Candy.     – Childrens books that didn’t get published

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I found this and had a chuckle… HOW DO YOU MAKE A TATTOO GUN OUT OF HOUSEHOLD PRODUTS OR ANYTHING??

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Attention all ye trolls, lurkers, and WebTV users! As well as anyone else who just arrived. RAB (which is where you are) is a right friendly place a lot of the time. RAB is a right hostile place a lot of the time. Contradiction? Nay! Ask ye one of the Top Ten Forbidden Questions (listed in order of when I remembered them) and you shall discover the hostile side of RAB… 1. I’m twelve years old and I want a tatoo RIGHT NOW. Where can I go to get it done? 2. I’m 14 years old and no one will pearce my tounge because they say I’m too young. What the fuck is up with that? (Spelling Nazis: hold your fire on the typos, I did ‘em on purpose.) 3. Does it hurt? 4. (Fill in your favorite celebrity) has the kewlest tattoo, where can I get one just like it? 5. My percer said to clean my new nipple pearcing with liquid soap a couple times a day and soak it in saltwater every day, but I knew he was an idiot and decided to clean it five times a day with rubbing alcohol. Now it hurts really really bad especially when I clean it. What am I doing wrong? 6. I want a tattoo of a Harley logo. I don’t know where to find one, so 7. Why haven’t you e-mailed me those Harley logos yet? 8. Why are you being so mean to me? I thought this was a friendly place! 9. I want to do tattoos, but the local tattoo artist wouldn’t apprentice me. He said it was because I couldn’t draw Sparky the Pirate when he asked me to. I don’t want to tattoo Sparky the Pirates, so what does that matter? Anyway, because he’s an asshole I have to teach myself to tattoo, so where can I buy a tattoo gun? 10. you guys say your into bodyart but your not cause you wont tell me where i can go get a kewl tatoo without my mom knowing about it im fifteen and its my body what the fuck does she have the right telling me i can’t get a tatoo? Weird alternate question for you regulars: How come it seems that all the posts we get from minors wanting to be tattooed without their parents knowing are from girls? — –jmowreader http://www.macsalon.org Unsubscribing Instructions: http://www.macsalon.org/howtos/unsub.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Attention all ye trolls, lurkers, and WebTV users! As well as anyone else who just arrived. RAB (which is where you are) is a right friendly place a lot of the time. RAB is a right hostile place a lot of the time. Contradiction? Nay! Ask ye one of the Top Ten Forbidden Questions (listed in order of when I remembered them) and you shall discover the hostile side of RAB… 1. I’m twelve years old and I want a tatoo RIGHT NOW. Where can I go to get it done? 2. I’m 14 years old and no one will pearce my tounge because they say I’m too young. What the fuck is up with that? (Spelling Nazis: hold your fire on the typos, I did ‘em on purpose.) 3. Does it hurt? 4. (Fill in your favorite celebrity) has the kewlest tattoo, where can I get one just like it? 5. My percer said to clean my new nipple pearcing with liquid soap a couple times a day and soak it in saltwater every day, but I knew he was an idiot and decided to clean it five times a day with rubbing alcohol. Now it hurts really really bad especially when I clean it. What am I doing wrong? 6. I want a tattoo of a Harley logo. I don’t know where to find one, so 7. Why haven’t you e-mailed me those Harley logos yet? 8. Why are you being so mean to me? I thought this was a friendly place! 9. I want to do tattoos, but the local tattoo artist wouldn’t apprentice me. He said it was because I couldn’t draw Sparky the Pirate when he asked me to. I don’t want to tattoo Sparky the Pirates, so what does that matter? Anyway, because he’s an asshole I have to teach myself to tattoo, so where can I buy a tattoo gun? 10. you guys say your into bodyart but your not cause you wont tell me where i can go get a kewl tatoo without my mom knowing about it im fifteen and its my body what the fuck does she have the right telling me i can’t get a tatoo? Weird alternate question for you regulars: How come it seems that all the posts we get from minors wanting to be tattooed without their parents knowing are from girls? — –jmowreader

