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A who you dont even know. Do you have no manners? If I really felt like A it I would call this verbal assult and even though you are on the A internet you can still be charged with it.    pfffffhaahahahha YES, DO CALL HER ON IT.

i think the last time someone tried to do that, the folks at abuse had a good laugh.    better watch out, judy. you’re going to be CHARGED with BEING A

oh nooooooooooooo — Ideally giving credence to her hesitant subtext since 2002!

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I dont think I will ever visit this newsgroup again. good-bye.

Oh d-d-d-d-dear! Lynn Missouri

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Can you not READ, or are you just a stubborn bitch? Umm, excuse me? You dont need to be bitchy. I am just asking for some websites which have pictures of tattoos.. and yes I mentioned what I wanted to get, and no I did not ask for your bitching. I got your answers be4, I accidently sent it twice, when I first posted…. I do

bullshit. you posted this on April 16, and then again on April 26. don’t even try to tell me thats an accidental repost. plan on doing what people told me to do, but I am just looking for some websites with pictures of tattoos. You know, to get some ideas…

yeah, we know. want me to make this clearer? why are you looking for websites with pictures of tattoos? with a good artist, you can get ANYTHING tattooed on you. just because someone has never gotten it done before, or just because the picture isnt  on the ‘net doesnt mean it cant be done. which is why we’ve told you more than once to just go to a tattoo shop and have them draw what you want. its. not. that. complicated. I find it quite funny that someone like yourself (even though I dont know you) would bring up such a petty little thing and inslut someone

you know, i bet youd get a little ticked if someone asked you a question, and you answered it. and then they asked it again, and you answered it. and then they asked it again. who you dont even know. Do you have no manners? If I really felt like it I would call this verbal assult and even though you are on the internet you can still be charged with it.

try it. i bet you cant even get me TOS’ed. I dont think I will ever visit this newsgroup again. good-bye.

i dont believe you. — Ideally giving credence to her hesitant subtext since 2002!

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I am maily looking for a picture of a crecent moon with angel wings attached to it. If anyone can send me a website that can help me find what I am looking for that would be great.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&safe=off&q=… ttoo Now, if you want this on your body, do this: 1.Find the location of a good, reputable tattoo shop near you. 2. Find transportation to the shop. 3. Go there. 4. Ask to see their portfolio. 5. Browse their portfolio. 6. If you like what you see, continue. Otherwise, find another nearby reputable shop, and return to step 2. 7. Tell the person behind the counter, "I would like to get a tattoo of a crescent moon with angel wings. Can you draw something like that for me?" They will draw it. When they are done, if you like it, they will tattoo it upon you. HTH. — FrinkLemur http://iam.bmezine.com/?FrinkLemur

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A who you dont even know. Do you have no manners? If I really felt like A it I would call this verbal assult and even though you are on the A internet you can still be charged with it.         pfffffhaahahahha YES, DO CALL HER ON IT.         better watch out, judy. you’re going to be CHARGED with BEING A lish                                  "FUCK THE COWARDS / FUCK THE WEAK 36.6% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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Umm, excuse me? You dont need to be bitchy. I am just asking for some websites which have pictures of tattoos..

*** Try Yahoo. Google… I did not ask for your bitching.

*** No charge. I got your answers be4,

*** 2Kewl! I find it quite funny that someone like yourself (even though I dont know you) would bring up such a petty little thing and inslut someone who you dont even know.

*** GREAT typo. Do you have no manners?

*** "Have you no manners?" is the way to say it. If I really felt like it I would call this verbal assult and even though you are on the internet you can still be charged with it.

*** Really? Try it. You should see what that person REALLY said about you on the secret group. Email me and I’ll send you the quote. I’d sue. Definitely. I dont think I will ever visit this newsgroup again. good-bye.

*** AND STAY OUT! — k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9 — e n d . t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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I dont think I will ever visit this newsgroup again. good-bye.

Yeah, you will—-again again and again……it’s addicting. P.

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I dont think I will ever visit this newsgroup again. good-bye.

And I weep at the loss. — Curt, hippy dippy "don’t-let-the-door-hit-you…" boy

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I dont think I will ever visit this newsgroup again. good-bye. And I weep at the loss. — Curt, hippy dippy "don’t-let-the-door-hit-you…" boy

Somehow I thought you would P.

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Can you not READ, or are you just a stubborn bitch?

Umm, excuse me? You dont need to be bitchy. I am just asking for some websites which have pictures of tattoos.. and yes I mentioned what I wanted to get, and no I did not ask for your bitching. I got your answers be4, I accidently sent it twice, when I first posted…. I do plan on doing what people told me to do, but I am just looking for some websites with pictures of tattoos. You know, to get some ideas… I find it quite funny that someone like yourself (even though I dont know you) would bring up such a petty little thing and inslut someone who you dont even know. Do you have no manners? If I really felt like it I would call this verbal assult and even though you are on the internet you can still be charged with it. I dont think I will ever visit this newsgroup again. good-bye.

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aidanchick asked *repeatedly*… I am maily looking for a picture of a crecent moon with angel wings attached to it. Persistent… or stupid. I’m going with the latter. g "I wanted to have an abortion, but you were already in college."

you for got—–the dreaded TROLL……. P.

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GK Persistent… GK or stupid. GK I’m going with the latter.         that’s my boy. lish                         "are you a believer? well, i’m a deceiver. 36.6% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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aidanchick asked *repeatedly*… I am maily looking for a picture of a crecent moon with angel wings attached to it.

Persistent… or stupid. I’m going with the latter. g "I wanted to have an abortion, but you were already in college."

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I’m looking for some good websites with pictures of tattoo ideas. Can anyone help me by telling me some URL’s? I am looking for something more cartoonie than serious tribal type designs. I am maily looking for a picture of a crecent moon with angel wings attached to it. If anyone can send me a website that can help me find what I am looking for that would be great. Aidan Richmond B.C. Canada

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I’m looking for some good websites with pictures of tattoo ideas. Can anyone help me by telling me some URL’s? I am looking for something more cartoonie than serious tribal type designs. I am maily looking for a picture of a crecent moon with angel wings attached to it. If anyone can send me a website that can help me find what I am looking for that would be great.

You god damned idiot. This is the THIRD TIME you’ve posted this (April 16 & April 26 were the other times, according to Google Groups). BOTH TIMES people responded with suggestions, mostly consisting of: 1. Go into tattoo shop 2. Ask them to draw crescent moon with wings If no one can draw what you want, repeat steps 1-2 in another shop. Can you not READ, or are you just a stubborn bitch? — Ideally giving credence to her hesitant subtext since 2002!

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Can you not READ, or are you just a stubborn bitch?

*You one mean bitchy l3zbone to expect people to actually to some kind of effort in order to get what thwey want?!#$% Corine — "People do not lack strength; they lack will." Victor Hugo

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Jill Marsh had a great idea that worked fantastic for me. I went to the Chinese multicultural centre downtown, paid $20 for my phrase to be translated, and it was written out in a very nice style.

This is what I get for my annual nicey-nice post. I truly hope that the translation you received reflects your charming social skills. nj"saintly, I am"m "In ‘39, when the bugles blew,  I went right out in October and  breathed the clean fresh air of  war for a few years."

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PS-It’s RAY not ROY you fucking idiot. I know it is – it is a sign of my disdain for him. I took the matter to email privately, but Roy-boy decided to post my email to the group. So tough shit for him, you, and everyone else. I can to this group looking for the help of fellow people that enjoy tat’s. In reply I get Ray telling me basically to fuck off and do it myself.

WWWWAAAAAAHHH!!!!  I CAME TO RAB BECAUSE I HEARD YALL KNOW ALOT ABOUT TATS! I CANT BELIEVE HOW MEAN YOU ARE!  YOU ASSHOLES!  ALL PEOPLE WHO ENJOY TATS SHOULD BE A BIG LOVING BROTHERLY AND SISTERLY FAMILY OF FREAKS CAUSE THE WORLD IS AGAINST US ANYHOW AND I LOVE THE RED HOT CHILIPEPPERS SHUT UP THEY ROCK YOU ASSHOLES I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU. As I posted in earlier, I tried the search engine method, without success.

WWWWWWWAAAAAAHHHHH IM A MORON!!!  DO MY THINKING FOR ME!! CANADA PUBLIC SCHOOLS SUCK!!! You can not just take the characters for this word and that word and pop them into a sentence, and have it make sense.

WAAAAAAHHHHH I KNOW JUST ENOUGH ABOUT CHINESE TO KNOW THAT TRANSLATION ISNT EXACTLY CLEAN AND PRECISE EVERY TIME BUT NOT ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT CHINESE TATS ARE FUCKING STUPID AND EVERYONES GOING TO LAUGH AT ME!!! English to chinese on-line translators can not do that. I know Ray has claimed that he found a site to do that, but he has not posted the URL, even though he replied to my message, so I am going to assume, probably correctly, that he was making it up.

Make sure to post a url of the finished product so we can all have a good giggle. —–. — Theres a hole in the world like a great black pit and its filled with people who are filled with shit and it goes by the name of London

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Isn’t that from the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan? Wouldn’t it

You are very correct about it’s origin. I don’t think Matt has mumbled it yet at this point, and I like the formality that the Chinese characters represent to me. — Cracked22 www.cracked22.com ICQ – 29821785

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Cc Question (since you seem to enjoy them): why is your mom so loose dude?         "my mother is DEAD."         "i guess that’s why she didn’t move around much." lish 35.1% / 28

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Isn’t that from the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan? Wouldn’t it You are very correct about it’s origin. I don’t think Matt has mumbled it yet at this point, and I like the formality that the Chinese characters represent to me.

