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I’ve been 18 since January of this year and want to get a tattoo. I’m a senior in high school and lately, there’s been a ton of people that are getting tattoos in my grade. The only problem is I have two choices and can’t decide which one to get . My first choice is that since I’m a runner (Four years of Cross Country and a combined eight seasons of winter and spring track.) I want to get the runners foot. The only problem is that everyone that I see isn’t good engough for my tattoo, I keep coming across the ones in sandals, I want one in a shoe, almost like a runner’s shoe. The next one is just your average run of the mill tribal sun. I like this because of the fact that it’s at every shop and there’s a ton of them. The spot that I would get it on is my lower calf, right above my ankle. The one that I’m leaning towards is the foot, becuase of the fact that it’s going to be the only one that I know of. The only question is where would I find a picture of a more modern foot, not the one in the sandal. I really want to get this one before the end of the year, so I can have my fifteen minutes of fame. This would really help me out. If I can’t find a good picture of one, about how much woulf it cost to have one custom drawn? Also, how much would it cost, I want it to be small, this way it looks tastful. Thanks alot.

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Also, how much would it cost, I want it to be small

*** Three hundred and fifty dollars. Plus a four dollar tip. Hope this helps you. Good luck! — k e i t h   a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9         boodoe – - e n d   t r a n s m i s s i o n – -

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[snip]want to get a tattoo. [snip] first choice [snip] runners foot.

http://images.google.com/images?q=track+foot [snip] next [snip] tribal sun.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tribal+sun [snip] cost to have one custom drawn? [snip]

Cost would vary from zero to sky’s the limit for the drawing. The shop minimum at Visual Addiction was $75.00 for a tattoo. Call a shop local to you to get more information, of course. Befriend an artist at your school? If there are no good artists in your classes then how close are you to the nearest art school/university? And I’d go for wings tattooed without the shoe a la Mercury, but the link above offers a few images with the shoe versus sandal. I was four years cross country and two years track in high school, by the way. Best of luck with your decision. — Curt http://curt_james.livejournal.com/ — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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J I want it to be small, this way it looks tastful.         then i certainly can’t help you. http://tinyurl.com/ail9 lish                                               "no one is too young 40.1% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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The only problem is that everyone that I see isn’t good engough for my tattoo

so get a whole bunch of pictures that are sort of what you want, find a good artist who will be able to take your idea and draw exactly what you want, and have her put it on your skin. If you’re worried that they can’t draw very good, think about whether they’ll be able to draw very good when they’re using a needle on skin? The next one is just your average run of the mill tribal sun. I like this because of the fact that it’s at every shop and there’s a ton of them.

this is a good thing because…? if you need to get something the tattooist has done a million times, just to make sure he doesn’t fuck it up, chances are you’re at the wrong place. if you need to get something on your skin so that you’ll match all your friends, get a stick-on. if you want something a little more "daring" to match all your friends, get a belly button ring or eyebrow barbell. leave the permanent stuff for people who won’t regret it before they even graduate college. — * ** *** **** ***** ****** Mercedes ****** ***** **** *** ** *   SPAMGUARD: remove Pi (think back to high school) from email.

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Jay wrote… The only problem is that everyone that I see isn’t good engough for my tattoo, I keep coming across the ones in sandals, I want one in a shoe, almost like a runner’s shoe. The next one is just your average run of the mill tribal sun. I like this because of the fact that it’s at every shop and there’s a ton of them. The spot that I would get it on is my lower calf, right above my ankle. The one that I’m leaning towards is the foot, becuase of the fact that it’s going to be the only one that I know of.

You like one tattoo because nobody else has it and the other one because it’s everywhere? Rethink your motivation for getting a tattoo, realize you have more than two choices. The only question is where would I find a picture of a more modern foot, not the one in the sandal. I really want to get this one before the end of the year, so I can have my fifteen minutes of fame. This would really help me out.

You are going to have this for the rest of your life. It’s neither advantageous nor wise to rush it. Are 15 minutes of fame worth a lifetime of regret or an assload of money for laser removal? If I can’t find a good picture of one, about how much woulf it cost to have one custom drawn? Also, how much would it cost, I want it to be small, this way it looks tastful.

More likely, it will look like a cheap temporary tattoo, applied in the spur of the moment. Larger tattoos give you the possibility to adapt them to your body. A skilled tattoo artist will draw a custom design for you. Cost should be your least concern, you can always save up. Cheap tattoos look cheap. Seriously, you need to put more thought into this. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jay wrote… The only problem is that everyone that I see isn’t good engough for my tattoo, I keep coming across the ones in sandals, I want one in a shoe, almost like a runner’s shoe. The next one is just your average run of the mill tribal sun. I like this because of the fact that it’s at every shop and there’s a ton of them. The spot that I would get it on is my lower calf, right above my ankle. The one that I’m leaning towards is the foot, becuase of the fact that it’s going to be the only one that I know of. You like one tattoo because nobody else has it and the other one because it’s everywhere? Rethink your motivation for getting a tattoo, realize you have more than two choices. The only question is where would I find a picture of a more modern foot, not the one in the sandal. I really want to get this one before the end of the year, so I can have my fifteen minutes of fame. This would really help me out. You are going to have this for the rest of your life. It’s neither advantageous nor wise to rush it. Are 15 minutes of fame worth a lifetime of regret or an assload of money for laser removal? If I can’t find a good picture of one, about how much woulf it cost to have one custom drawn? Also, how much would it cost, I want it to be small, this way it looks tastful. More likely, it will look like a cheap temporary tattoo, applied in the spur of the moment. Larger tattoos give you the possibility to adapt them to your body. A skilled tattoo artist will draw a custom design for you. Cost should be your least concern, you can always save up. Cheap tattoos look cheap. Seriously, you need to put more thought into this. Nina

What I ment to say is that, I want one not just because of the fact that everyone is getting one, I want one so I can express myself. I though about it long and hard and I really want to get one.

