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Hi. I’m looking for some info, maybe someone out there can help me. I’ve been involved in art in some form or another for most of my life. I am just recently however crossing over into the tattooing field. It seems that there is NOT alot of call for beginners to start marking up someone elses skin. I’ve done the orange/grapefruit thing. And it doesn’t seem that too many shops here in NH are all that willing to take on apprentices. When I have found one, they usually want a hefty amount of $$ up front. (Does this seem the norm?) Anyways, I’ll get to the point. I have done several smaller tattoos on friends,assuring them that if they didn’t like them, I would pay for cover-ups or removal, (I guess that’s a bit cocky, but there have been no complaints yet.) The kit I own, (the Huck Spaulding set-up w/ 3 needle liner and 5 needle shader) is fine for now. It came with half a dozen needles of each. My questions involve sterilizing. I’ve used almost all the needles once. I don’t own an autoclave and they seem too expensive for a beginner. Since the needles I have used were covered with rubber tips, straight from the factory, I just doused them with alcohol, then bleach and rinsed them with distilled water before use. So far, no problems? I haven’t used any of them twice, and don’t intend to, until I can sterilize them. But what about disposable needles? Do they make them? Are they any good? Where do I get them? Are they made for any machine? Does anyone in the area sterilize stuff for a fee? Any and all responses will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read this somewhat lengthy letter. Sincerely GravelPit
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I don’t own an autoclave and they seem too expensive for a beginner.
*** Fuck you. Spend the 1,000 lousy bucks for a Prestige autoclave before you DARE tattoo ever again. Have a nice day. k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r w w w . n o o t r o p e . n e t / m o d e r n a m e r i c a n . c o m / — e n d t r a n s m i s s i o n —
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The kit I own, (the Huck Spaulding set-up w/ 3 needle liner and 5 needle
How many people have gotten awful tattoos from one of "anything for a buck huck’s" starter kit’s? My questions involve sterilizing.
Since you have no acces to an autoclave and you probably do not know how to make your own needles, I would suggest buying disposable tubes and pre-made www.camsupply.com Besides the fact your "sterilization techniques are atrocious, the actual needles should not be reused because the dull and get burs on the end. If you want to be a tattoo artist, do whatever it takes to get an apprenticeship at a reputable shop. If you just want to do tattoos on your friends at least get the disposable sterilized stuff I suggested. Sean
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OK Keith. Thanks for the valuable input. Why a Prestige autoclave? Is this the brand name? Is this the only brand they sell? Do you work there? Have a Nice Day yourself, without the Fuck You. Mike Gravel
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My apologies for my ignorance. Although heavily tattooed myself, I never realized all that must go on behind the scenes for safe and sanitary tattooing. I also never realized how strongly people felt on this subject. If I’ve offended anyone (which I obviously have.) I’m sorry. Maybe I should have thought out my original post better, maybe not divulged as much info as I did. My intention was not to inflame people, it was just to get some knowledgeable input from some obviously learned people. Your opinions are all valued. Again, sorry for stirring up the shit. All advice is appreciated and will be heeded. Thanks Again Mike Gravel
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OK Keith. Thanks for the valuable input.
*** I’m here to help. Why a Prestige autoclave?
*** It’s in yer budget. Is this the brand name?
*** Yes, Landra, I mean Mike, I mean… Is this the only brand they sell?
*** Model? No, they sell a few. Save up, call Obscurities in Texas and pick their brains regarding autoclaverewnies. Do you work there?
*** Suspicious minds welcome the devil. Have a Nice Day yourself, without the Fuck You.
*** Awwwwww. Come on. k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r w w w . n o o t r o p e . n e t / m o d e r n a m e r i c a n . c o m / — e n d t r a n s m i s s i o n —
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Again, sorry for stirring up the shit.
*** Hell, this ain’t nothing. Keep posting, Landra. k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r w w w . n o o t r o p e . n e t / m o d e r n a m e r i c a n . c o m / — e n d t r a n s m i s s i o n —
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK Keith. Thanks for the valuable input. *** I’m here to help. Why a Prestige autoclave? *** It’s in yer budget. Is this the brand name? *** Yes, Landra, I mean Mike, I mean… Is this the only brand they sell? *** Model? No, they sell a few. Save up, call Obscurities in Texas and pick their brains regarding autoclaverewnies. Do you work there? *** Suspicious minds welcome the devil. Have a Nice Day yourself, without the Fuck You. *** Awwwwww. Come on.
how come you get all bent outta shape when i offer to suck your dick, but then you want to fuck everyone else in the NG? is it cos i’m a desperate and pathetic ho? david — RANA ~34 Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song? –Anon. http://www.bmeworld.com/myneedle
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how come you get all bent outta shape when i offer to suck your dick, but then you want to fuck everyone else in the NG?