Well, I have to agree with the idea that someone put forth that it’s not very dutiful to expect others to do your research for you and to treat everyone like crap in an environment where you’re the newcomer. If the phrase means that much to you, think of the character of Lan and realize that he would not behave anything like the way you have. Not even Rand would have behaved like you did. In any event, that’s one of those tattoo ideas that sounds really great when you think it up and one day strikes you as one of the dumbest things you’ve ever conceived. But that’s just my opinion. Still, the idea of doing it in the Old Tongue is much much better than Chinese. Maybe you could write a letter to Robert Jordan and ask him to translate it for your dumbass tattoo. Jess — "One stick can’t burn, two sticks won’t burn, three sticks might burn, four sticks will burn, and five sticks make a nice fire." – Gail Smith LadyJ is available at www.ladyj.net and fine stores everywhere.

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Are you planning on EVER posting here again?  Your skin is More than likely not since I have gotten the infomation that I need from 1 individual, Jill Marsh.

Yes, so please shut up and go away.   nj"more helpful advice"m "In ‘39, when the bugles blew,  I went right out in October and  breathed the clean fresh air of  war for a few years."

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Jill Marsh had a great idea that worked fantastic for me. I went to the Chinese multicultural centre downtown, paid $20 for my phrase to be translated, and it was written out in a very nice style.

I will be so happy to learn what your characters ended up meaning: Little weenie boy smells like shit. You deserve it. Kavin

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Little weenie boy smells like shit.

I showered today so I don’t stink!!! na na na!!! — Cracked22 www.cracked22.com ICQ – 29821785

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tell ya what Ray-boy. You find this phrase on the net, obvious man-hood. the phrase is – Death is lighter than a feather, duty heavier than a mountain.

Isn’t that from the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan? Wouldn’t it be better to get that translated into the Old Tongue than into Chinese? Jess — "As easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841." – unknown LadyJ is available at www.ladyj.net and fine stores everywhere.

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[posted and mailed] She’ll be glad to know that, I suppose you could borrow a shovel.

Am I supposed to feel sad now? Sure ya did – post the link and prove your mightiness. I dare ya Roy-boy. there is that name again, and no, no easy time for you, as was mentioned before

Bwahahhahahaa…come on Roy-boy….post the link and shut me up. If you read my other post, you will know that I have what I need, and have no further need of your mightiness. Although I am thinking of staying around as the resident troll just to piss you off. ROFL…fuck your dumb. You spelled search wrong in the ‘link’ you moron!!!!… um did you mean "fuck you’re dumb" perhaps?? just a little ironic don’t you think?

Actually it is….funny that. As for acting stupid, perhaps that is true. But at least I can spell when it counts. read the above portion again for comprehension

So I’m a dork sometime….better than being a dork all the time. — Cracked22 www.cracked22.com ICQ – 29821785

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Are you planning on EVER posting here again?  Your skin is

More than likely not since I have gotten the infomation that I need from 1 individual, Jill Marsh. — Cracked22 www.cracked22.com ICQ – 29821785

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<SNIP entire moronic post about "Roy-Boy" Please please stop posting. You are making the rest of the people from Alberta and Canada look bad. That is all. Jayc PS-It’s RAY not ROY you fucking idiot.

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<snip a huge amount of garbage Are you planning on EVER posting here again?  Your skin is WAY too thin, and you are WAY to clueless. And the whole ‘i’m fucking your mom’ insult is about 13 going on 10, and is really a MAJOR sign that you are not ready for social interaction. Sheeesh. TQ

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i am looking for the same thing you were …a translation…to avoid the messages like you were receiving i thought i would just ask you personally…where did yu find it? i have something i want put into chinese…and if you could help me in any way i would really appreciate

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[posted and mailed] mm1.aol.com: i am looking for the same thing you were …a translation…to avoid the

Jill Marsh had a great idea that worked fantastic for me. I went to the Chinese multicultural centre downtown, paid $20 for my phrase to be translated, and it was written out in a very nice style. — Cracked22 www.cracked22.com ICQ – 29821785

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PS-It’s RAY not ROY you fucking idiot.

I know it is – it is a sign of my disdain for him. I took the matter to email privately, but Roy-boy decided to post my email to the group. So tough shit for him, you, and everyone else. I can to this group looking for the help of fellow people that enjoy tat’s. In reply I get Ray telling me basically to fuck off and do it myself. As I posted in earlier, I tried the search engine method, without success. You can not just take the characters for this word and that word and pop them into a sentence, and have it make sense. English to chinese on-line translators can not do that. I know Ray has claimed that he found a site to do that, but he has not posted the URL, even though he replied to my message, so I am going to assume, probably correctly, that he was making it up. — Cracked22 www.cracked22.com ICQ – 29821785

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– TATTOO=stained glass on my soul Contact me for your shop insurance needs http://home.att.net/~tat-ins/ Cracked22.com < Is it that time of the month Roy-boy? Don’t I feel special. Normal I don’t fuck whores, but for your mom, I’ll make an exception.

She’ll be glad to know that, I suppose you could borrow a shovel. Sure ya did – post the link and prove your mightiness. I dare ya Roy-boy.

there is that name again, and no, no easy time for you, as was mentioned before [buttcrack wrote] the phrase is – Death is lighter than a feather, duty heavier than a mountain. That’s, like, the duty of doing one’s own research?

sure sounds noble, but you kind of lose the effect with your insults to a dead woman. not to mention that you sound like you’re( notice YOU’RE is spelled correctly) about 12 years old, you "dare" me, how fucking childish can you be? ROFL…fuck your dumb. You spelled search wrong in the ‘link’ you moron!!!!…

um did you mean "fuck you’re dumb" perhaps?? just a little ironic don’t you think?  As for acting stupid, perhaps that is true. But at least I can spell when it counts.

read the above portion again for comprehension Don’t bother replying plonked – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [posted and mailed] You are a fucking weenie, take your e-mail and shove them up your ass. I Is it that time of the month Roy-boy? Fuck dude – take a pill and relax a bit. You’re going to blow a vein if you keep this up. generally don’t re-post e-mail but in you case I’ll make the exception. Don’t I feel special. Normal I don’t fuck whores, but for your mom, I’ll make an exception. BTW i did run your entire phrase and got it translated. but I guess I’m just too stupid to do it right Sure ya did – post the link and prove your mightiness. I dare ya Roy-boy. I’ll spell it out for you go to  www.yourfavoriteseardhengine.com  type in Ok – I’m going to laugh my balls off now. I guess you can’t even spell it out for me….fucking moron. This "link" would be in the manner of sarcasm, Apparently they don’t teach English in Canada. IDIOT!!! ROFL…fuck your dumb. You spelled search wrong in the ‘link’ you Roy- boy, you are seriously challenged. Did it dickhead, and to answer your question Yes you do "act" like you are Fucking stupid. Again, prove it dude. As for acting stupid, perhaps that is true. But at least I can spell when it counts. Question (since you seem to enjoy them): why is your mom so loose dude? — Cracked22 www.cracked22.com ICQ – 29821785

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Ray Pearson schrieb: [buttcrack wrote] the phrase is – Death is lighter than a feather, duty heavier than a mountain.

That’s, like, the duty of doing one’s own research? Whoa, deeeeeep. Nina — http://chaotropic.net C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur

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[posted and mailed] You are a fucking weenie, take your e-mail and shove them up your ass. I

Is it that time of the month Roy-boy? Fuck dude – take a pill and relax a bit. You’re going to blow a vein if you keep this up. generally don’t re-post e-mail but in you case I’ll make the exception.

Don’t I feel special. Normal I don’t fuck whores, but for your mom, I’ll make an exception. BTW i did run your entire phrase and got it translated. but I guess I’m just too stupid to do it right

Sure ya did – post the link and prove your mightiness. I dare ya Roy-boy. I’ll spell it out for you go to  www.yourfavoriteseardhengine.com  type in Ok – I’m going to laugh my balls off now. I guess you can’t even spell it out for me….fucking moron. This "link" would be in the manner of sarcasm, Apparently they don’t teach English in Canada. IDIOT!!!

ROFL…fuck your dumb. You spelled search wrong in the ‘link’ you boy, you are seriously challenged. Did it dickhead, and to answer your question Yes you do "act" like you are Fucking stupid.

Again, prove it dude. As for acting stupid, perhaps that is true. But at least I can spell when it counts. Question (since you seem to enjoy them): why is your mom so loose dude? — Cracked22 www.cracked22.com ICQ – 29821785

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go to  www.yourfavoriteseardhengine.com  type in English/Chinese dictionary hit enter there you will find any # of sites. Christ doesn’t anyone do any basic research anymore

Actually, I searched google, and went to the top 10 sites for a couple of different searches. The problem is that I need a phrase translated, not just 1 or 2 words. — Cracked22 www.cracked22.com ICQ – 29821785

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If that’s a dead end, post a note at the appropriate student’s centre, I bet you can get several versions of whatever you want done at minimal cost by Chinese speaking/writing students, and pick your favourite.