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What I ment to say is that, I want one not just because of the fact that everyone is getting one, I want one so I can express myself. I though about it long and hard and I really want to get one.

How long? . Take a look at what’s possible in tattoo art by perusing the links on lish’s list: http://compunction.dyndns.org/tattoos.html Then see if you still want an itty bitty thing. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net

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What I ment to say is that, I want one not just because of the fact that everyone is getting one, I want one so I can express myself. I though about it long and hard and I really want to get one.

i just don’t understand. why do you write stuff like this then (initial post): Jay: "The next one is just your average run of the mill tribal sun. I like this because of the fact that it’s at every shop and there’s a ton of them [snip] I really want to get this one before the end of the year, so I can have my fifteen minutes of fame." anyways just find a good artist (take a look at the portfolios), ask him/her to draw it up (if she/he can’t draw he/she sucks anyways) and if you like it get it tattooed. price? well unless you walk outside afterwards to get hit by a bus it generally is very cheap is you spread it out over your possible lifespan.

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custom drawn? Also, how much would it cost, I want it to be small, this way it looks tastful. Thanks alot.

     Actually, of the people I meet who regret some of their tattoos, a very popular complaint is that they wish they had gotten the tat bigger.  This all depends on the size of your body and arms, etc.  But you should fit the tattoo to YOUR body size.  I dinky little Micky’s bee on a huge football player’s arm looks a bit funny.      Getting the opinions of your friends and family can certainly help you crystalize your decision. Slick

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Ok, I see that some people are extremely confused with what I was trying to say. Let me see if I can try and clear up what I was trying to say. First off, I want to thank Curt for giving me those links to the pictures of what I was looking for. I looked through the pictures of the tribal suns and thought to myself how unorginial that getting one would be. It’s too common to see a tribal tattoo today. Almost too common to see almost every tough guy in the world either getting a tribal or something else that looks tough. I then looked at the track feet and discovered that the one I picked first, should have been the one I went with all along. The runner’s foot, which is going to be my choice, doesn’t look as good with a more modern shoe. However, it does look good in a sandal, which is going to be my choice. Now, to clear up my thing to Nina and everything else, the size thing. The location that I want to get my tattoo is either on my calf or right above my ankle, but I’m leaning more toward my calf. I want it to be big enough so that when people see it, this way when they see it they don’t have to ask me what it is. So, my next question is if I get in above my ankle, how big, in inches, should it be. If I get it on my calf, which is what I’m leaning towards more, how big should it be. Should I make it about six inches or go a little bigger. Your help is appereated to me in doing this right. Thank you and I’m sorry for being so confusing to you all.

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[snip] those links to the pictures of what I was looking for. [snip]

Cool. [snip]looked at the track feet and discovered that the one I picked first, should have been the one I went with all along. [snip] sandal, which is going to be my choice. [snip]So, my next question is if I get in above my ankle, how big, in inches,

You could have it start on the outside of your ankle and extend to the midpoint at the back of your calf. What, about four or five inches? But, again, and this is only my preference, if you’re getting it near your ankle I’d go with wing only. should it be. If I get it on my calf, which is what I’m leaning towards more, how big should it be. Should I make it about six inches or go a little bigger.

http://wwwehs.lkwash.wednet.edu/wings.jpg The only sandal I could find during a brief Google search, but an illustrated version of the sandal and wings would rock, imo. Best of luck in choosing the right artist and size for you, but I agree with any who prefer a larger image. [snip] Thank you and I’m sorry for being so confusing to you all.

No apology necessary, Jay. Grist for the mill. I’m not the only RAB patron who loves drama. Welcome to the hutch. Please report back. And: http://rabbithole.org/ — Curt http://curt_james.livejournal.com/ — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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the tribal suns and thought to myself how unorginial that getting one would be.

*** You DID say you liked it because you see them in all the shops, did you not? — k e i t h   a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9           vote – - e n d   t r a n s m i s s i o n – -

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J I want it to be small, this way it looks tastful.    then i certainly can’t help you. http://tinyurl.com/ail9

Good thing you contributed unhelpfully, then.

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The only sandal I could find during a brief Google search, but an illustrated version of the sandal and wings would rock, imo.

yes. that would be hermes, the herald of the olympian gods, the god of the travelers, which is very fitting to what you seek. sometimes depicted with sandals or boots with wings. more info about hermes: http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hermes.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes and for images: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&newwindow=1&s…

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the tribal suns and thought to myself how unorginial that getting one would be. *** You DID say you liked it because you see them in all the shops, did you not?

yeah which was actually that what made it all confusing. and about size it’s quite simple: go big or go home. seriously. so many people are bummed out because they wanted it small. you’re not collecting stamps but tattoos.

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Jay wrote… Now, to clear up my thing to Nina and everything else, the size thing. The location that I want to get my tattoo is either on my calf or right above my ankle, but I’m leaning more toward my calf. I want it to be big enough so that when people see it, this way when they see it they don’t have to ask me what it is.