*** It’s the fact that you are a carrier of the Ultimate Cold. is it cos i’m a desperate and pathetic ho?
*** No one has every paid for you. You are not a whore. Actually, even putting your name in the same sentance as the word ‘whore’, cheapens the word. k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r w w w . n o o t r o p e . n e t / m o d e r n a m e r i c a n . c o m / — e n d t r a n s m i s s i o n —
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LG If I’ve offended anyone (which I obviously have.) I’m sorry. LG Maybe I should have thought out my original post better, maybe not divu LG as much info as I did. it’s good that you ‘divulged’ as much as you did – this way we can (albeit fiercely) tell you what better to do. is it preferable to be yelled at & learn, or to have your feelings spared & perhaps give someone hepatitis? LG Again, sorry for stirring up the shit. All advice is appreciated and wi LG heeded. your thread was nothing for this newsgroup – don’t worry about it. although you are [were?] being an idiot, you’ve accepted our advice well & hopefully you’ll also take it to heart. tattooing is not a field to get into for the money. lish 31.4% / 24
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how come you get all bent outta shape when i offer to suck your dick, but then you want to fuck everyone else in the NG? is it cos i’m a desperate and pathetic ho?
i think it might have something to do with the "suck my cock and die" comment you made a while back. Soup
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Hi. And it doesn’t seem that too many shops here in NH are all that willing to take on apprentices.
How hard have you looked? I know of one (yes, in NH) who takes them with barely any experience whatsoever. It’s a busy shop that does almost all walk-in trade. Right now they’ve got eleven artists I think (some jaded old troupers and some who only have been tattooing less than a year), so they might be full up, but I know of one who got a job there because her son got a job there – he’d been tattooing underground and was a good friend of a well-known artist in NH so had gotten some valuable pointers (including knowing about universal precautions – something you really need to find out about); his mother just had an interest in art and needed a job. And you say you’ve got a lot of ink yourself. Why don’t you ask the artists you’ve gotten work from? Hang around their studios, bug them, prove to them that you WANT an apprenticeship? Sometimes the best way to get an apprenticeship is to be underfoot at the right time. When I have found one, they usually want a hefty amount of $$ up front. (Does this seem the norm?)
If you go to college and learn stuff in order to get a better job you pay money, right? You want someone to teach you something for nothing? Why should they? Don’t be a complete ass – the time they spend teaching you is time taken away from making money on a tattoo – why shouldn’t you pay for their time? Susan http://scamptattoo.com
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My apologies for my ignorance. Although heavily tattooed myself, I never realized all that must go on behind the scenes for safe and sanitary tattooing.
So that’s how you became the poster child for Hep? How are you "heavily tattooed" and have no concept of "sanitary tattooing?" You have frightened me. snipped the rest.
Kavin
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I’ll see if I can clear up any of my lingering questions and maybe set the record straight, clear the air so to speak. I wasn’t trying to bait anyone or "troll" for responses. I was merely looking for answers to questions I have or had regarding "the art" of tattooing. So far, in re-posts to this group, I’ve been sworn at, called derogatory names, spoken down to and had my word doubted on a couple of issues. I’ve also received a few of these helpful notes in my IN box. Thanks. I was unaware that ignorance of a subject makes you wrong instead of misinformed, or better yet, ill-informed. I am aware of the SEVERE health effects that could possibly be brought on by an infected needle. I have been informed, at length, of the things to watch out for. Up until a couple of years ago, there wasn’t much attention paid to the hygiene of NH area tattoo parlors. I know my procedures are crude. Much underground tattooing is. Anyone who would be tattooed by me would be well aware of the risks. I’m not inking children. I don’t mind being "yelled at", as long as I’ve done something wrong. Another comment I question is one made that states, "Don’t get into tattooing for the money" well, why not? Aren’t many of the tattooists out there into it for the money? If not, why are tattoos so expensive? I’m an excellent artist, I just don’t know how to tattoo. If I did, I could turn out some beautiful one of a kind work, that’s because I know I’m that good. And in that same vein, (no pun intended), another writer stated that I’d pay tuition, why shouldn’t I pay to learn tattooing? Well, in college, my professor didn’t make money off me. I would be working for the shop owner making him money. As far as taking his valuable time, wouldn’t I only be able to learn while he was working? Wouldn’t that mean that he had a win-win situation on his hands? Yes I have looked around, yes, I have asked my own artists, unfortunately, I don’t have allot of SPARE time to hang around these places, because, you guessed it, if I don’t work there, I have to work somewhere else! Lose-lose. I’m not an ass, I’m not an idiot. I’m just not knowlegeable…yet. Thanks Again Mike Gravel (not Landra, she’s the other person that uses this computer.)