That’s a good idea – thank you very much. nj"U of C or U of A, I can never remember "m

U of Calgary. U of Alberta is in Edmonton. — Cracked22 www.cracked22.com ICQ – 29821785

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Actually, I searched google, and went to the top 10 sites for a couple of different searches. The problem is that I need a phrase translated, not just 1 or 2 words.

You are a fucking weenie, take your e-mail and shove them up your ass. I generally don’t re-post e-mail but in you case I’ll make the exception. BTW i did run your entire phrase and got it translated. but I guess I’m just too stupid to do it right I’ll spell it out for you go to  www.yourfavoriteseardhengine.com  type in Ok – I’m going to laugh my balls off now. I guess you can’t even spell it out for me….fucking moron.

This "link" would be in the manner of sarcasm, Apparently they don’t teach English in Canada. IDIOT!!! Question: do i look like I’m fucking stupid? tell ya what Ray-boy. You find this phrase on the net, obvious man-hood. the phrase is – Death is lighter than a feather, duty heavier than a mountain. Go for it small-boy.

Did it dickhead, and to answer your question Yes you do "act" like you are Fucking stupid.

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I’m looking for a resource (or someone) to translate an english phrase into Chinese characters for possible use in a back-piece. If you have an idea, please let me know either in group or email. Thanks — Cracked22 www.cracked22.com ICQ – 29821785

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I’m looking for a resource (or someone) to translate an english phrase into Chinese characters for possible use in a back-piece.

Ok I’ll be real nice, it really isn’t difficult, I’ll spell it out for you go to  www.yourfavoriteseardhengine.com  type in English/Chinese  dictionary hit enter there you will find any # of sites. Christ doesn’t anyone do any basic research anymore

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I’m looking for a resource (or someone) to translate an english phrase into Chinese characters for possible use in a back-piece.

Goodness, Calgary isn’t that much of a backwater.  Call either the language or the history department (whatever’s most suitable and/or receptive) and ask them for a referral for professional quality translation and lettering of a phrase.  It’s going on you permanently, pay for something that says what you want it to say, and doesn’t look like a six year old lettered it. If that’s a dead end, post a note at the appropriate student’s centre, I bet you can get several versions of whatever you want done at minimal cost by Chinese speaking/writing students, and pick your favourite. nj"U of C or U of A, I can never remember "m "I just dip the needle into your skin  until I feel it touch the edge of  your soul, then I know I’m there."  -Cat Spencer, in RAB

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Im looking to get my first tattoo but Im not sure what I want.  Where should I look for tattoo samples for good ideas? Bob

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Im looking to get my first tattoo but Im not sure what I want. Where should I look for tattoo samples for good ideas?

you might try a tattoo shop.  i know that seems like a no-brainer, but most people who post here about needing ideas, have no idea that tattoo shops have lots of "flash" on their walls. hth, david — RANA ~34 Why is the alphabet in that order?  Is it because of that song?  –Steven Wright http://www.bmeworld.com/myneedle

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I’m exactly the opposite, I know exactly what I want but am unsure where to get it (well duh, I know I should go to a tattoo artist… just not which one) Surf around online, there are tons of websites where you can see other peoples’ tattoos, just don’t copy them. Use them to get ideas for your own, then you’ll have at least an idea what you want before finding the artist you want to work on you.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Im looking to get my first tattoo but Im not sure what I want.  Where should I look for tattoo samples for good ideas? Bob

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NotBobVilla sends: Im looking to get my first tattoo but Im not sure what I want.  Where should I look for tattoo samples for good ideas?

Have you gone to a tattoo studio? Browsing’s fine at most of them. — –jmowreader http://www.macsalon.org Unsubscribing Instructions: http://www.macsalon.org/howtos/unsub.html

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Im looking to get my first tattoo but Im not sure what I want.

I’m curious: how many of you out there have felt this way, knowing that you wanted a tattoo but not sure of what? How many of you have wanted to get pierced but only decided on where later? My answers: Ever since I was a child I’ve drawn on myself, a lot (100 markers for $16 is bliss, I tell you).  For me, it’s more a matter of choosing amongst various ideas I have and of fleshing them out, as some are quite nebulous.  I’ve not yet had the experience of wanting a tattoo and hunting for a design that speaks to me. It’s similar for me with piercing, too: I only feel the urge to be pierced again after an idea for placement comes to mind. myrrh (strike strike.)

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Im looking to get my first tattoo but Im not sure what I want. I’m curious: how many of you out there have felt this way, knowing that you wanted a tattoo but not sure of what?

*raises hand* It was like that with my first tattoo. But I didn’t actively search, I just decided to just sit it out and let the idea come to me after I’d looked through all the flash catalogues plus many artist portfolios at conventions. And it did.. Nowadays, I can’t decide on which idea is going to get done next . How many of you have wanted to get pierced but only decided on where later?

Not me. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://chaotropic.net

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<snip I’m curious: how many of you out there have felt this way, knowing that you wanted a tattoo but not sure of what? How many of you have wanted to get pierced but only decided on where later?

<snip    With my first tattoo, I knew I wanted a tattoo on my lower back but didn’t have a design in mind intitally. With subsequent tattoos, I generally knew what design I wanted and where to place it at the same time. As for future tattoos, I have some space I’d like to fill in on my upper arm but I want designs to work with what I already have. I’m still not sure what I’ll eventually get but I have a general idea. For other parts of my body, I have the designs and placement but no money to follow through on them yet.    As for piercings, almost all of them came about with some planning. I think my septum piercing was the only exception.  Christine

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Im looking to get my first tattoo but Im not sure what I want.

OK, that poll is up and running at http://www.bmezine.com/         Shannon — BME: Body Modification Ezine: http://www.bmezine.com/ Shannon’s Webcam: http://www.bmeworld.com/shannon/cam.html

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m I’m curious: how many of you out there have felt this way, knowing m that you wanted a tattoo but not sure of what? How many of you m have wanted to get pierced but only decided on where later?         i have tattoo ideas out the wazoo, & usually an appropriate placement comes to mind scant seconds later. i seem to reserve these chunks of skin for years & nothing else fitting them will come to mind. that’s most of the reason i have so much work at a fairly young age – there just isn’t anything else i want in those areas, so may as well have it done & get it over with. (i’m the type that enjoys having, not getting, work.)         piercings, however, are the reverse. i often get the urge to have a piercing performed, or to have "something to care for". it doesn’t matter what. when this happens, however, i specifically DON’T get pierced until the feeling goes away & i can think directly on aesthetics & such without the "i want it" feeling crowding me. lish 31.6% / 24

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I’m curious: how many of you out there have felt this way, knowing that you wanted a tattoo but not sure of what?

I’m going through that now, actually. I know I want a tattoo, I know WHERE I want it, but I don’t know what I want it to be. How many of you have wanted to get pierced but only decided on where later?

Nope, for my piercings, it’s just a question of money, and trying to decide which one to do next. Adam

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Im looking to get my first tattoo but Im not sure what I want. I’m curious: how many of you out there have felt this way, knowing that you wanted a tattoo but not sure of what? How many of you have wanted to get pierced but only decided on where later?

I liked the idea of having a tattoo before I ever got one, but I wasn’t really saying to myself "Damn!  I need a tattoo, now if I only had a design".  I just thought that if I ever found an image that captivated me enough to want to look at it every day I’d get it tattoo’d on my body. Michelle Before you buy.

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Im looking to get my first tattoo but Im not sure what I want. I’m curious: how many of you out there have felt this way, knowing that you wanted a tattoo but not sure of what? How many of you have wanted to get pierced but only decided on where later?

i was 28 when i decided i wanted a tattoo… i am an instant gratification type of girl so i had to get that one pretty much immediately… i ended up going to a reputable artist, old school, and had a piece of flash put onto my shoulder… without much thought or regard… i recently had that one covered with something i really like… i am much more careful about my selections now… still, when i get that need… i gotta have it… — micehell www.andersonville.strangesideofnormal.com Before you buy.

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David RL Gartner sends: you might try a tattoo shop.  i know that seems like a no-brainer, but most people who post here about needing ideas, have no idea that tattoo shops have lots of "flash" on their walls.

I saw a neat thing in a tattoo shop this evening…went to get some new jewelry and there it was. Clayton’s in Fayettenam has bought some of those poster-display racks where the posters are displayed in hinged panels and put some of their flash in those. The only real problem with flash is that bodyart newbies see it and think, "this is all I can get." — –jmowreader http://www.macsalon.org Unsubscribing Instructions: http://www.macsalon.org/howtos/unsub.html

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<snip I saw a neat thing in a tattoo shop this evening…went to get some new jewelry and there it was. Clayton’s in Fayettenam has bought some of those poster-display racks where the posters are displayed in hinged panels and put some of their flash in those.

Wow, that sure is cutting-edge. — pacts to reply via email, don’t.

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pacts sends: <snip I saw a neat thing in a tattoo shop this evening…went to get some new jewelry and there it was. Clayton’s in Fayettenam has bought some of those poster-display racks where the posters are displayed in hinged panels and put some of their flash in those. Wow, that sure is cutting-edge.