*g* that’s kind of the opposite of "I want it small so it looks tasteful" . So, now that we’ve established that we all agreed from the start: it’s difficult to come up with a size recommendation. It depends on your leg as much as on the actual design. Personally, I’d take my ideas to a skilled artist, and have them design the piece on my leg. I could imagine the side of the upper calf as a good spot for such a design. With that one idea, you still have a plethora of choices for the actual tattoo, you don’t have bring a finished design that’s going to be transferred 1:1. If you like the look of blackwork ("tribal") design, you could have the piece done in that style, or maybe as a biomechanical piece (think the Alien design by H.R. Giger), in color, in black&white, in black&grey, even white only. Find an artist whose style you like (and who does quality work), and let them have at it. If you tell us where you are, maybe someone can give you a recommendation. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net

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J I want it to be small, this way it looks tastful.       then i certainly can’t help you. http://tinyurl.com/ail9

JM Good thing you contributed unhelpfully, then.         perhaps, but at least i didn’t do so anonymously. lish                              "i know she’s a pretty good read, but 40.1% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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J pictures of what I was looking for. I looked through the pictures of J the tribal suns and thought to myself how unorginial that getting one J would be. It’s too common to see a tribal tattoo today. Almost too J common to see almost every tough guy in the world either getting a         check this out:         if you do something because it’s trendy OR if you DON’T do something because it’s trendy, it’s the same thing. you’re letting society make your choices.         if you like the fucking blackwork suns, get one. if you don’t like them, don’t get one. but don’t balance your decision on commonality, because then your choice will be a farce. lish                                         "well i, i might be wrong, 40.1% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jay wrote… Now, to clear up my thing to Nina and everything else, the size thing. The location that I want to get my tattoo is either on my calf or right above my ankle, but I’m leaning more toward my calf. I want it to be big enough so that when people see it, this way when they see it they don’t have to ask me what it is. *g* that’s kind of the opposite of "I want it small so it looks tasteful" . So, now that we’ve established that we all agreed from the start: it’s difficult to come up with a size recommendation. It depends on your leg as much as on the actual design. Personally, I’d take my ideas to a skilled artist, and have them design the piece on my leg. I could imagine the side of the upper calf as a good spot for such a design.

     Whatever design you come up with Jay, bring it to a copy place or scan it, and then make several enlargements or shrinkages, beyond what you think is the correct size now.  Placing these on your leg will give you a better idea of what size you should go with.   And ask your friends for their opinion too. Slick

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     Whatever design you come up with Jay, bring it to a copy place or scan it, and then make several enlargements or shrinkages, beyond what you think is the correct size now.  Placing these on your leg will give you a better idea of what size you should go with.   And ask your friends for their opinion too.

Fine for getting a better idea before ever setting foot in a tattoo shop. If, however, a tattoo ‘artist’ tells you to bring a finished design, adjusted to the proper size, like Slick does in his ads, *run*. A skilled artist will be able to draw the design on you, in different sizes if need be, which will give you a much better idea. Designs on paper can’t take the shape of your leg into account. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net

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about size it’s quite simple: go big or go home.

*** Not really. What was lame was the "I want it small so it’s tasteful." Size has naught to do with content. — k e i t h   a l e x a n d e r http://www.nootrope.net http://www.modernamerican.com aim: nootrope9           vote – - e n d   t r a n s m i s s i o n – -

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(steakzombies) coughed and sputtered, and managed to choke out these words: and about size it’s quite simple: go big or go home.

again: http://www.bmezine.com/tattoo/A40726/high/superman0.jpg david — "Being lectured by the President on fiscal responsibility is a little bit like Tony Soprano talking to me about law and order in this country." -John Kerry

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again: http://www.bmezine.com/tattoo/A40726/high/superman0.jpg

I love that tattoo.  That is what you call "aspirational." — vanity domain: www.mssunlight.co.uk To reply replaces prunes with com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      Whatever design you come up with Jay, bring it to a copy place or scan it, and then make several enlargements or shrinkages, beyond what you think is the correct size now.  Placing these on your leg will give you a better idea of what size you should go with.   And ask your friends for their opinion too. Fine for getting a better idea before ever setting foot in a tattoo shop. If, however, a tattoo ‘artist’ tells you to bring a finished design, adjusted to the proper size, like Slick does in his ads, *run*. A skilled artist will be able to draw the design on you, in different sizes if need be, which will give you a much better idea. Designs on paper can’t take the shape of your leg into account.

     God, I love it when you get snappy with me!  lol!      To clarify, I certainly do shitloads of original designs, many drawn on the skin directly beforehand ala Pinky Yun.        However, I most certainly DO encourage people to do their own research before i haul all my equipment to their place, even if it’s only reference material to be modified and combined into something completely new and original.      I don’t expect a vet to understand how a tattoo customer can use up hours of an tattooists time, and then not even get the tattoo.  That’s why many artists will charge you per hour for draw/sketch/design time…and they really should. Life would be so much easier if people knew what they wanted, eh?      So when is the Nina Baltes calendar coming out?  I’d obviously prefer a bikini calendar, but if you insist on chopping up a different animal each month, so be it. Slick

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Hi, someone has try the Tribal Tattoo Design Software ???

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Hi, someone has try the Tribal Tattoo Design Software ???

Quale un? The search string Tribal+Tattoo+Design+Software produced a few. Guardare qui. (Or something like that.) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Tribal+Tattoo+Desi… — Curt http://curtjames.com/ — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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questo e’ meglio This is better h**p://www.tribalsoft.net

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I was wondering if anyone has any information where i can find resources about trends in tattoos.  I am doing an article about how tribal tattoo art is disappearing and being replaced by more tattoos with japanese influences.  I myself have eight tattoos, mostly japanese inspired pieces, and I was just wondering what people think about the trend.  Is it a good thing or a bad thing.  If anyone knows where i can find more information, please let me know. Love Liz (AKA the Asian Persuasion)

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I was wondering if anyone has any information where i can find resources about trends in tattoos.  I am doing an article about how tribal tattoo art is disappearing and being replaced by more tattoos with japanese influences.  I myself have eight tattoos, mostly japanese inspired pieces, and I was just wondering what people think about the trend.  Is it a good thing or a bad thing.  If anyone knows where i can find more information, please let me know. Love Liz (AKA the Asian Persuasion)

Whaaa??? HuhHHH? Posting via the Google groups. Hmmmm…..Wonder if "trends in tattoos" was entered into the Google search engine. May easier to let someone else do the research!! Someone

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I was wondering if anyone has any information where i can find resources about trends in tattoos.  I am doing an article about how tribal tattoo art is disappearing and being replaced by more tattoos with japanese influences.  I myself have eight tattoos, mostly japanese inspired pieces, and I was just wondering what people think about the trend.  Is it a good thing or a bad thing.