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And in that same vein, (no pun intended), another writer stated that I’d pay tuition, why shouldn’t I pay to learn tattooing? Well, in college, my professor didn’t make money off me.
Pardon me? He taught you fro free?? He doesn’t get paid, just does it for the love a filling little minds?? Think this through again, where do you think his salary cames from?? . As far as taking his valuable time, wouldn’t I only be able to learn while he was working?
Ok I want to be an artist will you teach me for free?? I mean afterall I’ll be working and making money? Oh you charge 200 per hour for your work and I can only bill 50.? If you are going to learn a trade you must pay for the education, or I guess you could go be an electrician and teach yourself while burning down a few houses because you couldn’t be bothered to spend the money on an apprenticeship. You have admitted your "art" is shit, you know why because it was done by people like yourself who cannot be bothered to follow tradition and get a proper education. Ray — Tattoo= stained glass window on my soul Contact me for your shop insurance needs http://home.att.net/~tat-ins/
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Up until a couple of years ago, there wasn’t much attention paid to the hygiene of NH area tattoo parlors.
That certainly would be news to quite a few tattoo parlors in NH. Do you mind telling us where you get your facts from? I know my procedures are crude. Much underground tattooing is. Anyone who would be tattooed by me would be well aware of the risks. I’m not inking children.
You scrape the bottom of the barrel for "customers" - those too cheap and/or too stupid to realize they are getting bad work from someone likely to leave them scarred, disfigured, or give them a disease. I’m so happy they’re not children, too. Crude???? Do you even realize that tattoo artists use different machines for outlining and for shading? That they tune them differently? And why? Another comment I question is one made that states, "Don’t get into tattooing for the money" well, why not? Aren’t many of the tattooists out there into it for the money? If not, why are tattoos so expensive?
Because they’ve taken a long time to learn how to do it RIGHT. Sometimes that means working for peanuts for another guy who has the knowledge you want until he can’t teach you any more and it’s time for you to move on. I’m an excellent artist, I just don’t know how to tattoo. If I did, I could turn out some beautiful one of a kind work, that’s because I know I’m that good.
Bullshit. A LOT of people can draw; not everyone can tattoo. Being aware of what you’re doing to the skin as you tattoo it is as important as being able to crank out a bluebird holding a banner on paper. And in that same vein, (no pun intended), another writer stated that I’d pay tuition, why shouldn’t I pay to learn tattooing? Well, in college, my professor didn’t make money off me.
You think he worked for free? Where do you think at least some of your tuition money went? Are you really that simple? I would be working for the shop owner making him money. As far as taking his valuable time, wouldn’t I only be able to learn while he was working?
And he would be teaching you how to make needles, how to tune machines, giving you pointers about inks and things you can do for different effects, and if you’re lucky in a year or two letting you tattoo someone. But teaching these things take him away from his income – see? Wouldn’t that mean that he had a win-win situation on his hands?
Oh, I see – you’re God’s gift to art, and he should be THRILLED to have you working for him – you’ll bring in SO much business and help him Soooo much, he can afford to take time away from his PAYING CUSTOMERS and teach you how to set up and strip down your machine. Yes I have looked around, yes, I have asked my own artists, unfortunately, I don’t have allot of SPARE time to hang around these places, because, you guessed it, if I don’t work there, I have to work somewhere else! Lose-lose.
Well, I guess you’re just fucked then, aren’t you? If you don’t want to take a fairly menial job at the place, or spend most of your non-working-hour time there trying to pick up any info you can, you are a loser, yes. Can I introduce you to inky3936? Susan http://scamptattoo.com
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Another comment I question is one made that states, "Don’t get into tattooing for the money" well, why not? Aren’t many of the tattooists out there into it for the money? If not, why are tattoos so expensive?