True, it is kinda boring, but what the hell. — –jmowreader http://www.macsalon.org Unsubscribing Instructions: http://www.macsalon.org/howtos/unsub.html

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so i’ve really loved ani difranco for like 3 years and she has these tatoos on her that are really cool and i want to find pictures of exaclty how theylook. please send me pictures of ani’s tatoos thanks.  i need only clear pictures so i can take them to a tatoo artist and show them what they look like. also, i’m only 15 and i want to get a tatoo.  any shops near tulsa oklahoma that will do me? jenna ~~~ and they say love only comes to those who wait but i’ve been waiting all my life… ~~~

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managed to mutter unintelligibly: | so i’ve really loved ani difranco for like 3 years and she has these tatoos on | her that are really cool and i want to find pictures of exaclty how theylook. | please send me pictures of ani’s tatoos thanks.  i need only clear pictures so | i can take them to a tatoo artist and show them what they look like. So lemme get this straight… you want to take pictures of the tattoos of this woman who’s famous for valuing independence and originality to a tattoo artist and say, "Despite the fact that I am doing one of the things that my personal idol hates, I want you to copy these directly onto me.  I want to be part of the unoriginal conformist masses this woman rails against, please." Why aren’t they teaching them to think these days?  Breathing permits need to be instituted.  Really. | also, i’m only 15 and i want to get a tatoo.  any shops near tulsa oklahoma | that will do me? Not any good ones. Cassie — "At times AFNG is like the Special Olympics: lots of drooling and heavy breathing, but every one is a winner." -Larry, the Other White Meat, a.f.n-g, 4/10/00 Beware potted meat food products invading your reply.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – managed to mutter unintelligibly: | so i’ve really loved ani difranco for like 3 years and she has these tatoos on | her that are really cool and i want to find pictures of exaclty how theylook. | please send me pictures of ani’s tatoos thanks.  i need only clear pictures so | i can take them to a tatoo artist and show them what they look like. So lemme get this straight… you want to take pictures of the tattoos of this woman who’s famous for valuing independence and originality to a tattoo artist and say, "Despite the fact that I am doing one of the things that my personal idol hates, I want you to copy these directly onto me.  I want to be part of the unoriginal conformist masses this woman rails against, please." Why aren’t they teaching them to think these days?  Breathing permits need to be instituted.  Really. | also, i’m only 15 and i want to get a tatoo.  any shops near tulsa oklahoma | that will do me? Not any good ones.

no offense cassie, but nsyncluvr reeks of troll BO. NO ONE could be THIS ironic and stupid. —Angie a.k.a. D-Strss

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managed to mutter unintelligibly: | no offense cassie, but nsyncluvr reeks of troll BO. | | NO ONE could be THIS ironic and stupid. I was a freshman RA at Wake Forest. They’re out there, and they’re attending college.  You’d be amazed. (Though this certainly may be a troll, I’m not completely sure.) Cassie — "At times AFNG is like the Special Olympics: lots of drooling and heavy breathing, but every one is a winner." -Larry, the Other White Meat, a.f.n-g, 4/10/00 Beware potted meat food products invading your reply.

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Nsyncluvr1054 sends: also, i’m only 15 and i want to get a tatoo.  any shops near tulsa oklahoma that will do me?

Yeah, but not in the way you’re thinking…

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<< So lemme get this straight… you want to take pictures of the tattoos of this woman who’s famous for valuing independence and originality to a tattoo artist and say, "Despite the fact that I am doing one of the things that my personal idol hates, I want you to copy these directly onto me.  I want to be part of the unoriginal conformist masses this woman rails against, please."   shes not my idol i just like her music and her tatoos.  fuck off.   << Why aren’t they teaching them to think these days?  Breathing permits need to be instituted.  Really. i can think just fine THANK YOU but maybe you cant.   << Not any good ones. thanks for your help OH WAIT your not helpful at all LOL jenna

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<< no offense cassie, but nsyncluvr reeks of troll BO. whats that supposed to mean?  i thought this would be a nice place to find some help but i guess i was wrong.   jenna

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<< Yeah, but not in the way you’re thinking… my sister’s boyfriend says theres a shop somewhere around that doesnt care how old i am but we cant remember the name so if anyone knows of this plaace please email me so i can get my tatoo. jenna

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<< no offense cassie, but nsyncluvr reeks of troll BO. whats that supposed to mean?  i thought this would be a nice place to find some help but i guess i was wrong.  

I’m sorry… you mean to go here: http://www.gothic.net/~coffin/rainbow/ —Angie a.k.a. D-Strss

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<< Yeah, but not in the way you’re thinking… my sister’s boyfriend says theres a shop somewhere around that doesnt care how old i am but we cant remember the name so if anyone knows of this plaace please email me so i can get my tatoo.

My husband’s ex-girlfriend’s brother would probably do it for you. But he is on a long vacation in Leavenworth Kansas. —Angie a.k.a. D-Strss

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<< no offense cassie, but nsyncluvr reeks of troll BO. whats that supposed to mean?  i thought this would be a nice place to find some help but i guess i was wrong. jenna

Jenna – -If you had lurked here at all or read the FAQs, you would know that this isn’t a "nice place," at least for people who drop in and ask others to do their work for them.  We also don’t post pictures here.  And it’s considered bad form to rip off someone else’s tattoo. And no decent studio will work on a 15-year-old; any place that agrees to is likely to be unprofessional in a lot of other ways, most importantly those that involve sterility. Try a search engine to find ani sites – there are lots.  But don’t steal her tattoo. You have 3 years to come up with your own design anyway. woland

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<< no offense cassie, but nsyncluvr reeks of troll BO. whats that supposed to mean?  i thought this would be a nice place to find some help but i guess i was wrong.

yes, you were wrong.  when you post stuff like, "god are you a dumbass?????  you shuldnt do shit like that to yourself becayse you could get hurt go to a pro and then maybe you wont fuck yourself up LOL" people will be less willing to help you.  RAB is not a service.  it is a newsgroup where bodyart and pertinent issues are discussed.  RAB will not do your homework for you.  RAB will not take pictures for you.  RAB will not help a minor get tattooed.  if you want help, help yourself (this is me empowering you). come on wont anyone help me and post pictures of ani’s

no.  when you decide to stop acting like a cuntnugget, and stop insulting people because they didn’t do a DIY piercing the way *you* would do it, then people here *might* be willing to help you. david, tying threads — RANA +/- 29 "Isn’t it awful about the rabbits? [..] They stick mascara and deodorant into the rabbits’ eyes until they go blind" -Venus, "Party Girl" http://www.bmeworld.com/myneedle

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<< So lemme get this straight… you want to take pictures of the tattoos of this woman who’s famous for valuing independence and originality to a tattoo artist and say, "Despite the fact that I am doing one of the things that my personal idol hates, I want you to copy these directly onto me.  I want to be part of the unoriginal conformist masses this woman rails against, please." shes not my idol i just like her music and her tatoos.  fuck off.  

Let me try and rephrase so your teenage brain can grasp the thought: Copying someone else’s tattoo is one of the lamest things you can do. And if you’re too stupid to find a picture of the design you want to steal, don’t expect to get help from anyone here. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://chaotropic.net

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my sister’s boyfriend says theres a shop somewhere around that doesnt care how old i am but we cant remember the name so if anyone knows of this plaace please email me so i can get my tatoo.

    Well, i know im nitpicking, but tattoo has 3 t’s and 2 o’s.      You never see your sister? ask her to ask him. The point is if a shop will tattoo a minor without parental consent, theyre probably skimping elsewhere, not having a good autoclave, shoddy needles, etc.         You poked fun at someone for piercing themself, but sometimes a DIY piercing is safer than going to an unclean shop that isnt real good about preventing cross-contamination.        DIY tattooing on the other hand tends to be a bad idea. getting good ink and getting it into the skin properly takes some practice (a bunch.)        I dont know a whole bunch about Ani but the point a few people were trying to make is that she runs an independant record label. Shes doing her own thing. maybe let her tattoos be an inspiration, but part of the fun of having a great tattoo is that its individual and say something about the wearer, not the wearers favorite musician (etc)      -Moth

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managed to mutter unintelligibly: | whats that supposed to mean?  i thought this would be a nice place to find some | help but i guess i was wrong.   Of course you were wrong.  Brainless little stained echoes of assbait like you don’t have the mental capacity for rightness. HAVEN’T YOU FIGURED IT OUT YET?? NO. Please return to the mecca of stupidity from which you came. Hey, Angie, can I have some popcorn? Cassie — "At times AFNG is like the Special Olympics: lots of drooling and heavy breathing, but every one is a winner." -Larry, the Other White Meat, a.f.n-g, 4/10/00 Beware potted meat food products invading your reply.

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come on wont anyone help me and post pictures of ani’s

Honey we have a rule here, If you can’t spell what you want you can’t have it, additionally, we have a hard time sending you to someone we know so you can ask them to commit a felony. In the immortal words of some old rock and roller " come back when you grow up girl, you’re still living in a paper doll world" R

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Ray Pearson sends: In the immortal words of some old rock and roller " come back when you grow up girl, you’re still living in a paper doll world"

You’re quoting old rock and roll to someone who signs herself "nsyncluvr"? — –jmowreader http://www.macsalon.org Unsubscribing Instructions: http://www.macsalon.org/howtos/unsub.html

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Ray Pearson sends: In the immortal words of some old rock and roller " come back when you grow up girl, you’re still living in a paper doll world" You’re quoting old rock and roll to someone who signs herself "nsyncluvr"?