I’d be pretty fucking pissed if my blackwork disappeared and was replaced by a japanese inspired piece. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                             Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net

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tribal tattoo art is disappearing and being replaced by more tattoos with japanese influences.  I myself have eight tattoos, mostly

NB I’d be pretty fucking pissed if my blackwork disappeared and was NB replaced by a japanese inspired piece.         pffffhahah         ahem.         i dunno, nina, it’d go fairly well with the dragonfly. lish                          "get off chemo & die like a fucking man." 38.5% / 30                                                RANA 125 / 68

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Hello everybody ! I am searching for a tatoo template that looks a bit like a mixture between a tribal and a dragon. I attached a little picture with an example of what I am thinking of.

Hey Rolf, did you see anything that suggest this is a binaries group? Didn’t think so. Go away.  Now. Kavin

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Kavin Taylor schrieb: Hey Rolf, did you see anything that suggest this is a binaries group? Didn’t think so. Go away.  Now.

I think all hope is lost for him. He posted in one German newsgroup, with the picture, was told to post in de.rec.bodyart, but without the picture, he then did post to de.r.b – with the picture. This was, of course, several hours before posting here. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.                         Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net http://iam.bmezine.com/?chaotropic

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Let me explain… no, there is too much. Let me sum up:

God damn, that movie rocks. Jess —           "Never buy more than one slinky because they will eventually           become intertwined." – Andy Steinburg, Louisville, Kentucky         LadyJ is available at www.ladyj.net and fine stores everywhere.

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If all else fails, why doesn’t the little twerp email Busta’s publicist or something, make up some lie like, "I’m doing a webpage on famous people’s tattoos and could I have a good clear photo of it?". They probably won’t be any more helpful, but at least he’d have gone to a closer authority on all things Busta. Besides, essentially he’s a starfucker. It’s no different than all those assholes I’ve met at NIN and Marilyn Manson concerts who think that have a tattoo of the band’s logo puts them at a higher level of fan-ness than the rest of us grunts, or, even worse, those of them who figure that if they show said tattoo to their idol he’ll become their best friend or something. As if Reznor’s not seen a million of them already. (just a little rant inspired by a recent NIN concert, having to wait in line with the above mentioned assholes.) Frankly this guy sounds like the way my circle of friends was at age 14 -16. (Before we knew any better.) One would hope he’ll grow out of it before he accumulates enough money from his paper route to get that tattoo… — – Draculea "And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere up in space because there’s bugger all down here on Earth"       – Monty Python

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You know, I guess what bothers me the most about all the crap that winds up in newsgroups these days is how useless these newsgroups have become.  I remember a time when you could actually get quality answers to questions without ignorant responses and opinions.  It really is a shame that the quality has gone down so much and that people waste so much of their time on nonsense rather than contributing to other’s lives regardless of how they would like to live it and how you (generic term) may think it incorrect.

When I ask a serious question, I get helpful answers. The secret is to do as much research on the subject as you can to start out with, and when it comes to asking others for help and/or opinions, ask nicely and ask the right questions. More importantly, I’m a contributing member of the group, so people will more willingly help me than someone they don’t know who comes in from nowhere asking how they can get a tattoo just like someone else’s. Moreover, if you were a regular here, you’d know how much people here abhor the concept of ripping off someone else’s custom work, and even if you didn’t agree, you would have had the foresight to ask so that you might get a tattoo "based on" that piece, with changes to make it unique. But you’re not a regular, and you’re not that smart. I guess the seemingly anonymous nature of the Internet encourages people to erronously believe (unconciously perhaps?) that what they say and do here won’t impact them in RL.  The rudeness that goes on here would rarely occur in real life because there would probably be hell to pay from the person you were insulting.

I act on rab almost exactly how I act in real life. I know for a fact that yttrx does as well. So does angie. So does heidi. So does Keith Alexander. So does Barry. The list goes on and on. You know how I know this? I’ve met them in person. This is not a completely anonymous group. If you had lurked, you would know that this is a newsgroup that has many get togethers, sometimes with people travelling from other countries. That’s why we have more respect for the questions from people we’ve met face to face, or at least those who are a recognizable presence on the group. Hell, even if someone can prove with their demeanor that they’ve lurked and read the FAQs, we treat them well. We do this because it’s less likely that person is a parasite, demanding what they want so they can flit away afterwards and give nothing back. You are a parasite. Worse yet, you’re a whiny bitchass parasite who cries about unfairness. Of course, I don’t know why I’m even bothering with this since it isn’t going to change anything in the least.

Well, you caught me in a moment when I felt magnanimous enough to explain what it was you did wrong. If you learn from it, perhaps things *will* change. Please folks, don’t waste any more time on this thread.  If you’ve got something relevant to answering my questions rather than voicing your opinions about how I decide to live my life, just send me some email.  I don’t know any of you so I really don’t care about those opinions nor would I expect you to care about mine (hence the stupid idealism of this post).

I do not take usenet conversations to email, unless they are truly private matters. You made your faux pas publicly, and I hope others will learn from your mistakes, even should you refuse to do so. Also, back to the original subject (tattoos, which is what this newsgroup is supposed to be about):  I do know that there is a picture on his latest album. That’s where I saw it.  I’m trying to find a clearer/larger picture.  There is a flash video on his home page that shows it, but its also too small and the light reflecting of it makes parts of it difficult to see.