LOL…kewl, most of those things LOL we’ve seen LOL in the last coupla LOL weeks, right? LOL

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Attention all ye trolls, lurkers, and WebTV users! As well as anyone else who just arrived. RAB (which is where you are) is a right friendly place a lot of the time. RAB is a right hostile place a lot of the time. Contradiction? Nay! Ask ye one of the Top Ten Forbidden Questions (listed in order of when I remembered them) and you shall discover the hostile side of RAB… 1. I’m twelve years old and I want a tatoo RIGHT NOW. Where can I go to get it done? 2. I’m 14 years old and no one will pearce my tounge because they say I’m too young. What the fuck is up with that? (Spelling Nazis: hold your fire on the typos, I did ‘em on purpose.) 3. Does it hurt? 4. (Fill in your favorite celebrity) has the kewlest tattoo, where can I get one just like it? 5. My percer said to clean my new nipple pearcing with liquid soap a couple times a day and soak it in saltwater every day, but I knew he was an idiot and decided to clean it five times a day with rubbing alcohol. Now it hurts really really bad especially when I clean it. What am I doing wrong? 6. I want a tattoo of a Harley logo. I don’t know where to find one, so 7. Why haven’t you e-mailed me those Harley logos yet? 8. Why are you being so mean to me? I thought this was a friendly place! 9. I want to do tattoos, but the local tattoo artist wouldn’t apprentice me. He said it was because I couldn’t draw Sparky the Pirate when he asked me to. I don’t want to tattoo Sparky the Pirates, so what does that matter? Anyway, because he’s an asshole I have to teach myself to tattoo, so where can I buy a tattoo gun? 10. you guys say your into bodyart but your not cause you wont tell me where i can go get a kewl tatoo without my mom knowing about it im fifteen and its my body what the fuck does she have the right telling me i can’t get a tatoo? Weird alternate question for you regulars: How come it seems that all the posts we get from minors wanting to be tattooed without their parents knowing are from girls? — –jmowreader http://www.macsalon.org Unsubscribing Instructions: http://www.macsalon.org/howtos/unsub.html

wow, you seem very knowledgable… can you tell me if girls can have subincisions, or is that just for boys? micehell living in andersonville, the strange side of normal… Before you buy.

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Add in: 11) learn to trim your posts — Barry-

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Weird alternate question for you regulars: How come it seems that all the posts we get from minors wanting to be tattooed without their parents knowing are from girls?

Correction. They are from teenybopper girls. Toughie girls and boys tend to do the needle and india ink thang, or find plans to make a tattoo machine and do it on themselves or have their friends do it. Girlies want pretty butterflies and know they couldn’t pull it off themselves. Boys think they can do their skulls and daggers themselves. Jess

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Weird alternate question for you regulars: How come it seems that all the posts we get from minors wanting to be tattooed without their parents knowing are from girls? Correction. They are from teenybopper girls. Toughie girls and boys tend to do the needle and india ink thang, or find plans to make a tattoo machine and do it on themselves or have their friends do it. Girlies want pretty butterflies and know they couldn’t pull it off themselves. Boys think they can do their skulls and daggers themselves. Jess

Since I believe most of these are trolls, and I believe most trolls are men, I have to wonder why they choose to be pubescent girls in this strange little fantasy world. Makes me wonder. Kavin

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Barry1 adds: 11) learn to trim your posts

That’s a question? — –jmowreader http://www.macsalon.org Unsubscribing Instructions: http://www.macsalon.org/howtos/unsub.html

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11) learn to trim your posts?

Yeah. — Barry- 10207WU/16.88yrs www.anatometal.com

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Since I believe most of these are trolls, and I believe most trolls are men, I have to wonder why they choose to be pubescent girls in this strange little fantasy world.

What?!?!? Sara is a MAN! Makes me wonder.

Me too.

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