Ray can’t help it.  He’s Old Skool. — WyrdWoman http://www.wyrdwoman.com/

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Nsyncluvr1054 sends: my sister’s boyfriend says theres a shop somewhere around that doesnt care how old i am but we cant remember the name so if anyone knows of this plaace please email me so i can get my tatoo.

We don’t (1) email people or (2) spread around recommendations of which scratcher to go to. Let me ask you something: What is your mother going to do to you when she finds out you got a tattoo without permission? Because you know she’s going to find it one of these days, and when she does you’re probably going to be grounded until you’re a hundred. Helpful household hint: The state of Idaho allows minors to be tattooed if (a) they get parental consent and (b) the parent–not a guardian, but a parent, and you need all sorts of proof like birth certificates, drivers licenses and I think DNA samples–sits in the room during the entire procedure. Which, of course, keeps the number of tattooed youth down to a minimum since what parent is going to do all this? I learned about this because the town in Idaho where my parents live is fairly close (in north Idaho, an hour’s drive is considered close) to a tattooist who strictly follows this law, and they told me about him. Lish, would you happen to have anything on a tattoo artist in Coeur d’ Alene, Idaho? I’d imagine there’s only one in a town with 15,000 people and no navy base. And don’t plan any vacations: The law also says they can’t tattoo out-of- state minors. — –jmowreader http://www.macsalon.org Unsubscribing Instructions: http://www.macsalon.org/howtos/unsub.html

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<snip NO ONE could be THIS ironic and stupid. —Angie a.k.a. D-Strss

Alanis Morrisette? Kavin And I don’t care that I misspelled her name.

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:I’m sorry… you mean to go here: http://www.gothic.net/~coffin/rainbow/

Great site! Lots of new tattoo ideas too! Thanks.

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JM this law, and they told me about him. Lish, would you happen to have JM anything on a tattoo artist in Coeur d’ Alene, Idaho? I’d imagine ther JM only one in a town with 15,000 people and no navy base.         um. no. sorry. lish 31.4% / 24

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nsyncluvr (aka cuntnugget, and assbait) wrote the wrong group asking: my sister’s boyfriend says theres a shop somewhere around that doesnt care how old i am but we cant remember the name so if anyone knows of this place please email me so i can get my tatoo.

Your sister’s boyfriend recommends a shop where they don’t care how old you are? He’s a fucking rocket scientist right? And so’s your sister for dating him and letting him stick his dirty fingernails into her own tight confines. One more time little troll, (because I’m almost certain that’s what we’re dealing with here)…reputable, law-abiding shops DO care. Go anywhere else and you take you own chances with the sanitation, reputation, and probably the intact nature of your own tiny hymen. You’ve been told already that legally you’ll have to be 18 to get this done properly so spend the time searching for your Original design. And get with some real fucking music. Tut

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AngieK wrote our own pubescent little scribe nsyncluvr: My husband’s ex-girlfriend’s brother would probably do it for you. But he is on a long vacation in Leavenworth Kansas.

Ouch! I heard the piercing’s in there are bitchin’. Tut

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I tattooed someone like you. i told her if we did’nt change the design, we’d be stealing from Ani DiFranco, she agreed and we drew a new design.Getting her tattoo means you are nothing like her. Get your own tattoo albert

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Well, after a few months of trying everything under the sun to keep my labret from rubbing my gums, I decided it was doing more harm than good and removed it. At this point I’m a walking gallery of failed piercings. From top-down:  - Gunned upper carts: hypertrophic scarring after 6 mos, removed.  - 10ga needled lobes: hypertrophic scarring after 9 mos, removed.  - 14ga labret: gum problems after ~2 years, removed.  - Nipples, first time: rejection after 2 years.  - Nipples, take-two: migrated after 2 years, removed. Which means, basically, that my only long-term succesful piercings are my genital ones. It calls for arson, not just some miserable little candles. I keep trying to find a reason for the problems, and I can’t figure it out. I’ve been using correctly sized, high-quality jewelry; I’ve followed accepted healing advice (and never once had an infection).  As far as I can tell, it’s not something I can control, which is particularly frustrating since piercing had a "reclamation" aspect for me. I’ve wanted to do my nostil for a while, but the way things have been going, I’m a bit apprehensive. Ah well. I feel naked and needed to vent. PITY ME. myrrh (strike strike.)

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Well, after a few months of trying everything under the sun to keep my labret from rubbing my gums, I decided it was doing more harm than good and removed it.

dustin f. and i discussed a possible labret solution, once upon a time. if you could, somehow, encase a labret back in PTFE (or somesuch), it would probably be a lot softer on your gums/teeth. one of our ideas was a teflon "disk", which was hollow, and had a slit cut on the diameter.  you could slide a labret back into the disk (sorta like a button on your clothes).  this way you could clean out the disk. i know this may be a bit late for you, but it might be an idea for the future. and it might be something the local jewelry manufacturers could think about? Ah well. I feel naked and needed to vent. PITY ME.

i sympathize.  labret placement has been a problem for me as well.  this summer i’m planning on try #3. get the nostril pierce, it’ll make you feel better. j

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At this point I’m a walking gallery of failed piercings. From top-down: – Gunned upper carts: hypertrophic scarring after 6 mos, removed. – 10ga needled lobes: hypertrophic scarring after 9 mos, removed.

    Condolences on the labret. Have you tried punching cart? gunned holes are notoriously bad.       10ga lobes: 9 mos is a long time for them to start scarring. did you try smaller dia. rings, plugs, or titanium?        -Moth

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I keep trying to find a reason for the problems, and I can’t figure it out. I’ve been using correctly sized, high-quality jewelry; I’ve followed accepted healing advice (and never once had an infection).  As far as I can tell, it’s not something I can control, which is particularly frustrating since piercing had a "reclamation" aspect for me.

It seems like the natural thing to suggest to you that you start thinking about scarification or tattooing, but then again, if your body is determined to thwart your modification attempts, it’s only something bigger to go wrong. My condolences on the loss of yet another piercing. My labret is one of my favorites. Jess —             "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority,                  it’s time to pause and reflect." – Mark Twain         LadyJ is available at www.ladyj.net and fine stores everywhere.

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dustin f. and i discussed a possible labret solution, once upon a time. if you could, somehow, encase a labret back in PTFE (or somesuch), it would probably be a lot softer on your gums/teeth. one of our ideas was a teflon "disk", which was hollow, and had a slit cut on the diameter.  you could slide a labret back into the disk (sorta like a button on your clothes).  this way you could clean out the disk.

Why not just use a PTFE labret stud? www.sin-a-matic.com makes them. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://chaotropic.net

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Why not just use a PTFE labret stud?

i didn’t know anyone made them. and, at the time, we were also discussing the idea of nylon encased, flexible ti that you could shape any way you like.  (there’s a japanese company doing this already, using a form of PVC, with no specs on bio-compatibility.) on a different note, i got a catalogue from sin-a-matic a few years ago.  they make some really pretty stuff with wood.   j

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I’ve wanted to do my nostil for a while, but the way things have been going, I’m a bit apprehensive.

Make with a dermal punch and, um, punch something. Yeah. — Judith Grunberger http://grunberger.net/

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MYRRH:  i tried twice to send this to you by private email, but it bounced back both times.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, after a few months of trying everything under the sun to keep my labret from rubbing my gums, I decided it was doing more harm than good and removed it. At this point I’m a walking gallery of failed piercings. From top-down:  - Gunned upper carts: hypertrophic scarring after 6 mos, removed.  - 10ga needled lobes: hypertrophic scarring after 9 mos, removed.  - 14ga labret: gum problems after ~2 years, removed.  - Nipples, first time: rejection after 2 years.  - Nipples, take-two: migrated after 2 years, removed. Which means, basically, that my only long-term succesful piercings are my genital ones. It calls for arson, not just some miserable little candles. I keep trying to find a reason for the problems, and I can’t figure it out. I’ve been using correctly sized, high-quality jewelry; I’ve followed accepted healing advice (and never once had an infection).  As far as I can tell, it’s not something I can control, which is particularly frustrating since piercing had a "reclamation" aspect for me.

i’m really sorry to hear about that.  once when i was having problems with my piercings, i asked my piercers (bear and geneva at the time) if there was a maximum number of piercings that the body could tolerate.  i was so frustrated!  i hope you feel better soon.  i tend to look at myself as a failure if i can’t keep piercings, even tho i know it’s not *me*, it’s just my body saying, "fuck you, david, they’re coming out!" i’ll be sure to set my neighbor’s house on fire for you. take care, david — RANA +/- 27 "My wife can only say dog-pussy!" –Dead Milkmen, Metaphysical Graphitti, 1990 http://www.bmeworld.com/myneedle

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MYRRH:  i tried twice to send this to you by private email, but it bounced back both times.

That’s because she has a moron filter. Jess —     "Laughing at you is like drop kicking a wounded hummingbird." – unknown         LadyJ is available at www.ladyj.net and fine stores everywhere.

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on a different note, i got a catalogue from sin-a-matic a few years ago.  they make some really pretty stuff with wood.  