This group is about much more than tattoos. I’ll tell you specifically what it’s not about. It’s not about catering to whiny parasites. When you’re willing to examine what it was that you did to encourage criticism, come back and talk to us. Until then, I wish you well with your rip-off tattoo, and encourage you never to post here again. Jess —                "Dont tell me I’m burning the candle at both ends.                    Tell me where to get more wax!" – unknown         LadyJ is available at www.ladyj.net and fine stores everywhere.

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You know, I guess what bothers me the most about all the crap that winds up in newsgroups these days is how useless these newsgroups have become.

I you know that they’re useless, why try to use them? Do you try to brush your teeth with a rotten toothbrush, eat moldy pizza, or bake food in an unplugged oven? I remember a time when you could actually get quality answers to questions without ignorant responses and opinions.

I don’t think so. Sure, the population of Usenet has increased. Likewise, the amount of information transmitted has increased, also increasing the level of spam. However, Usenet does not exist so that a person (you) can ask a question, and the other people (we) can answer it with only factual information, having researched it and detached our feelings and opinions from the answer. We are not answer-monkeys. The way Usenet does work, and has worked for quite some time, is different. A person (you) posts a query. The other people (we) read the query and are free to communicate our reaction (factual, helpful, opinionated, insulting, etc) to this query. Not being answer-monkeys, we don’t have to give you anything more that the reason why you suck for asking this question. I don’t post here just to help and be helped. Most of the messages I post do not directly pertain to asking a question or answering a question. They also express my opinions on things. It really is a shame that the quality has gone down so much and that people waste so much of their time on nonsense rather than contributing to other’s lives regardless of how they would like to live it and how you (generic term) may think it incorrect.

Let me explain… no, there is too much. Let me sum up: You want to copy another person’s tattoo. Survey says: XXX You get your little whiny underpants in a whopping big knot. I guess the seemingly anonymous nature of the Internet encourages people to erronously believe (unconciously perhaps?) that what they say and do here won’t impact them in RL.  The rudeness that goes on here would rarely occur in real life because there would probably be hell to pay from the person you were insulting.

I am not anonymous. I am also not saying to you ANYTHING I would not say to you if we were sitting on your sofa sipping iced tea. Where do you live? Of course, I don’t know why I’m even bothering with this since it isn’t going to change anything in the least.

Oops. Your bad. Jesse: Expressing opinions on why we disagree with the copying of others’ tattoo is not telling you how to live. It really isn’t. Pictures (apparently unsatisfactory to you) of Busta’s tattoo are all over the place. On his album, on his website, on fan pages. I’m sure compiling all of those sources and taking them to a decent tattoo artist would reproduce the work in question. Sara — saram AT wam.umd.edu, RANA-53 *amputate the ‘pinkies’ to reply* http://www.waxpaper.net "I just like having scantily-clad, buxom women aroumd my room."

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I remember a time …

*** BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You lose. I guess the seemingly anonymous nature of the Internet encourages people to erronously believe (unconciously perhaps?) that what they say and do here won’t impact them in RL.  

*** Anon my ass. Visit my sites. You can find me. Reeeeal easy. What was your original question again? Oh yeah… You wanna rip-off Busta’s tattoo. Piss off. k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r w w w . n o o t r o p e . n e t / m o d e r n a m e r i c a n . c o m / — e n d  t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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I’m trying to find a clearer/larger picture.  There is a flash video on his home page that shows it, but its also too small and the light reflecting of it makes parts of it difficult to see.

*** BUY THE CD. YOU UNCREATIVE FUCK! Better yet, pay some money to HAVE AN ORIGINAL DESIGN DONE! Lamer. k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r w w w . n o o t r o p e . n e t / m o d e r n a m e r i c a n . c o m / — e n d  t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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*snip a bunch of meaningless whiney bullshit* I guess the seemingly anonymous nature of the Internet encourages people to erronously believe (unconciously perhaps?) that what they say and do here won’t impact them in RL.  The rudeness that goes on here would rarely occur in real life because there would probably be hell to pay from the person you were insulting.

Yeah?  If this were real life, id smack you upside the head, and I wouldnt fear retaliation via "hell to pay" one teensy bit. Please folks, don’t waste any more time on this thread.  If you’ve got something relevant to answering my questions rather than voicing your opinions about how I decide to live my life, just send me some email.  I don’t know any of you so I really don’t care about those opinions nor would I expect you to care about mine (hence the stupid idealism of this post).

What the fuck did you post here for then?  What the hell is the matter with you? Also, back to the original subject (tattoos, which is what this newsgroup is supposed to be about):  

Wrong, and if youd read the charter, any of the FAQs or the survival guide, youd know that. I do know that there is a picture on his latest album. That’s where I saw it.  I’m trying to find a clearer/larger picture.  There is a flash video on his home page that shows it, but its also too small and the light reflecting of it makes parts of it difficult to see.

Die. —–yttrx

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: I’ve got the perfect image. : : Have you been to http://www.busta-rhymes.com/?  Check out the intro, : which is nothing but his backpiece dancing around. : : Glad I could help.  :) Once again, Amy is being helpful to those less intelligent, because Amy is a sweetheart like that.  :)  And to think, the little schmuck emailed you for being rude.  I think shun’s been writing your email address on the bathroom walls or something. Just a theory… — skyelass "Tolerate me, goddammit!" — rab, Meghan 06/00

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<snip I think shun’s been writing your email address on the bathroom walls or something.

and on prison bathroom walls, at that. david

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*posted & mailed* Also, back to the original subject (tattoos, which is what this newsgroup is supposed to be about):  I do know that there is a picture on his latest album. That’s where I saw it.  I’m trying to find a clearer/larger picture.  There is a flash video on his home page that shows it, but its also too small and the light reflecting of it makes parts of it difficult to see.