Do you have ANY idea what the overhead is to run my shop, let alone a really busy one? lets start, rent, insurance (ask ray about that, it aint cheap) licencing, supplies (gloves, ink, needles, etc…) electricity in Texas Isn’t cheap, in fact it is quite expensive, wages for tattoo artists and counter help, Flash, jewerly (we do piercings also)should I go on? overhead on my shop runs me about $20,000.00 + per MONTH. I dont live in a big house or drive a fancy car, i pay my bills and do what I LOVE to do, not for the money, but becasue I enjoy it. If you are in it for the money, you are in it for the wrong reason and wont last in this industry, no one likes a greedy tattoo artist. I’m an excellent artist, I just don’t know how to tattoo. If I did, I could turn out some beautiful one of a kind work, that’s because I know I’m that good.
then draw flash and sell it, you wont be spreading any diseases or hurting anyone. Well, in college, my professor didn’t make money off me.
Who the hell paid his salary? or did he teach for free out of the good graces in his heart? Where do you think that tuition money went? I would be working for the shop owner making him money.
that is a REALLY bad attitude to have, ask any shop owner. Holly the crappy speller
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<snip I’m not an ass, I’m not an idiot. I’m just not knowlegeable…yet.
Up until this post, I might have agreed with you. — sarahmonster change 0 to o to reply http://lawngnome.net/mod
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Bullshit. A LOT of people can draw; not everyone can tattoo.
Apparantly. —–.
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S i think it might have something to do with the "suck my cock and die" S comment you made a while back. GRIDS is forever. lish 31.4% / 24
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how come you get all bent outta shape when i offer to suck your dick, but then you want to fuck everyone else in the NG? *** It’s the fact that you are a carrier of the Ultimate Cold.
actually, i got my results today and i’m negative. is it cos i’m a desperate and pathetic ho? *** No one has every paid for you. You are not a whore. Actually, even putting your name in the same sentance as the word ‘whore’, cheapens the word.
blame Heidi. david
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actually, i got my results today and i’m negative.
I thought you got dropped last week some time, returning the negative honors to bertrang, where they really truly belong. (-6 currently) *** No one has every paid for you. You are not a whore. blame Heidi.
Why, is she yer pimp or something?
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ALL tattoo needles are disposable, and damn well should be. albert
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I’m looking for some info, maybe someone out there can help me. I’ve been involved in art in some form or another for most of my life. I am just recently however crossing over into the tattooing field. It seems that there is NOT alot of call for beginners to start marking up someone elses skin. I’ve done the orange/grapefruit thing. And it doesn’t seem that too many shops here in NH are all that willing to take on apprentices. When I have found one, they usually want a hefty amount of $$ up front. (Does this seem the norm?) Anyways, I’ll get to the point. I have done several smaller tattoos on friends,assuring them that if they didn’t like them, I would pay for cover-ups or removal, (I guess that’s a bit cocky, but there have been no complaints yet.) The kit I own, (the Huck Spaulding set-up w/ 3 needle liner and 5 needle shader) is fine for now. It came with half a dozen needles of each. My questions involve sterilizing. I’ve used almost all the needles once. I don’t own an autoclave and they seem too expensive for a beginner. Since the needles I have used were covered with rubber tips, straight from the factory, I just doused them with alcohol, then bleach and rinsed them with distilled water before use. So far, no problems? I haven’t used any of them twice, and don’t intend to, until I can sterilize them. But what about disposable needles? Do they make them? Are they any good? Where do I get them? Are they made for any machine? Does anyone in the area sterilize stuff for a fee? Any and all responses will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read this somewhat lengthy letter. Sincerely GravelPit
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*** It’s the fact that you are a carrier of the Ultimate Cold.
DRG actually, i got my results today and i’m negative. as if. what queer man would get a biohazard tattoo if he were hiv-? no one believes you, david. AIDSy. GRIDSy. lish 31.4% / 24
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ALL tattoo needles are disposable, and damn well should be. albert
hey!!! you finally got a fact right. Damn I’m impressed. R
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I have around 38 tattoos not many compared to some but none of them came close to making me pass out. Not even my first and I wasn’t into S&M then and am not so now. And no it feels nothing like a needle being stuck into your wrist. I have both wrists tattooed and the most I had was the normal amount of pain from a tattoo (minimal to moderate) and a twitching in my middle finger as the needle stimulated the tendon. It is your call, but if done right it is not an unpleasant experience and one you can be proud of for your lifetime. just my 1/50th of a dollar — Peace Paul Vandine Custom Knife Purveyor "We support the small maker" http://www.circlepknives.com