I’ve heard that they’ve discontinued making those . Look at www.newtribe.de for some really neat stuff with dymondwood! Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://chaotropic.net

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Why not just use a PTFE labret stud? i didn’t know anyone made them.

i wear one. it is pretty comfortable in that it does not really rub a lot against my gums. the not-so-pretty part is that because i know it’s softer than my teeth, i can’t stop biting around on it and it isn’t quite "straight" anymore. i’ll have a dentist’s appointment in august. i’ll report back – maybe the dentist can see gum loss i can’t nina — if    the    doors    of    perception    were    cleansed every   thing   would   appear   to   man   as   it   is – i  n  f  i  n  i  t  e.                    - william blake ::::::::::::::: http://home.balcab.ch/nis ::::::::::::::::

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on a different note, i got a catalogue from sin-a-matic a few years ago.  they make some really pretty stuff with wood.   I’ve heard that they’ve discontinued making those .

damn.  they had some kickass spikes. Look at www.newtribe.de for some really neat stuff with dymondwood!

wooden eyelets, and a penis shaped plug!  wheeee!! j

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MYRRH:  i tried twice to send this to you by private email, but it bounced back both times.

Please learn to read. — Judith Grunberger http://grunberger.net/

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Look at www.newtribe.de for some really neat stuff with dymondwood! wooden eyelets, and a penis shaped plug!  wheeee!!

i think i can safely recommend them. i have a pair of 2ga double spiked dymondwood plugs from them and they’re just *perfect*. make me want to stretch no more… nina — if    the    doors    of    perception    were    cleansed every   thing   would   appear   to   man   as   it   is – i  n  f  i  n  i  t  e.                    - william blake ::::::::::::::: http://home.balcab.ch/nis ::::::::::::::::

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dustin f. and i discussed a possible labret solution, once upon a time. if you could, somehow, encase a labret back in PTFE (or somesuch), it would probably be a lot softer on your gums/teeth. Why not just use a PTFE labret stud? www.sin-a-matic.com makes them.

Part of the problem I was having was that the bottom of the disk would catch on the top edge of my gums as I moved my face. This wasn’t a problem initially, so I don’t think it was bad placement; I think my gums receded enough for it to become a problem. By the time I tried teflon, I was already at this stage. I did try shortening the bar, but that seemed to encourage the inside of my lip to engulf the back. I also found that when I sleep, the weight of the ball cocked the bar at an angle (I’m a side-sleeper) enough to drive the side of the disk against my gums; I attempted to combat this by sleeping with an o-ring on the front to pull it further into my lip, but that worsened the "engulfment" problem and didn’t seem to help that much (I have soft lips, I guess). I tried using a 3mm back, as well, and had similar problems to the 5mm back. Had the hole been higher, I think I could have avoided some of these problems with a ring. I also think that if I had started with teflon, or switched to teflon earlier, I would have fared better. In fact, it may be worth trying again with teflon, and a placement better suited for my mouth at it is now. myrrh (strike strike.)

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one of our ideas was a teflon "disk", which was hollow, and had a slit cut on the diameter.  you could slide a labret back into the disk (sorta like a button on your clothes).  this way you could clean out the disk.

It sounds like a cleaner design of some half-baked ideas I had while trying to save this: latex tool-dip and heat-shrink tubing both sprang to mind If it were possible to make a heat-shrink biocompatible soft tubing, that might work as well as the slide-on disk idea; it’d have to be cheap enough so that you could cut it off and toss it when you wanted to clean the disk, though. get the nostril pierce, it’ll make you feel better.

I think I will myrrh (strike strike.)

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Snip Look at www.newtribe.de for some really neat stuff with dymondwood! wooden eyelets, and a penis shaped plug!  wheeee!!

Eyelets with wood as a component.  Folks who fight and debate over the relative merits of 316l vs 316lv would consider dymondwood as a possibility?  Couldn’t you get "resin poisoning" or something? The "Fantasy Stone" looks like a 1980’s bowling ball to me.  Not that that’s a bad thing –  it’s exactly why I like charoite.  But that stuff looks like they actually lathed a bowling ball. Lou K. exit 7

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At this point I’m a walking gallery of failed piercings. From top-down: – Gunned upper carts: hypertrophic scarring after 6 mos, removed. – 10ga needled lobes: hypertrophic scarring after 9 mos, removed.     Condolences on the labret. Have you tried punching cart? gunned holes are notoriously bad.

Yeah, I know now. Right now, though, there’s only drill-presses and paper punches in a 200mi radius :[ So if someone has a dermal punch at RABcon, I would like to go home with swiss-cheese ears...       10ga lobes: 9 mos is a long time for them to start scarring. did you try smaller dia. rings, plugs, or titanium?

I really should have said "removed after 9 mos" -- they started before that.  Initial jewelry was 10ga Ti rings by Mary. When they started scarring, I started babying them and gradually stepped down gauges with the thought that I would reduce the irritation: first to 12, then 14. At each step, they got better for a few weeks, and then started acting up again... myrrh (strike strike.)

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It seems like the natural thing to suggest to you that you start thinking about scarification or tattooing, but then again, if your body is determined to thwart your modification attempts, it's only something bigger to go wrong.

I've got several tattoo ideas already, one of which will hopefully come to (partial) fruition in time to be shown off at RABcon Scarification doesn't really appeal to me, but I *have* kicked around the thought of a branding -- it typically ends with a voice in my head saying "you're afraid of hot things, remember?" Time to get over that fear, I think myrrh (strike strike.)

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Make with a dermal punch and, um, punch something.

I fully intend to, as soon as I can get to someone with a punch. Anyone know if there'll be punching at RABcon? myrrh (strike strike.)

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[a sob story]

I wanted to thank everyone who replied — it’s very, very nice to have a helpful & sympathetic ear, and even more so to have half a dozen. Interestingly, none of my (comparatively conservative) co-workers commented on the labret’s absence. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve just learned to mentally edit it out; if that’s the case, it may be that many more people who don’t see non-traditional facial piercing as freakish. Maybe. Anyhow, thank you all again! It was great to have encouragement for future work myrrh (strike strike.)

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I’ve got several tattoo ideas already, one of which will hopefully come to (partial) fruition in time to be shown off at RABcon Scarification doesn’t really appeal to me, but I *have* kicked around the thought of a branding — it typically ends with a voice in my head saying "you’re afraid of hot things, remember?" Time to get over that fear, I think

Whee! That’s how I feel about it. 5 years ago, I would have never thought I’d even consider a tattoo, let alone a branding… but it becomes more and more appealing whenever I consider it. I am still at the stage where I don’t think I want to go into cuttings, cause it seems like such a longer, more traumatic experience. Maybe 5 years from now, I’ll surprise myself. Jess

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MYRRH:  i tried twice to send this to you by private email, but it bounced back both times. Please learn to read.

aha!  i always thought that was a strange .sig file. thanks, judy. david — RANA +/- 27 "My wife can only say dog-pussy!" –Dead Milkmen, Metaphysical Graffiti, 1990 http://www.bmeworld.com/myneedle

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MYRRH:  i tried twice to send this to you by private email, but it bounced back both times. Please learn to read. aha!  i always thought that was a strange .sig file.

    David, you’re an idiot. Robin on usenet, at least

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    David, you’re an idiot.

to the person who was criticising people for unlurking and immediately criticising people…. aside from the fool attacking KA, have you noticed that they only seem to go for David? hmmmm. Soup.

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Hey guys.  I need help.  I’m not good with serching the net and i’m looking for sites taht give good tattoo ideas to help me design my next tattoo.  I want an Anhk which is the Egyptian symbol of life and it looks like a cross with a cicrle on time.  IF anyone can help me please send me an e-mail.

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Hey guys.  I need help.  I’m not good with serching the net and i’m looking for sites taht give good tattoo ideas to help me design my next tattoo.  I want an Anhk which is the Egyptian symbol of life and it looks like a cross with a cicrle on time.  IF anyone can help me please send me an e-mail.

Here, I’ll give you a lesson: 1.  Go to any search engine. 2.  Type in "ankh." 3.  Look for the button that says something like "search" or "go." 4.  Click it. 5.  Marvel at all of the pages that come up. 6.  Pick one. I found a picture in about 5 seconds following this procedure. And don’t ask people to email your lazy ass. — sarahmonster change 0 to o to reply http://lawngnome.net/mod

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Ugh will you people quit being such stiffs. People only want help.

you aren’t going to change things around here.  many, many people have tried. go read the survival guide, learn, and then leave. j

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Ugh will you people quit being such stiffs. People only want help. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey guys.  I need help.  I’m not good with serching the net and i’m looking for sites taht give good tattoo ideas to help me design my next tattoo.  I want an Anhk which is the Egyptian symbol of life and it looks like a cross with a cicrle on time.  IF anyone can help me please send me an e-mail. Here, I’ll give you a lesson: 1.  Go to any search engine. 2.  Type in "ankh." 3.  Look for the button that says something like "search" or "go." 4.  Click it. 5.  Marvel at all of the pages that come up. 6.  Pick one. I found a picture in about 5 seconds following this procedure. And don’t ask people to email your lazy ass. — sarahmonster change 0 to o to reply http://lawngnome.net/mod

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Ugh will you people quit being such stiffs. People only want help.