I’ve got the perfect image. Have you been to http://www.busta-rhymes.com/?  Check out the intro, which is nothing but his backpiece dancing around. Glad I could help.  :) — WyrdWoman http://www.wyrdwoman.com/

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You know, I guess what bothers me the most about all the crap that winds up in newsgroups these days is how useless these newsgroups have become.  I remember a time when you could actually get quality answers to questions without ignorant responses and opinions.  It really is a shame that the quality has gone down so much and that people waste so much of their time on nonsense rather than contributing to other’s lives regardless of how they would like to live it and how you (generic term) may think it incorrect. I guess the seemingly anonymous nature of the Internet encourages people to erronously believe (unconciously perhaps?) that what they say and do here won’t impact them in RL.  The rudeness that goes on here would rarely occur in real life because there would probably be hell to pay from the person you were insulting. Of course, I don’t know why I’m even bothering with this since it isn’t going to change anything in the least. Please folks, don’t waste any more time on this thread.  If you’ve got something relevant to answering my questions rather than voicing your opinions about how I decide to live my life, just send me some email.  I don’t know any of you so I really don’t care about those opinions nor would I expect you to care about mine (hence the stupid idealism of this post). Also, back to the original subject (tattoos, which is what this newsgroup is supposed to be about):  I do know that there is a picture on his latest album. That’s where I saw it.  I’m trying to find a clearer/larger picture.  There is a flash video on his home page that shows it, but its also too small and the light reflecting of it makes parts of it difficult to see. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : When you were in school, did you copy your reports : straight from the encyclopedias?  Or did you just tear : out the pages to turn in? : : Please do not compare plagiarism with, uh, lamerism. My apologies…  Copying from the encyclopedia is much better than just tearing out the page.   It shows you’re willing to put some effort into it. Copying someone’s tattoo takes about as much creativity as ripping that page, though…  :) — skyelass "Tolerate me, goddammit!" — rab, Meghan 06/00

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: : Busta Rhymes has a tribal tattoo on his back.  Anyone either : 1)  Have a good, clear picture of it (I can’t find one anywhere : on the net), 2) know where he got it, or 3) have flash of it. : : From what I can see of it, it’s pretty damn cool and I’d like : to get one  like it.  Please reply directly to me via email. : Thanks!! When you were in school, did you copy your reports straight from the encyclopedias?  Or did you just tear out the pages to turn in? — skyelass "Tolerate me, goddammit!" — rab, Meghan 06/00

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When you were in school, did you copy your reports straight from the encyclopedias?  Or did you just tear out the pages to turn in?

Please do not compare plagiarism with, uh, lamerism. — WyrdWoman  (a former friend of the former in HS)  :) http://www.wyrdwoman.com/

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Id like to take this opportunity to point out that busta rhymes kicks ass.

My only problem is that I can’t sing along to his songs for more than four words at a time.  He raps too fast.  I might even go so far as to say that much of his lyrics are the spoken equivalent to Judith’s — WyrdWoman (blah blah blah blah gimme some more) http://www.wyrdwoman.com/

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Busta Rhymes has a tribal tattoo on his back.  Anyone either 1)  Have a good, clear picture of it (I can’t find one anywhere on the net), 2) know where he got it, or 3) have flash of it. From what I can see of it, it’s pretty damn cool and I’d like to get one like it.  Please reply directly to me via email.  Thanks!!

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Busta Rhymes has a tribal tattoo on his back.  Anyone either 1)  Have a good, clear picture of it (I can’t find one anywhere on the net),

*** It’s on his ALBUM, genius 2)know where he got it, or

*** His BACK! 3) have flash of it.

*** Lame From what I can see of it, it’s pretty damn cool and I’d like to get one like it.  

***Lamer Please reply directly to me via email.  Thanks!!

*** Lamest. k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r w w w . n o o t r o p e . n e t / m o d e r n a m e r i c a n . c o m / — e n d  t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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Id like to take this opportunity to point out that busta rhymes kicks ass. Thank you. —–yttrx

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I’m curious, did you email yttrx and SkyeLass and the others who legitimately insulted you? You are an uncreative moron.  There.  Now I’ve insulted you. — WyrdWoman http://www.wyrdwoman.com/

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I’m curious, did you email yttrx and SkyeLass and the others who legitimately insulted you?

*** ME ME ME! He did ME ME ME ME ME ME ME! k e i t h . a l e x a n d e r w w w . n o o t r o p e . n e t / m o d e r n a m e r i c a n . c o m / — e n d  t r a n s m i s s i o n —

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I’m curious, did you email yttrx and SkyeLass and the others who legitimately insulted you?

I didnt get emailed.   I am to be a feared. —–yttrx

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: : When you were in school, did you copy your reports : straight from the encyclopedias?  Or did you just tear : out the pages to turn in? : : Please do not compare plagiarism with, uh, lamerism. My apologies…  Copying from the encyclopedia is much better than just tearing out the page.   It shows you’re willing to put some effort into it. Copying someone’s tattoo takes about as much creativity as ripping that page, though…  :) — skyelass "Tolerate me, goddammit!" — rab, Meghan 06/00

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: don’t email me. I’m curious, did you email yttrx and SkyeLass : and the others who legitimately insulted you? : : You are an uncreative moron.  There.  Now I’ve insulted you. : Goddammit!  I didn’t get emailed.  I’ll just have to be meaner next time. — skyelass "Tolerate me, goddammit!" — rab, Meghan 06/00

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Goddammit!  I didn’t get emailed.  I’ll just have to be meaner next time.

You make me sick. I guess I’m just lucky. — WyrdWoman http://www.wyrdwoman.com/

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Also, back to the original subject (tattoos, which is what this newsgroup is supposed to be about):  I do know that there is a picture on his latest album. That’s where I saw it.  I’m trying to find a clearer/larger picture.  There is a flash video on his home page that shows it, but its also too small and the light reflecting of it makes parts of it difficult to see.

*whoosh* i think the point you are missing is that copying someones tattoo is really lame. if you want a tattoo cool. go down to your artist hand him some money and have him design something especially for you. don’t copy other people’s work. — luke

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You know, I guess what bothers me the most about all the crap that winds up in newsgroups these days is how useless these newsgroups have become. I remember a time when you could actually get quality answers to questions without ignorant responses and opinions.  It really is a shame that the quality has gone down so much and that people waste so much of their time on nonsense rather than contributing to other’s lives regardless of how they would like to live it and how you (generic term) may think it incorrect.

if you want that, write to ann landers.  i’m sure she can help. david — RANA +/- 29 DON’T . . GO . . . THERE –Kavin, RAB, 30/07/00 http://www.bmeworld.com/myneedle

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I have been considering a neo-tribal tattoo design for some time now. However, someone told me that black pigments tend to blur after a period of 20 years or so. Now, I realize that black (or any pigment) can break down if exposed to excessive sunlight/uv, which is why you see alot of WWII era greenish arm tattoos now, but I’d never heard of them blurring.  I also realize that the ’state-of-the-art’ in pigments has changed quite a bit since then too, so it’s possible no one will know about the newer pigments drifting for another 15 years or so. Does anyone have any information/opinions/thoughts on the matter?

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CK I have been considering a neo-tribal tattoo design for some time now.         don’t do that. CK excessive sunlight/uv, which is why you see alot of WWII era greenish arm CK tattoos now, but I’d never heard of them blurring.         blurring happens with cheap inks. it also happens with good inks, when the artist sucks. more specifically, putting the ink in too deeply can cause it to spread.         some artists have different methods: some put a white outline around blackwork, some leave some extra space between sections, et cetera. it’s your body. if you modify it, you’re taking a chance that it won’t come out how you like.         just design a blackwork that can be thickened later, & have it touched up later should it need to be. or, perhaps you’ll come around to seeing the blurring (which isn’t guaranteed) as natural aging, & you’ll adapt to it. you never know. CK Does anyone have any information/opinions/thoughts on the matter?         opinions? you rang? lish 29.1% / 32

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Thank you for your other information. However, CK I have been considering a neo-tribal tattoo design for some time now. don’t do that.

why?

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CK Thank you for your other information.         you betcha. CK I have been considering a neo-tribal tattoo design for some time now. don’t do that.

CK why?         because i’m a bigoted moron.         i was being off-the-cuff. all i really care is that people design their own blackwork, or go to an artist who can make the design work with their body. that’s the only purpose blackwork has & i’m sick of the whole "i liked the black swirly thing on the wall" method of choosing permanent adornment. lish 29.1% / 32

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CK I have been considering a neo-tribal tattoo design for some time now. don’t do that. CK why? because i’m a bigoted moron. i was being off-the-cuff. all i really care is that people design their own blackwork, or go to an artist who can make the design work with their body. that’s the only purpose blackwork has & i’m sick of the whole "i liked the black swirly thing on the wall" method of choosing permanent adornment.

*chuckles* At least you are honest about your reason And I can empathize with that stance. The reason I’ve been contemplating it for ’some time’ is to be sure I wanted it – and to make sure that my choice of design stayed stable. ie. That it wasn’t an impulsive desision or that I was giving in to a fad. After all, this thing isn’t ever coming off once it’s there! But I’ve wanted it, and _this_ specific design for a goodly long time now – I was just concerned with the blurring effect in 20 years or so because it _is_ permenant, regardless of it’s blurring.

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[snip]         because i’m a bigoted moron. [snip]          or go to an artist who can make the design work with their body. that’s the only purpose blackwork has & i’m sick of the whole "i liked the black swirly thing on the wall" method of choosing permanent adornment.

I hope you aren’t a moron – I happen to agree with you. While the intent is as documented below, commitment is not yet absolute (but I’m going to look a total idiot if I wimp out now). Posted here because I fell in lust with a tattoo, but the artist was fortunately out of town. And I was recovering nicely, then the above posting incited me to try to contact him again, and this time he wasn’t out of town. I saw some blackwork (upper arm extending over the joint onto the shoulder) about two weeks ago that blew me away, simply because it had been integrated onto the body in such a way as to compliment it, and move with/over the it as the joints and muscles flexed. Visually balanced art in fluid dynamic motion, artistically and technically outstanding. It made almost all other local tattoos that I have ever seen look tacky by comparison. It turned out (and I hope nobody lied to me!) that the work was done by the same artist I have already chosen because of multiple recommendations. And he was given almost full control over the design, placement and implementation. And it was done freehand. I contacted the artist earlier this week and asked him the worst case cost – for his choice of design, size and placement of some blackwork. While the cost made me blink, I have asked him to work on some ideas. Hopefully tomorrow (Friday), I will have some inkling of what I potentially may be getting onto myself. I have a gut feeling that this approach will ensure that the artist will do his damnedest to make sure that the tattoo is a good one – it will be a show piece of *his* skill and abilities. I’m just the canvas. You can call me a fucknut now. — Clive Olivier

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        because i’m a bigoted moron.

C I hope you aren’t a moron – I happen to agree with you. While the intent         of course i’m not a moron. i am, in fact, a genius. C You can call me a fucknut now.         for wanting blackwork that enhances the shape of your body? i won’t call you nasty names for that – i LIKE that. that’s the only acceptable use of blackwork. imo. lish 29.1% / 32

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[snip that's the only acceptable use of blackwork. imo.

We spoke as planned. He remembers the tattoo/person that set me off, and we seem to be on similar wavelengths. Which is good. Further discussion deferred to Monday - I want action *NOW* damn it! Which is bad 8^). -- Clive Olivier

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C Further discussion deferred to Monday - I want action *NOW* damn it! C Which is bad 8^).         keep us updated. lish 29.1% / 32

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   of course i'm not a moron. i am, in fact, a genius.