Until you’ve read this: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/netiquette/ and this: http://mutilation.net/yttrx/rabsurv.html and lurk for a looooong time and find out how things work around here, you need to stop posting.  No "compromising," no nicey nicey. People have tried to be polite to you and explain how things work, but I’m not going to, because it’s already been done, and because you don’t deserve it.  You are not going to change RAB because someone wasn’t nice to you and you didn’t like it.  You are a newbie to this particular newsgroup, whether or not you are a newbie to Usenet (which I believe you ARE), and therefore it is YOUR job to figure out how things work BEFORE you post.   So far I’ve seen you call regulars "dickheads," "idiot," "ignorant," etc. You’ve told people they have "no life," are "incapable to [sic] being polite," that you’re trying to "use this newsgroup," etc.  You’ve even asked for people to send you their own personal art.  And you’re surprised that you’re getting a negative response? Respect is not given, respect is EARNED.  And so far I’ve seen absolutely no reason for anyone to give you any respect.  And I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: RAB IS NOT A SERVICE RAB IS NOT A SERVICE RAB IS NOT A SERVICE — sarahmonster change 0 to o to reply http://lawngnome.net/mod

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Shouldn’t you be working your little ass out getting buff or something? Incidentally, I don’t see *you* helping out Mr/Ms Ankh tattoo – please, Sandman, dazzle us with your expertise on tattoos ! Show us the light! Mimp Ugh will you people quit being such stiffs. People only want help.

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Ugh will you people quit being such stiffs. People only want help.

And I’d say that ankh girl got help. We are not a picture-searching service. And even if someone is willing to search for pictures of something, it is considered improper netiquette to ask for help on a public forum and then request replies on private e-mail. Would you consider it appropriate behavior to walk into a restaurant, ask the patrons to answer a question for you, but request that they give you the answer in the form of a letter or phone call? If you can make the effort to come and ask for help, you can make the effort to come back and look at the answers (which are infinitely more valuable when everyone can read them and they are archived). Sara — saram AT wam.umd.edu, RANA-40 *amputate the ‘pinkies’ to reply* http://www.waxpaper.net "I just like having scantily-clad, buxom women aroumd my room."

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Hey guys.  I need help.  I’m not good with serching the net and i’m looking for sites taht give good tattoo ideas to help me design my next tattoo.  I want an Anhk which is the Egyptian symbol of life and it looks like a cross with a cicrle on time.  IF anyone can help me please send me an e-mail.

In any search engine, type ‘ankh’.  Lots of links will come up.  Or go to the library.  Find where they keep books on Egyptian art and culture.  You’ll find lots of ankhs. ****** Kellie <A HREF="http://kellie.gq.nu/"kellie.gq.nu</A "The whole world is a playground, it’s big and round, goes round and round." –PErFect ThYroID

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Ugh will you people quit being such stiffs. People only want help.

It is good to want things. What have you done for us lately? — Judith Grunberger http://grunberger.net/

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Ugh will you people quit being such stiffs. People only want help.

Did you have something to contribute, you motherfucking fetid lump of anus cheese? FUCK OFF. —–yttrx

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<<It is good to want things. If you just intentionally quoted "Welcome Home, Roxy Carmichael," I’ll send you a box of cookies. -Meghan — http://www.bmeworld.com/meghan "My advice to women now is to shout, ‘I’m flat as a pancake!’ Say it loud; say it proud!"   — Betsey Johnson

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I’ll throw in some hot pink laces for the combat boots…  I didn’t know anyone else ever saw that movie — skyelass "Tolerate me, goddammit!" — rab, Meghan 06/00

: :<<It is good to want things. : :If you just intentionally quoted "Welcome Home, Roxy Carmichael," I’ll :send you a box of cookies. : : :-Meghan :– :http://www.bmeworld.com/meghan :"My advice to women now is to shout, ‘I’m flat as a pancake!’ Say it :loud; say it proud!" :  – Betsey Johnson

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<<I’ll throw in some hot pink laces for the combat boots…  I didn’t know anyone else ever saw that movie "I’m going to kiss you now, Gerald." I’m using the character of Roxy Carmichael as part of a "creative sociology" project I’ve been contemplating for the past few weeks.  The only problem is, it’s hard to use her as an example because nobody’s seen the movie.  :-) -Meghan — http://www.bmeworld.com/meghan "My advice to women now is to shout, ‘I’m flat as a pancake!’ Say it loud; say it proud!"   — Betsey Johnson

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<<It is good to want things. If you just intentionally quoted "Welcome Home, Roxy Carmichael," I’ll send you a box of cookies. -Meghan

Thank you! That’s been bugging me since I read that post. Jayc – Jay 28. Daddy Drinks Because You Cry.     – Childrens books that didn’t get published        

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<<I’ll throw in some hot pink laces for the combat boots…  I didn’t know anyone else ever saw that movie "I’m going to kiss you now, Gerald." I’m using the character of Roxy Carmichael as part of a "creative sociology" project I’ve been contemplating for the past few weeks.  The only problem is, it’s hard to use her as an example because nobody’s seen the movie.  :-)

#667 Meghan has seen the movie. —–yttrx

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Ugh will you people quit being such stiffs. People only want help.

Anhk question asked – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sarahmonster replied: Here, I’ll give you a lesson: 1.  Go to any search engine. 2.  Type in "ankh." 3.  Look for the button that says something like "search" or "go." 4.  Click it. 5.  Marvel at all of the pages that come up. 6.  Pick one. I found a picture in about 5 seconds following this procedure. And don’t ask people to email your lazy ass. — sarahmonster

So which part wasn’t an answer? You really should get more sleep.  It is affecting your ability to reason. Though, your syntax is better.  Maybe there are two little fucktards using the same name? That would be a clever troll. Kavin

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<<It is good to want things. If you just intentionally quoted "Welcome Home, Roxy Carmichael," I’ll send you a box of cookies.

I didn’t. I came up with it all by myself; do I still get a box of cookies? — Judith Grunberger http://grunberger.net/

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You wanna get into real-life comparisons. Is it right to ask someone a question, and while your being polite, they snap off at you? Nope, you’de get slapped like a little bitch. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ugh will you people quit being such stiffs. People only want help. And I’d say that ankh girl got help. We are not a picture-searching service. And even if someone is willing to search for pictures of something, it is considered improper netiquette to ask for help on a public forum and then request replies on private e-mail. Would you consider it appropriate behavior to walk into a restaurant, ask the patrons to answer a question for you, but request that they give you the answer in the form of a letter or phone call? If you can make the effort to come and ask for help, you can make the effort to come back and look at the answers (which are infinitely more valuable when everyone can read them and they are archived). Sara — saram AT wam.umd.edu, RANA-40 *amputate the ‘pinkies’ to reply* http://www.waxpaper.net "I just like having scantily-clad, buxom women aroumd my room."

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What have you done for anyone? And no, bitching and whining isn’t helping. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ugh will you people quit being such stiffs. People only want help. It is good to want things. What have you done for us lately? — Judith Grunberger http://grunberger.net/

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SandMan in his painfully finite wisdom typed: What have you done for anyone? And no, bitching and whining isn’t helping.

 (in response to Judith Grunberger)    Hey, sandman. youre new. GET OFF IT!  Anyone who gets online should really know how to use a search engine. im amazed at the # of people who post on Usenet that dont get this concept.       If youd read the FAQ’s before coming in here half cocked, youd realize you made a mistake.        Sara (i think?) posted about how to type in ankh and search. it was a very valid answer. Also symbols.com has a ton of shit like that but its all basic stick/ line symbols.       read the FAQ and survival guide, and lurk some. if you dont like how things go here, get your own sandbox! RAB tends to "not play well with others" because of the "gimme all the advice and pics i want cause im too dumb to use a search engine" attitude of too many newbies.        Use deja.com, that archives a lot of old posts as well. its amazing what 5 mins of work can get ya.         -Moth

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Ugh will you people quit being such stiffs. People only want help. It is good to want things. What have you done for us lately? What have you done for anyone? And no, bitching and whining isn’t helping.

I’ve been on RAB since 1995. I’ve done PLENTY. Now shut it. — Judith Grunberger http://grunberger.net/

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You wanna get into real-life comparisons. Is it right to ask someone a question, and while your being polite, they snap off at you? Nope, you’de get slapped like a little bitch.

Werent you leaving or something? —–yttrx

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You wanna get into real-life comparisons. Is it right to ask someone a question, and while your being polite, they snap off at you? Nope, you’de get slapped like a little bitch.

Okay. Here goes. Say you go to an inner-city library and are trying to do research on something… maybe tattoos and weightlifting. You are pretty nice and polite, but you’re not getting anywhere. You’ve made a few mistakes, like putting a card into the card catalog upside down, and speaking a little loudly in a quiet area. No big deal. You approach the librarian, who’s sick of dealing with kids who are rude and immature. While it may not be correct, she already has you pegged as potential idiocy — you match the description. You ask her a question. She thinks you probably could have easily gotten the answer to the question by yourself. Normally, she’d say, "Look up the keyword in the card catalog," and send you on your way. But she notices that you’ve been trying to get the info this way, and by yourself, so she says, "Because you’ve been trying to do this, and haven’t succeeded in doing it correctly, let me give you some hints. Try these words." So you reach over and bitchslap her? I say go for it. Sara — saram AT wam.umd.edu, RANA-40 *amputate the ‘pinkies’ to reply* http://www.waxpaper.net "I just like having scantily-clad, buxom women aroumd my room."

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So you reach over and bitchslap her? I say go for it.

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Yes, we all love the virtual bitchslap. It loses something without the accompanying graphics. /me rolls eyes Sara — saram AT wam.umd.edu, RANA-40 *amputate the ‘pinkies’ to reply* http://www.waxpaper.net "I just like having scantily-clad, buxom women aroumd my room."