Apparently none of us were genius enough to know that. Lord knows I'm not a genius, having just failed yet another exam. Of course, before this exam I discovered that my newsserver is screwy and then I was shat upon by a bird. I hate this day. I hate my destiny. Sara -- saram AT wam.umd.edu *amputate the 'pinkies' to reply* http://sarasworld.istcool.de "Always drive on roads, not on people."  - Hyundai

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yodeled: [snip] : I want action *NOW* damn it! [snip] Hey, buddy, no personals!!  =] Cassie

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   of course i’m not a moron. i am, in fact, a genius.

S Apparently none of us were genius enough to know that.         it’s tough to guess IQs through the medium of usenet.         i was speaking strictly numerically. according to IQ, i’m a genius. that is all. suck it up. lish 29.1% / 32

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[dementia] Hey, buddy, no personals!!  =]

Sorry. I was desperate. To "Abendina", what you promised in your email is anatomically Chumley, one of your midgets seems to have escaped again. I’ll return her. Eventually. To the other 67 respondents, I’ll get round to you as time and vigour permits. — Clive Olivier

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       of course i’m not a moron. i am, in fact, a genius. S Apparently none of us were genius enough to know that.    it’s tough to guess IQs through the medium of usenet.    i was speaking strictly numerically. according to IQ, i’m a genius. that is all. suck it up.

well, since IQ’s are really only valid when you’re a child, are you trying to tell us something? heidi — RAB FAQS: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart RAB Welcome FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bodyart/netiquette            or: http://www.bmeworld.com/heidi/welcomefaq.html

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Just wanted you to know I’ve managed to find out where this Mick guy from your list works. (I suspect you misspelled his surname, but I have neither proof nor a better suggestion as he is seemingly only known as "Mick"). He works at his own place called "Mick Tattoo" (by someone from the German "T

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Anyone know if an internet site has examples of arm bands?

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Anyone know if an internet site has examples of arm bands?

Check out Pat Fish’s site: www.luckyfish.net   While you’re there, buy a t-shirt.  :) WyrdWoman www.mindspring.com/~amy.webb/

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there’s a one armed drummer in the band def leppard scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know if an internet site has examples of arm bands?

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Plenty of them—just do a web search Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know if an internet site has examples of arm bands?

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   there’s a one armed drummer in the band def leppard      Im, so glad i wasnt drinking anything when i read this.       TC,         Kelli

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www.thefall.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know if an internet site has examples of arm bands?

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I am compiling pictures, stories, discussions,etc.. about Celtic Tattoos, got a great tale you want to share?

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: I am compiling pictures, stories, discussions,etc.. about Celtic Tattoos, got a : great tale you want to share? I’m thinkin’ about Celtic Scorpio for my arm. When I do it, maybe I’ll make a photo and send you it. YELLKY —   Grzegorz "YELLKY" Labe                                 SHAKESBEER            WWW: http://www.cto.us.edu.pl/~labe

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I’ve got two from the Original Reverend Mad Jack,  Body Basics in Chicago.

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Of course I am curious to hear about your Celtic tattoo project. Doing them has been my favorite tattoo form for ten years, and I have many photographs of my work if you are working on a legitimate publication. Pat Fish, Tattoo Santa Barbara, PO Box 777, SB CA 93102-0777 USA

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Of course I am curious to hear about your Celtic tattoo project. Doing them has been my favorite tattoo form for ten years, and I have many photographs of my work if you are working on a legitimate publication. Pat Fish, Tattoo Santa Barbara, PO Box 777, SB CA 93102-0777 USA

Wow–Pat Fish is online and has delurked! Where’s Nick? Oh hell, I’ll do it: Congradulations (I suppose congr-adulations might work for some here)! —

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I am a good photographer in detroit mi. and am always looking for interesting tribal tattoo and celtic  to photograph if you ever know any people who are out my way and want to be photographed drop me a line I also travel to D.C. , cleveland, chicago, pittsburg, philly on a regular basis lewis

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Where can I get the celtic rune for warrior? Will Ralph Blum’s book help me? How do I become a wiccan? Will Glinda the good witch grant my wish? Will Mr.Blum help me? Runes are as less known than kanji, and less legible, just visit oxford press.

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Where can I get the celtic rune for warrior? Will Ralph Blum’s book help me? How do I become a wiccan? Will Glinda the good witch grant my wish? Will Mr.Blum help me? Runes are as less known than kanji, and less legible, just visit oxford press.

Fucking troll ….  http://www.google.com — http://www.REMOVEME.channel1.com/users/skaterat/killfile.html

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Where can I get the celtic rune for warrior? Will Ralph Blum’s book help me? How do I become a wiccan? Will Glinda the good witch grant my wish? Will Mr.Blum help me? Runes are as less known than kanji, and less legible, just visit oxford press. Fucking troll ….  http://www.google.com

*Yup Let’s ignore wat has little value… Corine

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If any of you out there is an artist that knows how to draw tribal I would like to ask you if you could be kind enough as to draw me a custom design I will have tattoo’ed on my chest. I have been to many tattoo shops and none of the owners do customs thus why I came here to ask for your help. What I was looking for is one of two things, first I might get a tribal dragon tattoo that would fit on my left breast (male) and go up to my sholder and maby a bit around my side. Another idea is if I could find a good looking tribal circle or something of that sort to go in the same place. If you are nice enough be very greatful, plus your artwork will go on forever.

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If any of you out there is an artist that knows how to draw tribal I would like to ask you if you could be kind enough as to draw me a custom design I will have tattoo’ed on my chest.

And how much are you willing to pay for the artists time and effort? — Andrzej Jan Taramina Chaeron Consulting Corporation Chaeron:        http://www.chaeron.com Sightings:      http://www.chaeron.com/sightings/ NOTE:           Remove Spamicide ™ before replying!!!

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