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Damn… I thought this was a forum for sharing…  I would have never guessed that a forum about free expression and body art would be so damn capitalistic.

Welcome to RAB. Maybe someday it will grow up. But I wouldn’t count on it. Dana

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Damn… I thought this was a forum for sharing…  I would have never guessed that a forum about free expression and body art would be so damn capitalistic. Welcome to RAB. Maybe someday it will grow up. But I wouldn’t count on it.

So have you sent him free artwork yet?  OK then. — WyrdWoman http://www.mindspring.com/~amy.webb/

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Damn… I thought this was a forum for sharing…  I would have never guessed that a forum about free expression and body art would be so damn capitalistic.  

Hey, would you do your job for free? I am currently a freelance artist.  This is how I feed my kids. You would want me to do my job for free for you? A stranger on the internet… yeah right. I am sorry you don’t want to pay for quality art that would be immediately transferable to a tattoo medium. Enjoy your shitty looking CHEAP tattoo when you get it. All I wanted was some art ideas, but I guess that was too much to ask from all you…

I offered my services to you. Damn me. I should have just said nothing. I will not bother any of you with my posts again.  You are welcome to take any and all ideas and shove em up your ass…

Can I just eat them instead? I have never been very enthusiastic about anal stimulation. You have a nice day too!! —Angie a.k.a. D-Strss

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Welcome to RAB. Maybe someday it will grow up. But I wouldn’t count on it. Dana’s right.

Yes, she is. To suggest someone might have to pay for artwork is childish.

Where in her post do you get the idea that she is suggesting that?  Read and re-read. We should all go to our rooms without supper.

WTF is that? all pissed me off so now you can kiss my ass.  You all are so rude."

Was that another attempt at sarcasm? Yeah, Dana.  I bet your piercer is a real bastard for asking for money. Oh, I meant child.

(Buleeve me – I am not and do not need to speak for Dana, but…) You missed her point completely and are rambling on about shit that has nothing to do with her post.  So your attempt at a sarcastic flame was trying at best, considering you didn’t even bother to really read what Dana posted. — G

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I AM LOOKING FOR SOME IDEAS ON MY TATTOO. WOULD LIKE TO GET AN EGYPTIAN ANKH W/ INTRICATE FILLER, HAV’NT BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN FINDING SUCH A PICTURE. ALSO INTERESTED IN CELTIC KNOTWORK AND ANYTHING ELSE OF IRISH OR PAGAN DESCENT. ANY IDEAS OR PICS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

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I AM LOOKING FOR SOME IDEAS ON MY TATTOO.

ideas on your tattoo?  ideas for what? why are they so hard to find?  one would think that if your artist wrote a bunch of ideas all over your tattoo, you’d pick them out pretty quick. unless, of course, they were in kanji. j

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CELTIC KNOTWORK

Hello, First, when you use all caps (WHICH LOOKS LIKE THIS), it appears you are shouting and it is visually irritating.  Normal spelling/writing will be much better received.  May I also suggest you not request others personally email you off the newsgroup?  This is considered quite rude and appears lazy on your part. As for your request, how much research have you already done?  It’s hard to help unless it is known what you’ve looked at and where you’ve gone to look at it.  I suggest trying the library or utilizing any good search engine and entering the keywords you mentioned.  On my favorite search engine I found approximately 2,530 results for CELTIC KNOTWORK. The search took 0.25 seconds. Finally, please have a look at the  rec.arts.bodyart: Welcome & Netiquette FAQ.  You can find this at: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/netiquette/ Have fun in your search for a design.  Researching and developing an original design is one of the more sacred parts of getting a tattoo, for me, anyway. in bocca al lupo, Giordana .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. I know what innocence looks like – and it wasn’t there, after she got that bicycle…  —– _`<,_    —- (*)/ (*)

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I AM LOOKING FOR SOME IDEAS ON MY TATTOO. WOULD LIKE TO GET AN EGYPTIAN ANKH

Man, those are really rare . . . I don’t think I’ve ever seen a tat’ or flash of an ankh before.  Good luck! INTERESTED IN CELTIC KNOTWORK AND ANYTHING ELSE OF IRISH OR PAGAN DESCENT. ANY IDEAS OR PICS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

GO TO THE LIBRARY (yes, I AM yelling at you because you are LAZY).

In your wildest dreams . . . Ken — VISIT MY WEB PAGES: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~kmccandl/index.html "I went to see your pictures.  I spread them across the floor . . .  Now they’re probably saying to you, ‘If you keep it up you’ll be born!’ But you won’t ever listen — I’ll bet."  Juana’s Adicci

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Hi everyone.  I’m kind of new to this newsgroup (I’m sure you probably here that alot!!).  I just wanted to say that I’m very glad to find a place where people freely and openly discuss the topics of body art.  I had my belly button pierced in September 1996 so I’m familiar with the feeling of piercing (It didn’t hurt as much as I thought it would). I would really like to get a small-medium tattoo now on my upper arm (outer biscept (spelling?) area) OR on my upper back area.  I’m a little scared about any associated pain.  Can anyone tell me how the pain of piercing compares of that with a getting a tattoo? PS I also need tattoo ideas!!  Please share ideas with me…you can e-mail me Karen

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I would really like to get a<BR small-medium tattoo now on my upper arm (outer biscept (spelling?) area) OR on<BR my upper back area.

Bicep does not hurt compared to some of the other areas (ie. ankle, hip bone, pelvic area.) The back will hurt more because there isn’t as much fat/ tissue in that area compared to the bicep area. Also, if you’re thin, any tat is going to hurt a bit more, because of the tendency toward boniness. I currently have 5 tats, but all of them put together was nothing compared to when I got my nose pierced. Just to make sure you can handle it, why not go down t a shop, and ask if they’ll test you. This means to puncture with the tat gun, but without any ink, so you can get the feel of it. For me, it was more of an annoying vibrating thing, and also like being continually scratched. It’s well worth it when it’s over, though.   For tat ideas: What are your favorite things? I’m not talking about passing trends, here… I’m talking about to your grave loves. Do you have a favorite animal? Are you really into your heritage (Celtic, Native American, etc)? How about a symbol for your life? A likeness of a loved one? And not just a "significant other", someone like your mother, or your child. Just keep in mind that this will always be with you. Make sure you can be proud of it.  Nikkita Wolfe

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Hey;  I’m new here too.  But just had the experience you’re talking about…I got a Tat a couple of weeks ago (My first!), and I got a navel peircing a few days ago.  To me, the tatoo was worse, only because the pain lasted longer. I found that I was a lot more nervous about the peircing, possibly because the feel of the tat was fresh in my mind.  I think it was mostly psychological.  The forceps were far worse that the actual needle.  And I love them both!

Congratulations and Welcome! —                                   Ardvark                               Anne Greenblatt                 Manager of the rec.arts.bodyart Piercing FAQ                                    /*/                             Piercing Exquisite                      http://www2.ba.best.com/~ardvark/                                      *                     "You will not sink my cheerio!" HNB

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Hey;  I’m new here too.  But just had the experience you’re talking about…I got a Tat a couple of weeks ago (My first!), and I got a navel peircing a few days ago.  To me, the tatoo was worse, only because the pain lasted longer. Plus, I got it in the small of my back, so I didn’t have much padding back there.  Then a bunch of people from work got together for a mass Peircing party.  I found that I was a lot more nervous about the peircing, possibly because the feel of the tat was fresh in my mind.  I think it was mostly psychological.  The forceps were far worse that the actual needle.  And I love them both! Tia Raye

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[delurk]

Welcome! Then a bunch of people from work got together for a mass Peircing party.

Cool, where do you work?   They sure wouldn’t go in for this at MY work! angela "I never knew why Dorothy wanted to go back and live in black and white with *smelly farm animals*. I mean – winged monkeys! magic shoes! and she coulda had green skin!" -John Waters

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Hey all!! Just wondering if there are any good sites to get pictures of interesting tribal tattoo ideas. I’m too poor to buy a book.  ;-P — I have spoken, You may all be seated now. Thank you.

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I really don`t know of any sites, but do go to a local tat shop to see their work.  I personally, am addicted to tribal, and am planning a tribal knee band.  All shops should have their work displayed and should have pics of all types of tats. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all!! Just wondering if there are any good sites to get pictures of interesting tribal tattoo ideas. I’m too poor to buy a book.  ;-P — I have spoken, You may all be seated now. Thank you.

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Just wondering if there are any good sites to get pictures of interesting tribal tattoo ideas. I’m too poor to buy a book.

Well at least take a look at "The New Tattoo," currently available in paperback. I get light-headed just looking at the marvelous work by Alex Binnie that’s illustrated in it. But I have terrible news for you (presuming that you are looking for a design for yourself): if you are too poor to buy a book, you probably don’t have enough money for a tattoo. They aren’t cheap, you know! Especially tribal, where there is a lot of ink to push under the skin and it takes a lot of time to do it. And it takes a skilled tattooist to ink large areas heavily and uniformly. You’re not alone, of course. If money was no object, I would have long ago hopped on the next flight to London. <sigh —- Rodger Whitlock "Keeping an open mind is a virtue — but not so open that your brains fall out."                 — James Oberg as quoted by Carl Sagan

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